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Traditional Catholic Faith => SSPX Resistance News => Topic started by: JPaul on November 01, 2013, 07:38:55 AM
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http://www.miamiarch.org/ip.asp?op=Article_13102810144642
A Conciliar Cardinal describes their religion. Where is the condemnation from Menzingen? Where is the condemnation from the Resistance in Florida?
An example:
" The Second Vatican Council was the main event in the Church in the 20th Century. In principle, it meant an end to the hostilities between the Church and modernism, which was condemned in the First Vatican Council. On the contrary: neither the world is the realm of evil and sin –these are conclusions clearly achieved in Vatican II—nor is the Church the sole refuge of good and virtue. Modernism was, most of the time, a reaction against injustices and abuses that disparaged the dignity and the rights of the person. "
Is this your Church?
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Yes
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http://www.miamiarch.org/ip.asp?op=Article_13102810144642
A Conciliar Cardinal describes their religion. Where is the condemnation from Menzingen? Where is the condemnation from the Resistance in Florida?
An example:
" The Second Vatican Council was the main event in the Church in the 20th Century. In principle, it meant an end to the hostilities between the Church and modernism, which was condemned in the First Vatican Council. On the contrary: neither the world is the realm of evil and sin –these are conclusions clearly achieved in Vatican II—nor is the Church the sole refuge of good and virtue. Modernism was, most of the time, a reaction against injustices and abuses that disparaged the dignity and the rights of the person. "
Is this your Church?
Where is the condemnation from Bishop Williamson or Fr. Pfeiffer?
My point:
This trash just came out on the 28th.
Do you expect the SSPX or the Resistance to keep up with, and denounce, every utterance of modernism that comes out of Rome?
They would have to employ 50 full-time staffers to keep up with all the garbage Rome is putting out.
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Yes, it is a sect, it lacks the marks of the Church, so it is not the Church.
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It is a new religion where it believes in universal salvation and accepts the Second Vatican Council but rejects all the other councils.
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I wouldn't put it past the SSPX priory in Florida to not say anything negative. They've been neutered.
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It has a Catholic history and the errors subsist in mass ignorance, so those who are not ignorant of the faith who are within the conciliar church could have the faith - the usual orthodox indult priest for example.
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It has a Catholic history and the errors subsist in mass ignorance...
Just as the Church of Christ subsists in the Catholic Church?
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No, this isn't my Church.
My Church is the One, True Church, not the Counciliar Church, which began a new religion.
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http://www.miamiarch.org/ip.asp?op=Article_13102810144642
A Conciliar Cardinal describes their religion. Where is the condemnation from Menzingen? Where is the condemnation from the Resistance in Florida?
An example:
" The Second Vatican Council was the main event in the Church in the 20th Century. In principle, it meant an end to the hostilities between the Church and modernism, which was condemned in the First Vatican Council. On the contrary: neither the world is the realm of evil and sin –these are conclusions clearly achieved in Vatican II—nor is the Church the sole refuge of good and virtue. Modernism was, most of the time, a reaction against injustices and abuses that disparaged the dignity and the rights of the person. "
Is this your Church?
Where is the condemnation from Bishop Williamson or Fr. Pfeiffer?
My point:
This trash just came out on the 28th.
Do you expect the SSPX or the Resistance to keep up with, and denounce, every utterance of modernism that comes out of Rome?
They would have to employ 50 full-time staffers to keep up with all the garbage Rome is putting out.
The dog won't hunt. It seems that there are enough staffers to keep them apprised of every utterance of the Roi de Menzigen.
It is a matter of focus and what is deemed important enough to know.
It is the time now to hound and harass these apostate Bishops every time that they begin to spout their heresies and errors on the national and international level.
Is there no one left who will defend the Church from these predations???
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http://www.miamiarch.org/ip.asp?op=Article_13102810144642
A Conciliar Cardinal describes their religion. Where is the condemnation from Menzingen? Where is the condemnation from the Resistance in Florida?
An example:
" The Second Vatican Council was the main event in the Church in the 20th Century. In principle, it meant an end to the hostilities between the Church and modernism, which was condemned in the First Vatican Council. On the contrary: neither the world is the realm of evil and sin –these are conclusions clearly achieved in Vatican II—nor is the Church the sole refuge of good and virtue. Modernism was, most of the time, a reaction against injustices and abuses that disparaged the dignity and the rights of the person. "
Is this your Church?
Where is the condemnation from Bishop Williamson or Fr. Pfeiffer?
