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Offline Ladislaus

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Fr. Feeney walked so that we could run :incense:
I'd bet there are more Catholics now who truly believe there is no salvation outside the Church then there were in the first half of the 20th century

Father Feeney wrote to every bishop in the world before Vatican II asking for their support in reaffirming EENS dogma, and he got only a couple of (rather lukewarm) responses.  And this was LONG BEFORE the notion of "Baptism of Desire" over which the Trad clergy demonize him, turning it into a super-dogma, considering its denial worse than the heresies of Bergoglio even ... long before BoD had even been a twinkle in Father Feeney's eyes.  This was when the likes of +Cushing were promoted to the highest offices in the Church, men who said things like "No salvation outside the Church?  Nonsense.  Nobody's gonna tell me that Christ came to die for any select group."  And the responses of his Jesuit Superiors were even worse, if you can believe it.  At one point the powerful Kennedy clan set out to "get him", and the pressure they exerted was one reason +Cushing came down on Father Feeney.  There was ABSOLUTELY RAMPANT religious indifferentism EVERYWHERE.  Vatican II did not drop out of the sky where suddenly and without warning, the strong faith of hundreds of millions simply collapse without reason.  No, the Church had taken on the the aspect of a beautiful building that, unbeknowns to all, except Father Feeney, despite the appearances, was in fact termite-infested and eaten out with dry rot beneath the surface, rendering its collapse inevitable.  For all The Nine and some others put Pius XII on a pedestal, during his very lengthy reign, he appointed nearly every single bishops who brought us Vatican II.  Don't tell me that in every diocese in the world you couldn't find an orthodox Traditionalist priest who could have been promoted to bishop.  Instead it was the organizers, building builders, and fund raisers, who didn't even know so much as a lick of theology, which is why they had to bring their "periti" with them to the Council.  If the Pope has ONE JOB, it's to appoint good bishops.  If he did nothing else, issued no Encyclicals, gave no interminably long-winded speeches to midwives, never even publicly had Mass ... if he merely appointed good priests to be bishops, his job was well done.  But despite protests like (allegedly) "after me, the Deluge" ... how about "because of me, the Deluge"?  So, the likes of Father Feeney were persecuted, while +Cushings were made Cardinals and bishops.  Had Pius XII backed Fr. Feeney on EENS, I'm sure Father would have backed down even on BoD, which he quite clearly stated was merely his opinion ... and yet he realized quite well that the enemies of EENS were using BoD as THE weapons with which to wreck the dogma.  At the very least, the FIRST thing a Pope needs to do after this Crisis is the ban any and all discussion of BoD.  I would do that immediately, right out of the gate, reaffirming EENS dogma, and then would study whether or not to formally condemn the opinion, possibly even with the note of heresy, but at least as harmful to faith and pernicious.  BoD speculation does zero good whatsoever, but can result in incalculable harm, as we have seen, since it's single-handedly responsible for this Crisis.  WITHOUT BOD THERE IS NO VATICAN II AND COULD NEVER HAVE BEEN A VATICAN II.  Just think about that, Trads.  If BoD had been condemned and forbidden, there was absolutely no way the Modernists could have developed the Vatican II ecclesiology, which is in fact at the core of all the V2 errors.

