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“My presence here at this ceremony is a matter of conscience: it is the duty of a profession of the Catholic Faith before the entire Church... St. Thomas Aquinas teaches that there is no obligation to make a public profession of Faith in every circuмstance, but when the Faith is in danger it is urgent to profess it, even at the risk of one’s life. This is the situation in which we find ourselves.”
    
(Bp. de Castro Mayer, 30th June 1988)

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Bp. de Castro Mayer had a break with Dr. Plineo of TFP and determined that he was "anti-clerical'.

But the American TFP. as a lay apostolate, has publicly processed the Faith annually in the form of Rosary rallies. exceeding 22,000 locations.

Far, far in excess of anything the SSPX has ever done.  The fact is. it is the Catholic layman who is responsible for carrying the Banner of the Faith.
"Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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Bp. de Castro Mayer had a break with Dr. Plineo of TFP and determined that he was "anti-clerical'.

But the American TFP. as a lay apostolate, has publicly processed the Faith annually in the form of Rosary rallies. exceeding 22,000 locations.

Far, far in excess of anything the SSPX has ever done.  The fact is. it is the Catholic layman who is responsible for carrying the Banner of the Faith.


Every Mass said in good standing is the most supreme profession of Faith.

So in all the years the SSPX and its allies said Masses, up until they decided to jump in with the Modernists, was a profession of Faith.

TFP are a world in unto themselves. Very bizarre, and tell their members it's ok to attend the novus ordo. (On a regular basis, and not just some throwaway remark under pressure. )

The Church cannot survive without clergy.

The one, simple job of a Catholic layperson who realizes the Crises in the Church, is to seek out the remnant clergy, and to align themselves, at least spiritually with them. To sanctify the Sunday when they cannot get Mass on Sunday, and to actively stay in contact with Resistance (remnant) clergy. 

TFP have made Plineo their practical Pope. They are therefore the definition of a cult, and should be avoided in matters of religion. Though the produce excellent material on modesty, etc. etc.

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https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/the-history-of-bishop-castro-mayer-and-his-diocese/msg780572/#msg780572

Reply #8 has a letter from +Castro Mayer, showing his position Vis a vis Plineo... ie heretical.
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Every Mass said in good standing is the most supreme profession of Faith.

So in all the years the SSPX and its allies said Masses, up until they decided to jump in with the Modernists, was a profession of Faith.

TFP are a world in unto themselves. Very bizarre, and tell their members it's ok to attend the novus ordo. (On a regular basis, and not just some throwaway remark under pressure. )

The Church cannot survive without clergy.

The one, simple job of a Catholic layperson who realizes the Crises in the Church, is to seek out the remnant clergy, and to align themselves, at least spiritually with them. To sanctify the Sunday when they cannot get Mass on Sunday, and to actively stay in contact with Resistance (remnant) clergy.

TFP have made Plineo their practical Pope. They are therefore the definition of a cult, and should be avoided in matters of religion. Though the produce excellent material on modesty, etc. etc.

1. Not the 1962 Bugnini/Montini Mass.

2. Not arguing the validity of those Masses,
but that they are tainted with the acceptance of newRome's butchery of Holy Week. The compromised SSPX and their off shoots will never acknowledge that Pope Paul VI was a Luciferian.

3. The TFP is now Latin Mass. anti- Novus ordo Missae and they called out Francis as a heretic.

4. The clergy provides the Sacraments but doesn't fight on the front lines.
The clergy are unwilling to take the lead. 
The SSPX leadership  curries favor with newChurch while the SSPX Resistance leaders wring their hands, afraid to provide Sacraments publicly.

5. The SSPX Resistance has no monopoly on the Remnant Catholic Church, as they believe.

6. You 're talking out of both sides of your mouth on the TFP.  Their apostolate materials are solidly Catholic. .They understand the"Revolution" like no other Catholic organization and they rally Catholics to publicly fight it.
Dr. Plineo is unrivaled in his writings on the world Revolutionary movement (WRM)
"Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/the-history-of-bishop-castro-mayer-and-his-diocese/msg780572/#msg780572

Reply #8 has a letter from +Castro Mayer, showing his position Vis a vis Plineo... ie heretical.

Dr. Plineo wouldn't wait for Catholic clergy  to lead the fight on the liberation theology communists who had infiltrated the Brazilian Catholic Church.  Those complacent prelates did nothing and succuмbed to the modernist ravages. 

As for the brainwashing cult charges, anyone who knows the TFP understands that's bunk.

Bp. de Castro Mayer was wrong about the TFP as Pope Pius XI was wrong about the Cristeros. 
 