My point:
This trash just came out on the 28th.
Do you expect the SSPX or the Resistance to keep up with, and denounce, every utterance of modernism that comes out of Rome?
They would have to employ 50 full-time staffers to keep up with all the garbage Rome is putting out.
The dog won't hunt. It seems that there are enough staffers to keep them apprised of every utterance of the Roi de Menzigen.
It is a matter of focus and what is deemed important enough to know.
It is the time now to hound and harass these apostate Bishops every time that they begin to spout their heresies and errors on the national and international level.
Is there no one left who will defend the Church from these predations???
I am reminded of the ACLU and the ADL -- whenever someone comes
out with a public statement that these types don't like, their rubber
meets the road with howls of "anti-Semitism!!" They're so predictable
that way, to the point where you just know that it won't take but a few
hours for their reaction to go public.
The fact that they are relentless is what has gradually brought down
their opposition, because eventually it gets to be tiresome to see the
reaction happen, to the point where you just know that it will happen.
If the Resistance took that approach, maybe it would have an impact,
but like SeanJohn says, it would require a staff of sentries whose job
it is to keep tabs day in and day out.
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I am reminded of the ACLU and the ADL -- whenever someone comes
out with a public statement that these types don't like, their rubber
meets the road with howls of "anti-Semitism!!" They're so predictable
that way, to the point where you just know that it won't take but a few
hours for their reaction to go public.
The fact that they are relentless is what has gradually brought down
their opposition, because eventually it gets to be tiresome to see the
reaction happen, to the point where you just know that it will happen.
If the Resistance took that approach, maybe it would have an impact,
but like SeanJohn says, it would require a staff of sentries whose job
it is to keep tabs day in and day out.
That is hogwash and an excuse. The resistance has no trouble being an SSPX ADL and sermonizing over every stutter of Bishop Fellay.
The real battle for the faith awaits outside of the confines of the SSPX sphere. The question is when are they going to leave the training ground and join it?
Should there be Catholic congregations and groups which are on a constant offensive against the Conciliar sect and its Father? You bet! relentless and unceasing, dedicated and of singular purpose. But are there any?
I don't think that there will be any at any time soon. There is apparently no stomach for the larger fight.
I would ask again, Is there no one left who will defend the Church from these predations?
From the last few responses, I would conclude the answer to be no.
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J. Paul,
I appreciated your and Holly's comments on the resistance thread. I believe that you are undertaking a good work by trying to bring to light the overarching problem with the traditionalist movement as a whole.
Your soul is Catholic and so is your thinking.
To answer your question: The conciliar sect is the ѕуηαgσgυє of satan, and antichrist, and quintessentially not Catholic. Were it Catholic we would never have gone out from the visible structure, which it captured and enslaved, to upbuild the Church and transmit the Faith in the hinterlands.
The Catholic Church has one mark, which is the summa of the Four Marks; and that is the mark of the transmission of the Faith. Wherever the Faith is transmitted, there is the Church - because it is impossible to transmit the Faith without the Mystical Union of the Head with His Members: the Vine with the attached branches.
It its Holy Essence, the Church is a fecundity.
Now does the conciliar sect transmit the Faith? A resounding 'no' is the answer. The conciliar sect has for its raison d'etre to abort the Faith before it can come to fruition in souls and/or to murder it in souls who once believed. Ergo the conciliar sect is not the Church.
As you are so wise to point out, too, too many traditional priests are content to fiddle with puerile, internecine grudges and grievances while the Church burns to the ground, were that possible.
There has come into the world an indescribable and manifold abyss of satanic error, which the Church is ordained by God to engage in mortal combat. You talked about the need for the formation of a new and dynamic Catholic order, not some retread of the old SSPX, to defend against the onslaught of error choking the very life out of the lungs of the all the nations.
Let's face it - the SSPX, good though it was, did not defend against all the errors. It mainly defended against the errors of religious indifferentism. It never waged war against the heresy and schism of theological, philosophical, and scientific evolution, which is the arch principle of the revolution against the Lord and against His Christ.
The hour is late. Five more years of SSPX-style "defense" of the Faith, and the world of 2013 will look like Christendom.
Either we seriously re-calibrate and start defending the entire deposit of the Faith - either we attack the errors of scientism head on - or God will pour down fire from Heaven to purge the earth of all the filth.
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And another thing:
Johnson and what he refers to as the "external resistance," are flip sides of the same coin, just as are capitalism and communism. All of Johnson's comments amount to no more than a circular dialecticism.
