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Offline Capt McQuigg

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« Reply #5 on: March 19, 2013, 10:31:07 AM »
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:really-mad2: How about the faithful having a right to have the info in a language they understand!!!   :really-mad2:



The language is not the issue. The laity have their souls to save. There is little point getting annoyed with the Society. The priests will only ever inform the laity what they need to know and few in the pews ever question.


How could we know what we have a right to know without the original post being translated into English?


The faithfuls have the right to know
« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2013, 10:34:20 AM »
Here is a bad translation, can someone fluent please provide a more accurate one?


The faithful have the right to know

"The faithful have a legal right to know that the priests whom they are addressed are not the communion of a counterfeit Church, Pentecostal scalable and syncretistic. "(Open Letter to His Eminence Cardinal Gantin, Prefect of the Congregation for Bishops. Ecône, July 6, 1988 Fideliter No. 64. July-August 1988, pages 11-12.)

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This is not "bitter zeal" or "act with constant hardness" that indicates some liberalism in the Brotherhood. The facts are there and we can do nothing against the facts!
He is not to blame everything that does not agree with our ideal but it is to see and wonder about the fact that priests of the Society no longer act as the ideal of Brotherhood. Conduct doctrine as excellent or above the zeal of such prior can hide this reality before our eyes, but it is a fact qu'influencés by examples and words of our Superior General, some colleagues while having the label "Society of St. Pius X," behave in practice as rallied, even before rallying to the conciliar Church.

The faithful have a right to know that a strict prior, during a session of Theology, remarked that he could not say: "Benedict XVI is a modernist." It also gave prior to a colleague no longer, in conscience, to his faithful pray for "the conversion of Rome and the bishops" , which however is one for those of the Fraternity (Cor Unum No. 35).

The faithful have a right to know that strict two priors were assigned to a District Superior important that they were ready to celebrate Mass Paul VI (first gun). That joins the notes of Bishop Fellay to Cardinal Cañizares after visiting an abbey "Novus Ordo" near Florence:

"If Archbishop Lefebvre saw the celebration of the Mass as it was happening there, he would not have taken the steps it has taken. '

Is it bitter zeal to be shocked these reactions?
Cardinals Ottaviani and Bacci would they not approved "short critical review", at the invitation of Archbishop Lefebvre, if they had seen "the celebration of the Mass as it was happening there? "

The faithful have a right to know that strict Kansas City, a priest reprimanded a faithful, Mr. B. to whom we owe the fact, because he attacked the "Novus Ordo". Our priest told him: "we no longer talk like that now" .

The faithful have a right to know that strict Post Falls, a prior said recently that the role of the Brotherhood was not Vatican II fight but to ensure the sanctification of priests, as if these two duties could s' object.

The faithful have a right to know that strict Chartres, a prior, in an attempt to justify the policy of Bishop Fellay, has sought to convince a colleague that the beatification of John Paul II was not so serious as 'c' is the man who is exalted " and not its doctrine and initiative of Assisi III was not so outrageous as "that Benedict has invited atheists show that it is not a religious meeting. " Is that bitter zeal to be outraged about these?

The faithful have a right to know that in strict Florida, has prevented a prior order books against Vatican II to provide. Publicly denounced, he had, angry, back on his choice and fill the shelves of these books. The same miracle took place in the catalog of the Angelus Press thanks to the vigilance of the priests of the Fraternity of the Strict Observance. Thus, the Council'' J'Accuse'' and a booklet on the jurisdiction of substitution, officially exhausted, reappeared in the catalog.

The faithful have a right to know that the strict District Superior of the United States asked the Angelus Press abandon the English publication of'' no'' No If so and ensured, at the annual Kansas City , that speakers undergo changes imposed by the new line of Bishop Fellay. Father Rostand also requested that removes all traces of Bishop Williamson Winona seminary that still broadcast his sermons, his lectures and articles. Strange attitude as Bishop Fellay himself said to have "Williamson of admiration for his favorite geniuses in the fight against Vatican II" ...

The faithful have a legal right to know the Father Cyprian, however Barroux survivor, passing through Denver tried to prove that the situation sermon in the official Church was beginning to settle, about which God thank you, horrified the Abbot of the Brotherhood now.