Clerical suppression lay Catholic action is the sin our enemies love.

"Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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4.SSPX Resistance leaders wring their hands, afraid to provide Sacraments publicly.

Can you please explain and prove this point for us?


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Bishop Antonio de Castro Mayer’s
Defense of Plinio Corrêa de Oliveira

After we first announced the publication of Plinio Corrêa de Oliveira: Prophet of the Reign of Mary by Roberto de Mattei, we received an email from a priest of the Society of St. Pius X, mentioned in a previous article. His email referred to a disagreement that Bishop Antonio de Castro Mayer had with Dr. Corrêa de Oliveira, after having supported his work for more than four decades. The reasons behind this disagreement are also those of some members of the FSSPX, and therefore we can better understand them by turning to Bishop Bernard Tissier de Mallerais of the FSSPX, who wrote two articles for The Angelus on Catholic Action. The second article, of October 2011, began with the suggestion that Bishop de Castro Mayer interpreted the lay apostolate of Catholic Action in a certain way to counter “deviations of the TFP.” However, Roberto de Mattei, in his earlier work Plinio Corrêa de Oliveira: Crusader of the 20th Century, points out that when Dr. Corrêa de Oliveira and members of the TFP went to Rome during the first session of the Council, where they assisted Archbishop Lefebvre, Bishop de Castro Mayer, and other like-minded bishops, they shipped trunks of literature by sea, and in particular Bishop de Castro Mayer’s 1953 Pastoral Letter on Problems of the Modern Apostolate, and Dr. Plinio’s book Revolution and Counter-Revolution.
The doctrinal position that Bishop de Castro Mayer took in that pastoral letter was identical to that of Dr. Plinio. The disagreement only came later. To understand how the disagreement developed, and in the context of the articles of Bishop Tissier to Mallerais, we must focus on the very different circuмstances that the Church faced in Bishop Tissier de Mallerais’ native France, on one hand, and in Brazil, on the other hand. French Catholics had become divided over the condemnation of the movement Action Française by Pope Pius XI, the same pope who introduced the specific form of Catholic Action that Bishop Tissier de Mallerais was critically analyzing. Some saw Pius XI’s Catholic Action as being at odds with what they believed was a more Catholic political orientation within the ranks of Action Française.
Both Canon de Castro Mayer, as Vicar General of the archdiocese of São Paulo and General Assistant of Catholic Action, and Dr. Plinio, as the lay head of Catholic Action in the archdiocese, exercised their functions in full harmony with the doctrine of Catholic Action being taught by Pius XI at the time. But Dr. Plinio saw that progressive Catholics were introducing ideas into Catholic Action that were incompatible with traditional Catholic teaching, and he confronted those errors in his 1943 book In Defense of Catholic Action, with the full support of Canon de Castro Mayer. In this respect the Brazilian traditionalists shared some of the same concerns as French traditionalist Catholics, but they approached the crisis in a very different way.
One of the fundamental errors that progressives were introducing into Catholic Action in Brazil was the blurring of the distinction between the priesthood and the laity. For this reason Dr. Plinio’s book was not only a defense of the lay apostolate according to the mind of the Church, but also a defense of the priesthood and the hierarchical nature of the Church. Related to this error, which the book refuted, was another error that advocated a false understanding of the liturgy and general Catholic piety. It promoted an attitude that Dr. Plinio referred to as “liturgism,” the thinking that mere participation in the liturgy was sufficient for progress in the spiritual life, and that traditional practices of asceticism, and various private devotions, were no longer necessary.
Even though Dr. Plinio’s book was published with a preface by the papal nuncio to Brazil, it met with opposition from some of the Brazilian bishops. When he and his associates were accused of opposing episcopal authority as a result, it was Canon de Castro Mayer who came to their defense, by pointing out that bishops acting individually are not infallible. But that did not stop the opposition from gaining momentum, and soon both Canon de Castro Mayer and Dr. Plinio were removed from their positions in Catholic Action. It was a temporary setback for the traditional Catholics in Brazil. 
However, the Vatican Secretariat of State sent a letter praising Dr. Plinio’s book. Canon de Castro Mayer, along with another priest closely associated with them in the controversy, Father Geraldo de Proença Sigaud, were both made bishops by Pope Pius XII. Furthermore, Pius XII issued his encyclical Mediator Dei, containing points of doctrine that clearly vindicated the positions taken by Dr. Plinio in his book, and Pius XII also issued the apostolic constitution Bis Saeculari, on Catholic Action and the Sodalities of Our Lady, further strengthening the position that had been taken by the two new Brazilian bishops and Dr. Plinio.
On these points of doctrine, Bishop de Castro Mayer and Plinio Corrêa de Oliveira were completely in agreement. And their collaboration was so manifest during the Second Vatican Council, where they worked together to defend traditional doctrine against the influences of the new theology, that Archbishop Lefebvre in one of his books, They Have Uncrowned Him, acknowledged the assistance that the traditionalist bishops had received from the TFP. How then did a dispute arise a decade and a half later, between some members of the traditionalist clergy and the TFP, that led Bishop de Castro Mayer to end his support for Dr. Corrêa de Oliveira? The answer lies in the development of their understanding of a point of Catholic doctrine on which they had essentially agreed. Pius XII’s encyclical Mediator Dei emphasized the central importance of the Church’s liturgy in the spiritual lives of Catholics. At the same time he opposed the misconception that would reduce this spiritual life to the mere physical participation in the Mass and in the reception of the Sacraments. The spiritual lives of Catholics require the full living of the Catholic life, with other practices of piety and asceticism, and the fulfillment of the duties of one’s state in life.
From these two principles – the importance of liturgical practices on one hand, and the practice of other works of piety and asceticism – two distinct schools of spirituality developed among traditionalist Catholics through the course of the present crisis. The first was a priestly spirituality, led by the Society of St. Pius X, which emphasizes that all graces depend upon the Sacrifice of the Mass, as offered by the priest. The second was what Roberto de Mattei, in Part II of his book, calls the “Spiritual School” of Plinio Corrêa de Oliveira, a spirituality proper to the laymen who work to defend a sacral Christian Civilization, as defined by the Popes of Catholic Action from St. Pius X to Pius XII. The school of spirituality represented by Plinio Corrêa de Oliveira is the subject not only of Part II specifically, but of the entire book, a spirituality which at times has been the object of suspicion among certain members of the traditionalist clergy, leading some to doubt the orthodoxy of Dr. Plinio and the TFP that he founded. Prof. de Mattei’s comprehensive treatment, however, puts these fears to rest, for the book fully accomplishes the goal that the author set out to achieve – that of showing that Dr. Plinio’s life and work represented a total devotion to and defense of Catholic Tradition.
 