The essential orientation of both Johnson and the "external" resistance is not Church-centrism, but SSPX-centrism. The alpha and the omega of these ostensibly dichotomous positions are exactly the same - the SSPX.
Both begin with a false principle - J. Paul spoke brilliantly on this problem in the other thread - and both will end in ruin.
Sean Johnson is not espousing accordism. He is espousing SSPX-ism.
I want no part of that. I stand with J. Paul, a real Catholic man, and not with fantasy-minded, enclave-luving pansies.
P.S. No, Johnson, I'm not calling you a pansy. But I do say that SSPX-ism, left unchecked, is pansy seed cuм fertilizer.
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The resistance has no trouble being an SSPX ADL and sermonizing over every stutter of Bishop Fellay.
The real battle for the faith awaits outside of the confines of the SSPX sphere. The question is when are they going to leave the training ground and join it?
Should there be Catholic congregations and groups which are on a constant offensive against the Conciliar sect and its Father? You bet! relentless and unceasing, dedicated and of singular purpose. But are there any?
I don't think that there will be any at any time soon. There is apparently no stomach for the larger fight.
I would ask again, Is there no one left who will defend the Church from these predations?
From the last few responses, I would conclude the answer to be no.
Awesome post!
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J. Paul,
I appreciated your and Holly's comments on the resistance thread. I believe that you are undertaking a good work by trying to bring to light the overarching problem with the traditionalist movement as a whole.
Your soul is Catholic and so is your thinking.
To answer your question: The conciliar sect is the ѕуηαgσgυє of satan, and antichrist, and quintessentially not Catholic. Were it Catholic we would never have gone out from the visible structure, which it captured and enslaved, to upbuild the Church and transmit the Faith in the hinterlands.
The Catholic Church has one mark, which is the summa of the Four Marks; and that is the mark of the transmission of the Faith. Wherever the Faith is transmitted, there is the Church - because it is impossible to transmit the Faith without the Mystical Union of the Head with His Members: the Vine with the attached branches.
It its Holy Essence, the Church is a fecundity.
Now does the conciliar sect transmit the Faith? A resounding 'no' is the answer. The conciliar sect has for its raison d'etre to abort the Faith before it can come to fruition in souls and/or to murder it in souls who once believed. Ergo the conciliar sect is not the Church.
As you are so wise to point out, too, too many traditional priests are content to fiddle with puerile, internecine grudges and grievances while the Church burns to the ground, were that possible.
There has come into the world an indescribable and manifold abyss of satanic error, which the Church is ordained by God to engage in mortal combat. You talked about the need for the formation of a new and dynamic Catholic order, not some retread of the old SSPX, to defend against the onslaught of error choking the very life out of the lungs of the all the nations.
Let's face it - the SSPX, good though it was, did not defend against all the errors. It mainly defended against the errors of religious indifferentism. It never waged war against the heresy and schism of theological, philosophical, and scientific evolution, which is the arch principle of the revolution against the Lord and against His Christ.
The hour is late. Five more years of SSPX-style "defense" of the Faith, and the world of 2013 will look like Christendom.
Either we seriously re-calibrate and start defending the entire deposit of the Faith - either we attack the errors of scientism head on - or God will pour down fire from Heaven to purge the earth of all the filth.
If this is what J.Paul was trying to get across, I didn't catch it. You did a good job in expounding it.
If Bishop Williamson, as a Bishop, does NOT want to lead his brother priests, that certainly would be a shame of office and function of a Bishop, as a thought for the universality of the Catholic Church, I wonder if the new torch and restoration of Christendom will go back [historically] to the last 2- Traditional Benedictine Monasteries still making the [universal] fight?
I also agree. As the SSPX had willfully compromised for many years the universality of its Catholic mission and foundation, it is now being a distraction to the greater fight and attacks within that universality of the Catholic Church.
Welcome back Cantatedomino. It is good to read your posts again...
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for most people, it was never about sspxism. we believed sspx were fighting the good fight, for the defense of the Faith. we didnt wake up one day,and decide, they were not. the changes were subtle and even decietful, then wham! so the reasons we ran from the concilliars, are now the reason we run from sspx, we see they have become as hierlings, and we rightly, run for our lives. if we hear the familar words of defense of Doctrine, from resistance priests, are we not to listen, and find some consolation,... knowing only God can help us now.
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If this is what J.Paul was trying to get across, I didn't catch it. You did a good job in expounding it.
