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THE CONDEMNATION-JUSTIFICATION OF FATHER NICOLAS PINAUD (SSPX)
« on: November 21, 2013, 01:49:29 AM »
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  • Father Nicolas PINAUD criticized in private - as the vast majority of priests of the Society - the seriously heterodox Doctrinal Preamble of 14 April 2011 proposed by Bishop Fellay in Rome in order to find a practical agreement. In contrast, Father Pinaud helped to correct the spelling of a letter which was then called "Letter of the 37 priests," text written by Fr. Rioult .

    The "crime of treason" was committed : he is not allowed to criticize the Superior General, Bishop Fellay, even in private, and even when the latter disobeys his General Chapter [of 2006], even when he ratifies the "hermeneutics of reform" of Benedict XVI, even when he recognizes the "legitimacy" of the new Mass, even when it recognizes that the Council "enlightens" Tradition , etc...

    The General House of the SSPX knew about this intervention of Father Pinaud by using little morality: hacking and saving the contents of the mailbox of the abbot Rioult , and creating a false mailbox on behalf of the abbot Pinaud, usurping his identity in order to get information from his friends. Fr. Wailliez, District Superior of Belgium and the Netherlands, and Fr. Thouvenot, Secretary General of the SSPX, are both guilty of these criminal methods.

    It is on the basis of these stolen docuмents, that Bishop Fellay issued early March 2013, a penal decree against Father Pinaud. Each one will judge about the honesty of this superior, who says (to those who reproach these methods), that he condemns the theft of this private correspondence, but he uses it to instruct a canonical trial and convict the priest who bothers him.

    It was Father Wuilloud, family-related to Bishop Fellay, the District Superior of Switzerland, who has been appointed judge! That ensures "impartiality."
    Father Quilton, professor of "moral" to Écône is a prosecutor. In his indictment, he justified the identity theft of private correspondence and many other identity usurpations, calling them "mental reservation"!

    This "court" took eight months to prepare the trial of Pinaud Father, who in the meantime, was retained in Jaidhof, Austria, forbidden even to use the Internet to communicate.

    The sentence fell on November 8, 2013.
    In French and summarizes it this way: "You have the right to go to confession and receive communion. Do nothing else. Or say Mass in private, or confess , or preach. But in the great generosity of the award judges let you wearing the cassock ... "

    This type of sanction [suspension a divinis] generally applies for priests who do not comply with good morals... Any comments on the "honor and honesty" of the people who were involved in this travesty of justice seem superfluous...

    Remains the civil justice -wish the very severe- which may not let these criminals run much longer, and God, much more formidable, which will restore all things in truth.

    Courage, Father Pinaud! Archbishop Lefebvre had to deal in a similar way in his time : with liars, thieves , manipulative, arrogant, proud people and loving only their "authority", they just were less severe with him.
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    « Reply #1 on: November 21, 2013, 04:12:09 AM »
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  • and they wonder why we no longer salute them.... for shame! :really-mad2:


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    « Reply #2 on: November 21, 2013, 05:52:33 AM »
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  •  :sad:Pray for the souls of the priests who have become some cold to justice, truth and charity as to treat their brother so cruelly.  Liberalism is a dangerous disease of the intellect and will.
     St. Francis Xavier threw a Crucifix into the sea, at once calming the waves.  Upon reaching the shore, the Crucifix was returned to him by a crab with a curious cross pattern on its shell.  

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    « Reply #3 on: November 21, 2013, 07:49:37 AM »
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  • Some thoughts:

    1) I will overlook some of the "imprecisions" in the original post, as it seems the poster may not be communicating in his native language;

    2) I would also like to see some corroborative docuмentation or communication to back this information;

    3) The truth or falsity of this information certainly factors into the response clergy/laity will have regarding the sincerity of Bishop Fellay's recent Angelus Press Conference comments (in which he seems to finally have understood that, had he achieved his canonical recognition, in the absence of the doctrinal conversion of Rome, it would have been the death of the SSPX);

    4) If the information turns out to be true, it would seem incongruous for Bishop Fellay to punish a member of the SSPX for organizing resistance to an accord for which he now "thanks God" did not transpire (but which, in the absence of the resistance would almost certainly have transpired);

    5) And this incongruity would indeed give pause to those trying to decide whether or not we can again trust Bishop Fellay, and the hopes within the internal resistance we harbor for a discreet but steady rewinding of those measures constructed over the last 13 years designed to reach a practical accord.

    6) On the other hand, should the information prove false, the concern (in this particular instance, anyway) vanishes.

    Pax
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    « Reply #4 on: November 21, 2013, 07:51:34 AM »
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  • If their was any doubt as to the misuse and abuse of authority, this should dispatch that fantasy quickly.


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    « Reply #5 on: November 21, 2013, 08:05:22 AM »
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  • Father Hewko mentioned this injustice to Father Nicolas Pinaud in his sermon of November 17th which is on inthissignyoushallconquer.com.  It is true and he makes mentions that if Bishop Fellay is changing his stance why is he treating Father Pinaud the way he is.


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    « Reply #6 on: November 21, 2013, 10:22:49 AM »
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  • Speaking of Fr. Hewko, why has he not yet been formally expelled from SSPX?