Plinio Corrêa de Oliveira:

Prophet of the Reign of Mary


By Roberto de Mattei

Preface by Bishop Athanasius Schneider

2019 xii 334 pages / sewn hardback $20.00 #5506

"Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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Can you please explain and prove this point for us?

Since the SSPX Resistance started, when Bp. Williamson had been expelled from the Society in 2012, Sacraments were given on irregular schedule.

While there existed a host of independent chapels in need of Confirmations. this was not supplied on a regular basis. 


From 2012 to now. many such chapels capitulated to the persuasion and pressure of the SSPX to yield their property titles and control to them.

In the latter years of BP. Williamson's life, after he had consecrated an American Bishop, we were hopeful of some regional visitations and regular Sacraments.  This didn't happen.

 Confirmations are pretty much by private arrangement and for those living in the Southeast it meant a 500+ mile drive.

One explanation given for this was the fear that the Fr. Joe Pfeiffer crowd would crash the event.  In one case, Confirmations were given to Fr. Bitzer's faithful and the Pfeiffer propaganda was that the Resistance was aligned with Feeneyites. 

As the independent chapels shrunk, capitulated or died on the vine. the only source for regular Sacraments such as Confirmations. was the SSPX.  Their Sacraments were publicly announced a few times per year.

As for Holy Orders. well that was very private and it culminatied with the last years of +W's life as being clandestine events.

The last four Consecrations, including ArchBishop Vigano were secretly done.

One must ask, if you believe the Catholic Faith is yours and you are part of the Light of the Truth, why do you hide it?
"Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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THIS ^^^

NOBODY except Father Feeney was fighting Vatican II before it happened, and NOBODY saw it coming.  On the surface everybody thought that the Church was doing great, with churches, schools, monasteries, and convents going up left and right, where they almost didn't know what to do with all the vocations ... but Father Feeney knew that something was wrong.

He reflected and prayed ... and he figured it out, AND even with the benefit of hindsight, which is 20/20, 99% of Trad clergy STILL haven't figured out the actual theological root cause of the Crisis.

Father Feeney stood ALONE, without any support from any bishop ... whereas at least +Lefebvre had +de Castro Mayer and many, many priests.

What an incredible faith it takes to hold to it with such certainty when you're alone.  If I had been in that position, standing alon, with nobody but some laymen rallying to my side in support of me, I probably would have begun to falter, wondering whether it was possible that all these people could be wrong, while I am right, especially when the hierarchy LOOKED very normal.  It's easy now within a collapse like this, but back then?  Father Feeney was a giant.