If Bishop Williamson, as a Bishop, does NOT want to lead his brother priests, that certainly would be a shame of office and function of a Bishop, as a thought for the universality of the Catholic Church, I wonder if the new torch and restoration of Christendom will go back [historically] to the last 2- Traditional Benedictine Monasteries still making the [universal] fight?
I also agree. As the SSPX had willfully compromised for many years the universality of its Catholic mission and foundation, it is now being a distraction to the greater fight and attacks within that universality of the Catholic Church.
Welcome back Cantatedomino. It is good to read your posts again...
Hi Machabees,
It's always good to share a thread with you.
I cannot speak for J.Paul, but I think I understand his position. And if he is correct, then his thinking goes long and far to make clear the root cause of the problem of self-contradiction and lack of solid Catholic leadership that we consistently see in +W.
J.Paul nailed it when he said this: The real battle for the faith awaits outside of the confines of the SSPX sphere. The question is when are they going to leave the training ground and join it?
These mighty words aptly describe a very concerning reality. Another analogy is when a child gets separated from its mother in the department store. It freezes with panic because it perceives that it cannot survive outside the penumbra of her protection. It experiences terror because it recognizes its absolute dependence on her for its very survival.
This analogy may be applied to +W and the so-called resistance; but it may also be applied to the larger SSPX playpen from whence these were divided. The SSPX, as Freudian oral-fixated toddler, cannot operate like a mature Catholic individual because of its thumb-sucking, suicidal, uber dependence on the mere illusion of real Catholic authority haunting the gutted out visible structures of the Roman Catholic Church.
The so-called resistance, not led by the non-leader +BpW, cannot 'get a life' because inside the lifeless SSPX, it never had a life.
Perhaps the Good God gave us a Bergoglio so that we faithful remnant could wake up from the sleepwalking stupor that paralyzes us in quaint, frilly inaction. Thus far the traditionalist movement is at best a museum fossil. Maturation in Catholic Faith, Hope, Love, and Fortitude is the only means to achieve the end.
Below I will share something I recently sent to an email correspondent. I think it rides sidecar with J.Paul's cogitations nicely:
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FROM AN EMAIL I SENT RECENTLY: Tradition – as faithful remnant – must continue as it always has, according to the hierarchical order and determinations given to it by Almighty God, no matter how limited in extension it comes to be. Extension is an accidental form, and certainly not the substantial form of the Church. Were there only one bishop left on Earth, he must still ‘bish,’ because his essence is bishop. Were there only one priest left on Earth, he must still offer the immemorial Sacrifice, because his essence is priest. Essences are immutable, as coming from the Divine Creator. Only the accidents can change.
I believe with all my heart that the public revelation of the interior corruption of the SSPX, coincident with the revelations proper to this bizarre pontificate, is an unmistakable sign and warning from Almighty God that Tradition – as faithful remnant - must amend and return to Him or else face His wrath. There is no doubt that Vatican II threw all men of good will into confusion and consternation. The entire Church, from Her Vicar to Her Bishops to Her priests to Her monks and nuns to Her faithful, was struck, and the edifice was shattered into countless pieces, like a windshield hit by a golf ball. A new order in Church and State has come to be – a garish, off-color, artificial, and violent force of oppression of both nature and grace.
As with all artificial and violent excitements, things invariably return to a ground state, whether it be the previous state of existence or some new ‘equilibrium.’ The new ‘equilibrium’ in the State is communism. The new ‘equilibrium’ in the Church is heresy. The new 'equilibrium' in Tradition – as faithful remnant – is culpable, servile fear.
I say we must break out of fear or die. God says: Put Me as a seal upon thy heart, as a seal upon thy arm, for love is strong as death, jealousy as hard as hell, the lamps thereof are fire and flames. Many waters cannot quench charity, neither can the floods drown it.[/i]
God says this also: Fear is not in charity: but perfect charity casteth out fear, because fear hath pain. And he that feareth, is not perfected in charity.[/i]
I believe that God, Who is all Good, has been very patient with the confused men of Tradition because, as a father hath compassion on his children, so hath the Lord compassion on them that fear Him: For He knoweth our frame. He remembereth that we are dust: Man' s days are as grass, as the flower of the field so shall he flourish.[/i]
But the time will come when the Lord is awaked as one out of sleep; and like a mighty man that hath been surfeited with wine, He shall smite His enemies on the hinder parts, and put them to an everlasting reproach. When that time comes (and I believe that time is now), Tradition must be ready to cast off all servile fear, no matter how limited in extension it is, because God shall not delight in the strength of the horse, nor take pleasure in the legs of a man. The Lord taketh pleasure in them that fear Him: and in them that hope in His mercy . . By the three hundred men, that lapped water, I will save you, and deliver Madian into thy hand: but let all the rest of the people return to their place.[/i]
Surely there comes a point in time when God will hold men accountable for their public words and actions. And I do not here refer to men like Bergoglio. I refer to the Catholics, and most especially to bishops and priests, who have the highest and most serious duty to speak the truth to an unbelieving world. Bergoglio is an open, public, and notorious modernist of a very radical stripe. He makes no bones about revealing his revolutionism to the world. Unlike the snakes that preceded him (Roncalli, Montini, Wojtyla, and Ratzinger), he does not hide behind a false veneer of pseudo conservatism.