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Father Feeney wrote to every bishop in the world before Vatican II asking for their support in reaffirming EENS dogma, and he got only a couple of (rather lukewarm) responses.  And this was LONG BEFORE the notion of "Baptism of Desire" over which the Trad clergy demonize him, turning it into a super-dogma, considering its denial worse than the heresies of Bergoglio even ... long before BoD had even been a twinkle in Father Feeney's eyes.  This was when the likes of +Cushing were promoted to the highest offices in the Church, men who said things like "No salvation outside the Church?  Nonsense.  Nobody's gonna tell me that Christ came to die for any select group."  And the responses of his Jesuit Superiors were even worse, if you can believe it.  At one point the powerful Kennedy clan set out to "get him", and the pressure they exerted was one reason +Cushing came down on Father Feeney.  There was ABSOLUTELY RAMPANT religious indifferentism EVERYWHERE.  Vatican II did not drop out of the sky where suddenly and without warning, the strong faith of hundreds of millions simply collapse without reason.  No, the Church had taken on the the aspect of a beautiful building that, unbeknowns to all, except Father Feeney, despite the appearances, was in fact termite-infested and eaten out with dry rot beneath the surface, rendering its collapse inevitable.  For all The Nine and some others put Pius XII on a pedestal, during his very lengthy reign, he appointed nearly every single bishops who brought us Vatican II.  Don't tell me that in every diocese in the world you couldn't find an orthodox Traditionalist priest who could have been promoted to bishop.  Instead it was the organizers, building builders, and fund raisers, who didn't even know so much as a lick of theology, which is why they had to bring their "periti" with them to the Council.  If the Pope has ONE JOB, it's to appoint good bishops.  If he did nothing else, issued no Encyclicals, gave no interminably long-winded speeches to midwives, never even publicly had Mass ... if he merely appointed good priests to be bishops, his job was well done.  But despite protests like (allegedly) "after me, the Deluge" ... how about "because of me, the Deluge"?  So, the likes of Father Feeney were persecuted, while +Cushings were made Cardinals and bishops.  Had Pius XII backed Fr. Feeney on EENS, I'm sure Father would have backed down even on BoD, which he quite clearly stated was merely his opinion ... and yet he realized quite well that the enemies of EENS were using BoD as THE weapons with which to wreck the dogma.  At the very least, the FIRST thing a Pope needs to do after this Crisis is the ban any and all discussion of BoD.  I would do that immediately, right out of the gate, reaffirming EENS dogma, and then would study whether or not to formally condemn the opinion, possibly even with the note of heresy, but at least as harmful to faith and pernicious.  BoD speculation does zero good whatsoever, but can result in incalculable harm, as we have seen, since it's single-handedly responsible for this Crisis.  WITHOUT BOD THERE IS NO VATICAN II AND COULD NEVER HAVE BEEN A VATICAN II.  Just think about that, Trads.  If BoD had been condemned and forbidden, there was absolutely no way the Modernists could have developed the Vatican II ecclesiology, which is in fact at the core of all the V2 errors.
Great post
 Regarding the Kennedys, I believe it was Bobby Kennedy who, while attending one of Fr. Feeney's lectures, heard Fr. preach the truth regarding EENS and stormed out because he had Prot friends or something. ("This saying is hard, and who can hear it?") Went and told his dad who then got Cushing involved. Really incredible to think that the 'Catholic' Kennedy Clan  had a large role to play in the persecution of the one priest willing to publicly defend the EENS Dogma

I do hope that PPXII was at least mostly unaware of the situation, for his sake. AFAIK, there isn't any public statement of his regarding Fr. Feeney.
I don't think Protocol 122/49 (which was not published in the AAS and which PXII didn't write) was publicly released until maybe 1952..or that might have just been the English translation, not sure. PXII must have been in poor health by that time, right? It would just be a shame if he knew about what was going on and didn't do anything.
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THIS ^^^

NOBODY except Father Feeney was fighting Vatican II before it happened, and NOBODY saw it coming.  On the surface everybody thought that the Church was doing great, with churches, schools, monasteries, and convents going up left and right, where they almost didn't know what to do with all the vocations ... but Father Feeney knew that something was wrong.

He reflected and prayed ... and he figured it out, AND even with the benefit of hindsight, which is 20/20, 99% of Trad clergy STILL haven't figured out the actual theological root cause of the Crisis.

Father Feeney stood ALONE, without any support from any bishop ... whereas at least +Lefebvre had +de Castro Mayer and many, many priests.

What an incredible faith it takes to hold to it with such certainty when you're alone.  If I had been in that position, standing alon, with nobody but some laymen rallying to my side in support of me, I probably would have begun to falter, wondering whether it was possible that all these people could be wrong, while I am right, especially when the hierarchy LOOKED very normal.  It's easy now within a collapse like this, but back then?  Father Feeney was a giant.
Do you think that if Fr Feeney has gone to his illegal trial things would have turned out better? (Like how Christ was unjustly tried but grace could have been obtained and his example would have been stronger for others?)

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Since the SSPX Resistance started, when Bp. Williamson had been expelled from the Society in 2012, Sacraments were given on irregular schedule.

While there existed a host of independent chapels in need of Confirmations. this was not supplied on a regular basis. 


From 2012 to now. many such chapels capitulated to the persuasion and pressure of the SSPX to yield their property titles and control to them.

In the latter years of BP. Williamson's life, after he had consecrated an American Bishop, we were hopeful of some regional visitations and regular Sacraments.  This didn't happen.