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TFP really have been subject to a smear campaign.  I differ with them on many points, but to denounce them for anti-clericalism?  Well, when 99.9999% of the "clergy" went apostate after the Council, had abandoned the sheep to the wolves, and in fact fed poison to the sheep by way of their heresies, well, yeah, I could understand a bit of anti-clericalism, except that it's an anti-clericalism rooted in practical reality and not in principle, since all of them love the Mass and the Sacraments.

We see 99% of the modern Trad clergy acting like a bunch of babies, fighing over stupidity, acting as if they were asleep during Logic 101 class but then pontificating to everyone as if they were popes and attempting to impose their (often false) positions on the faithful, breaking up families due to their nonsense, fighting over collection basket revenue and money, acting like jerks (like most of the current SSPX leadershp), and continuing to "excommunicate" those such as teh much-maligned "Feeneyites" who actually understand the theology behind the Crisis far better than they do, or others who come to different conclusions on subjects that are far from dogmatically decided by the Church ... they still do themselves no favors.

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THIS ^^^

NOBODY except Father Feeney was fighting Vatican II before it happened, and NOBODY saw it coming.  On the surface everybody thought that the Church was doing great, with churches, schools, monasteries, and convents going up left and right, where they almost didn't know what to do with all the vocations ... but Father Feeney knew that something was wrong.

He reflected and prayed ... and he figured it out, AND even with the benefit of hindsight, which is 20/20, 99% of Trad clergy STILL haven't figured out the actual theological root cause of the Crisis.

Father Feeney stood ALONE, without any support from any bishop ... whereas at least +Lefebvre had +de Castro Mayer and many, many priests.

What an incredible faith it takes to hold to it with such certainty when you're alone.  If I had been in that position, standing alon, with nobody but some laymen rallying to my side in support of me, I probably would have begun to falter, wondering whether it was possible that all these people could be wrong, while I am right, especially when the hierarchy LOOKED very normal.  It's easy now within a collapse like this, but back then?  Father Feeney was a giant.
I agree that the crisis began because men began to water down revealed truth, especially the dogma that outside the Church there is no salvation. Heaven then offered a remedy through Fatima. Men refused the remedy. The culmination was Vatican II.




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Fr. Feeney walked so that we could run :incense:
I'd bet there are more Catholics now who truly believe there is no salvation outside the Church then there were in the first half of the 20th century
John 15:19  If you had been of the world, the world would love its own: but because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

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As for the brainwashing cult charges, anyone who knows the TFP understands that's bunk.

Those were in fact smear jobs, much of which originated with the so-called "Heralds of the Gospel", their mortal enemies in Brazil who did end up taking over nearly all of their property in Brazil.  That stupid Litany to Plinio's Mom is obviously just a hilarious parody written by some students who had gotten a bit bored, very similar to some literary efforts my brothers and I produced in our youth mocking the Novus Ordo.

... just a small excerpt.  Only a total moron wouldn't see through that half of these are jabs against the types of typics that Dr. Plinio like to speak about, along with the suggestion that he was a "Momma's Boy".
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Mother of Dr. Plinio, pray for us.
Mother of the Doctor of the Church, pray for us.
Mother of our Father, pray for us.
Mother of the Ineffable, pray for us.
Mother of us all, pray for us.
Mother of the Axiological Principle, pray for us.
Mother of the Temperament of Synthesis, pray for us.
Mother of all purity, pray for us.
Mother of the Transphere, pray for us.
Mother of Seriousness, pray for us.
Mother of the Counter-Revolution, pray for us.
Restorer of Temperaments, pray for us.
Fountain of Light, pray for us.
Generator of Innocence, pray for us.
Consolation of Sr.. Dr. Plinio, pray for us.
Mediatrix of the Grand Return, pray for us.
Mediatrix of all our graces, pray for us.
Dawn of the Reign of Mary, pray for us.
Dona Lucilia of the Smile, pray for us.
Dona Lucilia of the Flashes, pray for us.
Flower more beautiful than all, pray for us.
Our refuge, pray for us.
Our consoler, pray for us.
Our succor in the Bagarre, pray for us.
Cause of our perseverance, pray for us.
Vessel of logic, pray for us.
Vessel of the Metaphysical, pray for us.
Martyr of isolation, pray for us.
Queen of serene suffering, pray for us.
Queen of the ‘jeitinho,’ pray for us.
Queen of Serenity, pray for us.


:laugh1: :laugh2: :laugh1:

Clearly the work of some clever, bored, and mischievous young students ... and yet Dr. Plinio rightly banned it, since it does cross the line a bit by creating a parody of a Litany.