And more than this, as Louis Verrecchio recently commented, “Don’t let the mere invocation of Our Lord’s blessed name fool you. The cold hard reality is simply this: The 266th Successor to the Throne of St. Peter is actively preaching a god who is not Jesus Christ, King of Kings and Lord of Lords.”
Verrecchio is rightly saying that Bergoglio is worse than a heretic. He is an idolater/infidel, and most likely a crypto Jєω.
Now the SSPX, in its heyday, consistently taught the truth that the Church has formally condemned modernism as a heresy (Pascendi), and the synthesis (cesspool) of all heresies. A modernist is, therefore, by definition, a heretic and a cesspool (recall the words of Our Lady of La Salette: The priests have become cesspools of impurity[/b]). Yet the SSPX, in direct contravention of the examples given in the deposit of Patristic apologetics, never, ever calls particular modernists, like Paul VI, JPII, BVXI, and the current pusbucket-in-chief, heretics.
Why is this? Is this not an inexcusable and grave omission? How long shall the Good God put up with pseudo-traditionalist dissimulation? O unbelieving and perverse generation, how long shall I be with you? How long shall I suffer you? But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.[/b]
For some hellish reason, faithful Catholics who actually know their religion, bishops and priests inclusive, suffer from a moral squeamishness when it comes to calling modernists heretics. This has to be a manifestation of the kind of fear that marks out a very weak faith, a very weak hope, and a very weak charity. Human respect and political aspirations replace supernatural virtue, as all can see in the neo-modernist SSPX.
Does not God say to the remnant of the Church Militant on Earth: Why dost thou declare My justices, and take My covenant in thy mouth? Seeing thou hast hated discipline: and hast cast My words behind thee. If thou didst see a thief thou didst run with him: and with adulterers thou hast been a partaker. Thy mouth hath abounded with evil, and thy tongue framed deceits. Sitting thou didst speak against thy brother, and didst lay a scandal against thy mother' s son: These things hast thou done, and I was silent. Thou thoughtest unjustly that I should be like to thee: but I will reprove thee, and set before thy face. Understand these things, you that forget God; lest he snatch you away, and there be none to deliver you.[/b]
Most assuredly, God gives souls time to come to terms with reality in periods of history such as this. But when God finally reveals things to men in such a clear manner that there can be no mistake of fact, He expects men to face reality and act with virtue – Faith, Hope, Charity, Justice, Fortitude, Temperance, and Prudence. Indeed, the Good and Gracious God has given us all a new lease on Catholic life. With the corruption of the substantial form of the SSPX, the Catholic remnant has now the freedom, nay rather the mandate from God, to renounce and retract many of the dishonest and, frankly, shameful orientations it has accreted to itself over the years, and most especially the organizational mandate that makes calling heretic popes heretics the taboo of all taboos. The Scripture enjoins us: Woe to you that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter. Woe to you that are wise in your own eyes, and prudent in your own conceits.
I know what God wants, and not because I am a mystic or in some special relationship with Him. I know what He wants because I am a sinner and disciple of Jesus Christ. I sit at my Master's feet and I learn from Him. I learn from Him through good Catholic books. I do not make believe that I hear His voice in my soul. My soul is rotten and filthy to the core - full of anger and scorn for my fellow men. The voice I hear in my soul is that of the devil, the flesh, and the world. The Master speaks to me through the Church. Thank God His voice is outside of me!
My God wants Catholics to stand and fight, not worrying about how we shall obtain victory against such monumental odds, for these are His concerns and not ours.
My God wants Catholics to upbuild the Church with zeal, vigor, and reckless impunity, not worrying about legalistic and semantical problems that seem impossible to overcome, for these are His concerns and not ours.