 Confirmations are pretty much by private arrangement and for those living in the Southeast it meant a 500+ mile drive.

One explanation given for this was the fear that the Fr. Joe Pfeiffer crowd would crash the event.  In one case, Confirmations were given to Fr. Bitzer's faithful and the Pfeiffer propaganda was that the Resistance was aligned with Feeneyites. 

As the independent chapels shrunk, capitulated or died on the vine. the only source for regular Sacraments such as Confirmations. was the SSPX.  Their Sacraments were publicly announced a few times per year.

As for Holy Orders. well that was very private and it culminatied with the last years of +W's life as being clandestine events.

The last four Consecrations, including ArchBishop Vigano were secretly done.

One must ask, if you believe the Catholic Faith is yours and you are part of the Light of the Truth, why do you hide it?





If the SSPX was good to go to then why didnt you go there from the beginning?

Honestly people who still go there after 15 years of the resistance existing need their head checked. It's toxic and utterly stupid. 

Just because things get hard, does that give you a reason to compromise ? Is that the way the martyrs thought?

boo hoo, you have to travel far for Mass! MEANWHILE... Catholic in Nigeria, to take one example, live in GENUINE fear of their LIVES. But you're crying about having to take a drive or plane to a Mass, in your own country! Truly a pathetic middle-class, western problem.

Please everyone readying this, who goes to the SSPX:.... STOP! Being Catholic REQUIRES us to be ready to die for our Faith. The SSPX completely undermines that. Going there makes you worldy, hyper-sensitive, precious, even if you still have a veneer of piety to those around you, it makes you weak and effeminate. You CANNOT survive there long term and be a good Catholic. 

EVEN MORE so for those who have children, because the little ones pick up attitudes way more quickly than us adults. 


So you're crying about Bishop Williamson doing some consecrations secretly. It was Covid! He genuinely thought there was a good reason for it. And as for the lack of willingless for confirmations in the US, that's a matter for that particular Bishop. Could he do better? Well that's up to him and his personal judgement at the end of his life.  

We as lay people, must do the best with what we have. Observe shrewdly, plan for the long term spiritually. Make alliances, and stop treating our religion like a childhood teddy bear. It's suppose to help us grow up and be manly. Not effeminate, weak, autistic, selfish, like it seems to do for most trads.

Now ask me how I really feel. Lol.

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Dr. Plineo wouldn't wait for Catholic clergy  to lead the fight on the liberation theology communists who had infiltrated the Brazilian Catholic Church.  Those complacent prelates did nothing and succuмbed to the modernist ravages.

As for the brainwashing cult charges, anyone who knows the TFP understands that's bunk.

Bp. de Castro Mayer was wrong about the TFP as Pope Pius XI was wrong about the Cristeros.
 
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Where does the TFP stand on the Israeli Genocide? I know that they have been neocon interventionalists from way back. When did they renounce the Novus Ordo mass?


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Those were in fact smear jobs, much of which originated with the so-called "Heralds of the Gospel", their mortal enemies in Brazil who did end up taking over nearly all of their property in Brazil.  That stupid Litany to Plinio's Mom is obviously just a hilarious parody written by some students who had gotten a bit bored, very similar to some literary efforts my brothers and I produced in our youth mocking the Novus Ordo.

... just a small excerpt.  Only a total moron wouldn't see through that half of these are jabs against the types of typics that Dr. Plinio like to speak about, along with the suggestion that he was a "Momma's Boy".

:laugh1: :laugh2: :laugh1:

Clearly the work of some clever, bored, and mischievous young students ... and yet Dr. Plinio rightly banned it, since it does cross the line a bit by creating a parody of a Litany.


What reasons do you have for saying they were a forgery?

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Thank you for your post Ladislaus, I so totally agree with your post.  Fr. Feeney was a true defender of The Faith, and Thank God for him.  He handled it as God willed him too!  Fr. Feeney gave us enlightening. 

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Where does the TFP stand on the Israeli Genocide? I know that they have been neocon interventionalists from way back. When did they renounce the Novus Ordo mass?
I got an email a few years ago from the TFP saying that they “stand against the Islamic terrorists and do not support the attacks on Israel”. I clear my email every once in awhile to keep storage space, so I don’t have it in my inbox anymore. But clearly they’re pro-Israel. They also talk about “Islamic terrorists in Israel” in this article.
https://www.tfp.org/the-west-at-war/