The faithful have a legal right to know that the book of Father Troadec'' on the'' Catholic family contains many quotes "acceptable" Paul VI, John Paul II, Benedict XVI. But unfortunately forgot to report that Benedict XVI, 15 December 2010, received at the Vatican perverse "gαy Circus" to realize their show. Because as said St. Pius X, in a modernist, a page is Catholic but the following is a rationalist. Catholic page proves nothing in those people whose intelligence is corrupt.

The faithful have a right to know that strict Brignoles holder has a sister class to pray "our good pope resign" and worried that in families we can say that the pope was not good while it is he who "has liberalized the Mass" . This confused one of his students as a good mother told him earlier that Pope "taught errors" .

The faithful have a legal right to know that is to say, today, that with Archbishop Lefebvre: "To say'' out'' of the visible Church is mistaken in equating official Church and Church visible " means, for many executives, sedevacantism which for them represent the sin of sins when it is a hypothesis which Archbishop Lefebvre could be a "day confirmed by the Church. Because it has serious arguments for it. "
How all these positions objectively contrary to the line and to the principles of Brotherhood could they spread among its members if it is only the example came from above?

Indeed, the faithful have a strict right to know that Saint-Nicolas to the priors of France, November 9, 2012, a colleague asked Bishop Fellay clarification of rumors circulating as what it was on June 13 in Rome to sign. Our Superior General denied that such signature was possible - because it is not in the "how to" - it would have "reported the text to study ..." and then he explained that "the entire agreement would have been three times .... " abbots Lorans However, Nély, Pfluger, at the time and many people have entrusted with joy June 13 Bishop Fellay went to Rome to sign. Bishop Galaretta itself but with sadness and apprehension, June 15, confided to a colleague await the announcement of the signing radio dice 13 evening, because "he [Bishop Fellay] went to Rome to sign" .

The faithful have a right to know that strict District Superior of Belgium and Switzerland, abbots and Wailliez Wuilloud before June 13, 2012, made the trip with the express District Superior of Spain in order to convince two days of the merits of the political rallying Bishop Fellay. And at the same time, the Secretary-General telephoned Superior England to reproach the remarks during a private conversation, but whose remarks were relayed to Menzingen. Father Thouvenot not forgotten during this telephone conversation to discuss the possibility of its superior exclusion of the Chapter.

The faithful have a right to know that strict for Father Pfluger "It is not only the state of the post-conciliar Church is imperfect, so is ours" (October 2012). And in November 2012, Bishop Fellay told a colleague that:
1) he wanted a canonical recognition,
2) he was in complete agreement with Father Pfluger.

The faithful have a right to know that strict Father Schmidberger, who worked more than a month in Rome on the MoU also think the same thing:

"The discussions have revealed a weakness in our ranks. We must have the humility to admit. So we also experienced a process of clarification inside. We do not agree with those who reject any discussion with Rome. '

The District Superior of Germany seems not to agree with Archbishop Lefebvre ending relations with Rome in these terms:

"If you do not accept the doctrine of your predecessors, it is unnecessary to speak. As you will not have agreed to reform the council, considering the doctrine of the popes who preceded you, there is no dialogue possible. It is useless. " (Fideliter September-October 1988).

It is true that the Brotherhood does not seek its majority rallying but the Ecclesia Dei commission which visited the abbot Nély end of December 2012, has said it takes "patience, serenity, perseverance, and confidence " . The "reconciliation" is a matter of "time" . It would be good if our superiors tell us that it is not a matter of time, but a matter of principle. But require that today is considered bitter zeal.

The faithful have a right to know that strict to prevent judge, no fear or ridicule or sophistry. A prior, France, tried to convince his followers that they could not make a judgment as an act of understanding which establishes the truth of a thing [the double language of Bishop Fellay] based on a treaty St. Thomas speaking as an act of judgment, but the judge dispensing justice. We also remind the faithful that "Our Lord was merciful, patient, condescending" very imperfect with his apostles, he has "taken, but in a kind, patient and gentle, but firm at the same time. " But this is still confused and despise is "is not no" of Our Lord.

The faithful have a right to know that strict when asked if the prior denial of ordination of Dominicans and Capuchins was related to our relationship Roman Bishop Fellay said:

"It's a lack of self-confidence I felt vis-à-vis these communities ... and this is so serious to order a priest, I preferred to wait ..." (November 9, 2012 in Paris).