My God wants Catholics to upbuild the Church with zeal, vigor, and reckless impunity, not worrying about the coming end of the world or the coming chastisement, for these are His concerns and not ours. As He has said: Then shall the kingdom of heaven be like to ten virgins, who taking their lamps went out to meet the bridegroom and the bride. And five of them were foolish, and five wise. But the five foolish, having taken their lamps, did not take oil with them: But the wise took oil in their vessels with the lamps. And the bridegroom tarrying, they all slumbered and slept. And at midnight there was a cry made: Behold the bridegroom cometh, go ye forth to meet him. Then all those virgins arose and trimmed their lamps. And the foolish said to the wise: Give us of your oil, for our lamps are gone out. The wise answered, saying: Lest perhaps there be not enough for us and for you, go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves. Now whilst they went to buy, the bridegroom came: and they that were ready, went in with him to the marriage, and the door was shut. But at last come also the other virgins, saying: Lord, Lord, open to us. But he answering said: Amen I say to you, I know you not. Watch ye therefore, because you know not the day nor the hour.
For even as a man going into a far country, called his servants, and delivered to them his goods; And to one he gave five talents, and to another two, and to another one, to every one according to his proper ability: and immediately he took his journey. And he that had received the five talents, went his way, and traded with the same, and gained other five. And in like manner he that had received the two, gained other two. But he that had received the one, going his way digged into the earth, and hid his lord' s money. But after a long time the lord of those servants came, and reckoned with them. And he that had received the five talents coming, brought other five talents, saying: Lord, thou didst deliver to me five talents, behold I have gained other five over and above. His lord said to him: Well done, good and faithful servant, because thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will place thee over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord. And he also that had received the two talents came and said: Lord, thou deliveredst two talents to me: behold I have gained other two. His lord said to him: Well done, good and faithful servant: because thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will place thee over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord. But he that had received the one talent, came and said: Lord, I know that thou art a hard man; thou reapest where thou hast not sown, and gatherest where thou hast not strewed. And being afraid I went and hid thy talent in the earth: behold here thou hast that which is thine. And his lord answering, said to him: Wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sow not, and gather where I have not strewed: Thou oughtest therefore to have committed my money to the bankers, and at my coming I should have received my own with usury. Take ye away therefore the talent from him, and give it to him that hath ten talents. For to every one that hath shall be given, and he shall abound: but from him that hath not, that also which he seemeth to have shall be taken away. And the unprofitable servant cast ye out into the exterior darkness. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.[/i]
My God wants Catholics to uphold the truths of Creation, namely the literal interpretation of Genesis and the Catholic Cosmology, not worrying about the fact that an unbelieving world will mock and scorn those who preach with zeal and vigor that the Earth is young, that Adam and Eve are real, that man Fell, and that the Earth is the immovable, stationary center of the finite Universe, for these are His concerns and not ours.
The men of the so-called resistance appear to my eyes as narcissistic navel gazers, curled up in the fetal position and sucking their thumbs in some remote corner of the Church, whilst the devils gnaw on the flesh of their God-entrusted sheep.
Why do I say narcissistic and navel-gazing? The dictionary defines navel gazing as "complacent self-absorption; concentration on a single issue at the expense of a wider view;" while it defines narcissism as "excessive interest in oneself." Let us ask ourselves, does God, Whom we are commanded to imitate, think in terms of the SSPX or in terms of His Church? Indeed, God has shown the world what He thinks of the SSPX. He thinks it is worthy only of being cast out, and trodden on by men. He has caused it to suffer the same shameful unmasking and abandonment of the larger novus ordo system it inhabits. The SSPX is novus ordo - this is what God hath revealed to men.
We know what God thinks of the SSPX - He left it. And no sooner did He reveal to the world that He left it, did He give unto the world the very real gift of Bergoglio.
Where does God want us now to fix our eyes? On the SSPX? NO!!!!! He wants us to fix our eyes on the Church! The SSPX is not, nor ever was, the Church! Anyone who willfully refuses to read these signs of the times, and especially any man of the so-called resistance - any man who refuses to fix his eyes where God is pointing - is a narcissist and a navel gazer. As St. Peter Apostle has said: If, flying from the pollutions of the world, through the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they be again entangled in them and overcome: their latter state is become unto them worse than the former. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of justice, than after they have known it, to turn back from that holy commandment which was delivered to them. For, that of the true proverb has happened to them: The dog is returned to his vomit: and, the sow that was washed, to her wallowing in the mire.