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    « Reply #7 on: November 21, 2013, 02:52:36 PM »
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  • Quote from: SeanJohnson
    Some thoughts:

    1) I will overlook some of the "imprecisions" in the original post, as it seems the poster may not be communicating in his native language;

    2) I would also like to see some corroborative docuмentation or communication to back this information;

    3) The truth or falsity of this information certainly factors into the response clergy/laity will have regarding the sincerity of Bishop Fellay's recent Angelus Press Conference comments (in which he seems to finally have understood that, had he achieved his canonical recognition, in the absence of the doctrinal conversion of Rome, it would have been the death of the SSPX);

    4) If the information turns out to be true, it would seem incongruous for Bishop Fellay to punish a member of the SSPX for organizing resistance to an accord for which he now "thanks God" did not transpire (but which, in the absence of the resistance would almost certainly have transpired);

    5) And this incongruity would indeed give pause to those trying to decide whether or not we can again trust Bishop Fellay, and the hopes within the internal resistance we harbor for a discreet but steady rewinding of those measures constructed over the last 13 years designed to reach a practical accord.

    6) On the other hand, should the information prove false, the concern (in this particular instance, anyway) vanishes.

    Pax


    I disliked your post. You are of course correct to seek "corroborative docuмentation" though I can't agree with your naive confidence in Bishop Fellay.

    He was a liberal 20 years ago so not clear about the 'last 13 years' As Etheldred docuмented we all know why Fr Fellay was added. He should never of been consecrated a Bishop never mind being made Superior General.


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    « Reply #8 on: November 21, 2013, 03:01:45 PM »
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    If the information turns out to be true


    I have no doubt it is true. I suppose I dislike the post of SG for the more naive parts. Nobody objects to docuмents being corroborated.

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    « Reply #9 on: November 21, 2013, 03:04:19 PM »
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    Speaking of Fr. Hewko, why has he not yet been formally expelled from SSPX?


    No doubt a tactic of the Great One and Menzingen. Fr Hewko has not abandoned the heritage of Archbishop Lefebvre. He continues his work.

    Sean Johnson seems to think we should all watch and wait.Sit around.All is ok now. Bishop Fellay is Traditional again.

    I do not support this stance. Yes, we watch but really we must move on.






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    « Reply #10 on: November 21, 2013, 03:23:23 PM »
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  • Was there not an earlier thread where Father outlines his captivity. It was quite funny.

    On another point regarding
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    The "crime of treason" was committed : he is not allowed to criticize the Superior General, Bishop Fellay, even in private


    See also:

    Fr. Touak, SSPX priest of Brisbane, Australia.

    "Resistance are going to Hell!"

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    http://www.therecusant.com/apps/blog/

    "They're going to end up in hell for their unjustified rebellion against their superiors."
    Don't believe me? Follow the link, listen to the audio clip at the top of the page and see for yourself. 
    We await with interest to see how the District Superior of Australia, Fr. Fullerton, will respond to this scandalous public behaviour by one of his priests.

    http://www.ourladysresistance.org/father-taouk.html


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    « Reply #11 on: November 21, 2013, 03:26:28 PM »
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  • It has to be remembered also that the SSPX is a 'pious union'.

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    « Reply #12 on: November 21, 2013, 03:50:33 PM »
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  • Quote from: John Grace
    Quote from: SeanJohnson
    Some thoughts:

    1) I will overlook some of the "imprecisions" in the original post, as it seems the poster may not be communicating in his native language;

    2) I would also like to see some corroborative docuмentation or communication to back this information;

    3) The truth or falsity of this information certainly factors into the response clergy/laity will have regarding the sincerity of Bishop Fellay's recent Angelus Press Conference comments (in which he seems to finally have understood that, had he achieved his canonical recognition, in the absence of the doctrinal conversion of Rome, it would have been the death of the SSPX);

    4) If the information turns out to be true, it would seem incongruous for Bishop Fellay to punish a member of the SSPX for organizing resistance to an accord for which he now "thanks God" did not transpire (but which, in the absence of the resistance would almost certainly have transpired);

    5) And this incongruity would indeed give pause to those trying to decide whether or not we can again trust Bishop Fellay, and the hopes within the internal resistance we harbor for a discreet but steady rewinding of those measures constructed over the last 13 years designed to reach a practical accord.

    6) On the other hand, should the information prove false, the concern (in this particular instance, anyway) vanishes.

    Pax


    I disliked your post. You are of course correct to seek "corroborative docuмentation" though I can't agree with your naive confidence in Bishop Fellay.

    He was a liberal 20 years ago so not clear about the 'last 13 years' As Etheldred docuмented we all know why Fr Fellay was added. He should never of been consecrated a Bishop never mind being made Superior General.


    John-

    Who has confidence in Bishop Fellay???

    Giving him the benefit of the doubt (as required by Catholic moral theology), and believing in him, are two completely different things.

    PS: And for the sake of clarity, it is the veracity of the sentence given Fr. Pinaud for which I seek corroborative evidence, not that fact that he has been ordered to endure a protracted stay at Jaidohf.

    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    « Reply #13 on: November 21, 2013, 04:04:38 PM »
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    Giving him the benefit of the doubt (as required by Catholic moral theology), and believing in him, are two completely different things.

    It is mind boggling that you still have doubt.

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    « Reply #14 on: November 21, 2013, 04:17:59 PM »
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  • Quote from: Ecclesia Militans
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    Giving him the benefit of the doubt (as required by Catholic moral theology), and believing in him, are two completely different things.

    It is mind boggling that you still have doubt.


    I agree with you. He is a good egg though.