To measure the grotesque and the beautiful inhumanity of this response, the faithful should know that the Capuchin deacons were retired with the deacons of the Brotherhood when they meant the rejection of the order. They can now compare this reaction to Bishop Fellay friends and community reaction Lefebvre subjected to pressure Roman

"You know that the nuncio came to request that I do not ordinations, so of course I said: it is not ten days ordinations that can do such a thing, it is not possible . Nay, humanly speaking. These young priests worked for five years to prepare for ordination, and ten days after their ordination, so that all parents are willing to come, as the first masses are advertised everywhere, it is at this time then they ask me not to ordinations. Ordinations are legitimate. These seminarians who have studied regularly, have a natural right to be the result of preparation they have done. " (COSPEC 32A)

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"We do not play with words. The current situation of the Church demand our unequivocal and courageous witness to the Catholic cause. Maneuvers dubious diplomacy, contrary to law and the simplicity of the Gospel, can only harm to our great cause. "
(Franz Schmidberger, May 13, 1985)

Governance ambiguous Bishop Fellay has undoubtedly weakened the Brotherhood. Gone is the time where the fraternity and charity so right, said:

"So when we look at things closely, we see that there is a clique of liberals, modernists, who all know each other and took power. If you read the book by Cardinal Ratzinger Christian Faith'''' yesterday and today, we discover a notion of faith, completely acatholique. It is even simply heretical. " (Franz Schmidberger, Superior General of the Priestly Fraternity of Saint Pius X. Fideliter No. 69. May-June 1989. Pages 6-7)

But to say that today will be considered as bitter zeal.

Kyrie eleison.




The faithfuls have the right to know
« Reply #7 on: March 19, 2013, 10:38:12 AM »
Quote from: Capt McQuigg
Quote from: John Grace
Quote from: Capt McQuigg
:really-mad2: How about the faithful having a right to have the info in a language they understand!!!   :really-mad2:



The language is not the issue. The laity have their souls to save. There is little point getting annoyed with the Society. The priests will only ever inform the laity what they need to know and few in the pews ever question.


How could we know what we have a right to know without the original post being translated into English?



A reminder for you, Capt. Ignore the crazy people, the wackos. the rumour mongers, the trouble makers. Dr Krah will sort out these crazy people. Long live the Church of Bishop Fellay.

Offline Capt McQuigg

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« Reply #8 on: March 19, 2013, 10:50:11 AM »
Quote from: John Grace
Quote from: Capt McQuigg
Quote from: John Grace
Quote from: Capt McQuigg
:really-mad2: How about the faithful having a right to have the info in a language they understand!!!   :really-mad2:



The language is not the issue. The laity have their souls to save. There is little point getting annoyed with the Society. The priests will only ever inform the laity what they need to know and few in the pews ever question.


How could we know what we have a right to know without the original post being translated into English?



A reminder for you, Capt. Ignore the crazy people, the wackos. the rumour mongers, the trouble makers. Dr Krah will sort out these crazy people. Long live the Church of Bishop Fellay.


It's not like that, John Grace - I just wanted someone to translate it for me.

 

The faithfuls have the right to know
« Reply #9 on: March 19, 2013, 11:51:48 AM »
Quote from: Capt McQuigg
Quote from: John Grace
Quote from: Capt McQuigg
Quote from: John Grace
Quote from: Capt McQuigg
:really-mad2: How about the faithful having a right to have the info in a language they understand!!!   :really-mad2:



The language is not the issue. The laity have their souls to save. There is little point getting annoyed with the Society. The priests will only ever inform the laity what they need to know and few in the pews ever question.


How could we know what we have a right to know without the original post being translated into English?



A reminder for you, Capt. Ignore the crazy people, the wackos. the rumour mongers, the trouble makers. Dr Krah will sort out these crazy people. Long live the Church of Bishop Fellay.


It's not like that, John Grace - I just wanted someone to translate it for me.

 


Indeed. Though with respect you are hardly going to lose sleep over the article? Faithful attending the Society are a mixed bag of people.All you can really do for those who want a deal is smile at them.

We will soon know the wheat from the chaff in Ireland when Bishop Fellay visits. Same in England.