The incessant, swollen, polluted, obsessive fixation of the men of the so-called resistance on the SSPX, at the expense of the teaching of the integral Faith to an unbelieving world, is a wallowing in the mire of the vomit of sectarianism.
Bishop Williamson may not claim, as once Jesus claimed, that he is sent but to the sheep that are lost of the house of the SSPX. He is an Apostle of Jesus Christ and His Church, wherefore he is sent to ALL NATIONS: Going therefore, teach ye all nations; baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and behold I am with you all days, even to the consummation of the world [because] all power is given to Me in heaven and in earth.
His apostolic mandate does not end with WWII, Vatican II, or the SSPX cινιℓ ωαr. He is to wield the eternal power of God, which is given to Jesus Christ, Who in turn gives it to His Apostles, unto the consummation of the world: As the Father hath sent me, I also send you . . . Receive ye the Holy Ghost. Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them; and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained.[/b]
God has given us Catholics a chance to start over. Will we follow him wherever He leads or will we say to Him: I will follow thee, Lord; but let me first take my leave of them that are at my house?[/b]
Will not Jesus respond to thee: No man putting his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.
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for most people, it was never about sspxism. we believed sspx were fighting the good fight, for the defense of the Faith. we didnt wake up one day,and decide, they were not. the changes were subtle and even decietful, then wham! so the reasons we ran from the concilliars, are now the reason we run from sspx, we see they have become as hierlings, and we rightly, run for our lives. if we hear the familar words of defense of Doctrine, from resistance priests, are we not to listen, and find some consolation,... knowing only God can help us now.
I think that if there is anything at all that may rightly be referred to as 'the resistance,' it is the mindset you describe, which J.Paul also describes, and which you ascribe to yourself and the bulk of the 'classical SSPX.' It is, no more or less, real Catholicism in the face of the mass apostasy of the hierarchy of the Church. It is the heart and soul of Tradition and traditionalism.
What happened last year, in the unmasking of the real SSPX, was a public revelation, C/O the Good God, that the motives of the brass in Menzingen and the district houses differ radically from the motives of their moneybags, er, I mean pew warmers, er, I mean seminary fodder providers, er I mean faithful supporters.
We now see that they play-acted militant Catholic to get money and men from real militant Catholics. And really, so what?
Would this be the first time Catholics were robbed and duped by a religious congregation?
Why is it so hard to let them go do their own thing while we resume the combat? Are we so beaten down that we have no energy to recalibrate? Does not God provide for us and fight for us?
I, for one, am hot to recalibrate. And I know there are laymen out there equally hot. Now if we can just find some clerics who prefer the real combat to squabbling and navel gazing.
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Cantatedomino, J Paul, Machabees, and stgobnait, Thank you, thank you, thank you, A hundred times, thank you!!!
If a faithful Roman Catholic finds himself in a hole, quit digging! Climb out and join the battle.
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These mighty words aptly describe a very concerning reality. Another analogy is when a child gets separated from its mother in the department store. It freezes with panic because it perceives that it cannot survive outside the penumbra of her protection. It experiences terror because it recognizes its absolute dependence on her for its very survival.
This analogy may be applied to +W and the so-called resistance; but it may also be applied to the larger SSPX playpen from whence these were divided. The SSPX, as Freudian oral-fixated toddler, cannot operate like a mature Catholic individual because of its thumb-sucking, suicidal, uber dependence on the mere illusion of real Catholic authority haunting the gutted out visible structures of the Roman Catholic Church.
The so-called resistance, not led by the non-leader +BpW, cannot 'get a life' because inside the lifeless SSPX, it never had a life.
With some people proceeding along the lines that the Society and Rome are not all bad, your candid words convey an image of the Resistance sucking on the good teat of the SSPX for its survival ...... which in turn is sucking on the good teat of Rome for its survival. I am tempted to draw a cartoon but would spare your blushes. By definition, neither expression of resistance is independent or mature enough to fight the good fight of tradition; it continually looks over its shoulder for signs of parental disapprobation. Without it, it is afraid of not being taken seriously! Genuine resistance means cutting loose from the SSPX because we all know it will never cut loose from conciliar Rome.
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I think Menzingen was aiming for a new constituency; younger, liberal trads that would view conciliar Rome and V2 with understanding and not hostility. Also, they would be more politically mainstream without the reactionary disposition of the SSPX old guard. Enough maybe to attract a new generation of benefactor with different ideas and lifestyles.
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Menzingen and its rebranding campaign are quickly placing the SSPX in the dustbin of history. Our quest is eternal salvation so we must run that race and finish the course set for us by Our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. His Holy Mother has promised that those who will take refuge within her Immaculate Heart will be placed on the path which will lead directly to Heaven. It is quite clear that only she can help us now. The complete daily rosary, her protective scapular, and the Tridentine Holy Mass and Sacraments (proper matter, form, and intention) - wherever and whenever they can be found - are the sure guideposts along the way.
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These mighty words aptly describe a very concerning reality. Another analogy is when a child gets separated from its mother in the department store. It freezes with panic because it perceives that it cannot survive outside the penumbra of her protection. It experiences terror because it recognizes its absolute dependence on her for its very survival.
This analogy may be applied to +W and the so-called resistance; but it may also be applied to the larger SSPX playpen from whence these were divided. The SSPX, as Freudian oral-fixated toddler, cannot operate like a mature Catholic individual because of its thumb-sucking, suicidal, uber dependence on the mere illusion of real Catholic authority haunting the gutted out visible structures of the Roman Catholic Church.
The so-called resistance, not led by the non-leader +BpW, cannot 'get a life' because inside the lifeless SSPX, it never had a life.
With some people proceeding along the lines that the Society and Rome are not all bad, your candid words convey an image of the Resistance sucking on the good teat of the SSPX for its survival ...... which in turn is sucking on the good teat of Rome for its survival. I am tempted to draw a cartoon but would spare your blushes. By definition, neither expression of resistance is independent or mature enough to fight the good fight of tradition; it continually looks over its shoulder for signs of parental disapprobation. Without it, it is afraid of not being taken seriously! Genuine resistance means cutting loose from the SSPX because we all know it will never cut loose from conciliar Rome.
Wessex, m'love!!!!
Blushes? Nay rather gales of chuckles!!!
Ha!!!
Oh, and by the way, good post!
But let me say this: Due to the physical ruination caused by the spiritual debacle, I would not affirm that cutting lose from the SSPX in every case means stop going to its Masses. We see that for many folk that have "stopped the Masses," yet they labor under the same infantile regression as when they played with their rattles and rode their tricycles inside the organization. Methinks that the mature resistance of which you speak is, primarily, an intellectual reality.
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Menzingen and its rebranding campaign are quickly placing the SSPX in the dustbin of history. Our quest is eternal salvation so we must run that race and finish the course set for us by Our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. His Holy Mother has promised that those who will take refuge within her Immaculate Heart will be placed on the path which will lead directly to Heaven. It is quite clear that only she can help us now. The complete daily rosary, her protective scapular, and the Tridentine Holy Mass and Sacraments (proper matter, form, and intention) - wherever and whenever they can be found - are the sure guideposts along the way.
When two sides in one war perceive themselves to be contraries, and yet are slaves to the same false principles - as in the case of the SSPX cινιℓ ωαr - both sides slide into the dustbin of history.
The problem with both sides of the SSPX cινιℓ ωαr is self-contradiction, a sellout to the heresy of modernism, and sentimentalism. Self-contradiction because though they seem to fight each other, yet they are following the same paradigm of institutionalized squeamishness and not-so-clever, not-so-disguised dissimulation. Sell-out to modernism because both sides cannot call a spade a spade for fear of alienating money. Sentimentalism because both sides love the reflection in the mirror more than they love objective truth.
It's not where you go to Mass that qualifies you, but rather your orientation to the Church and the revolution.
Call Bergoglio 'daddy,' and you'll pay a dear, dear price.
It's not necessary to declare the See vacant, but it is necessary to affirm that we have no part with heretics. Apostles do not generate children by the flesh, but by the Spirit.
As the book of Wisdom says:
Love justice, you that are the judges of the earth. Think of the Lord in goodness, and seek Him in simplicity of heart. For He is found by them that tempt Him not: and He sheweth Himself to them that have faith in Him. For perverse thoughts separate from God: and His power, when it is tried, reproveth the unwise: For wisdom will not enter into a malicious soul, nor dwell in a body subject to sins. For the Holy Spirit of discipline will flee from the deceitful, and will withdraw Himself from thoughts that are without understanding, and He shall not abide when iniquity cometh in. For the Spirit of wisdom is benevolent, and will not acquit the evil speaker from his lips: for God is witness of his reins, and he is a true searcher of his heart, and a hearer of his tongue. For the spirit of the Lord hath filled the whole world: and that, which containeth all things, hath knowledge of the voice. Therefore he that speaketh unjust things cannot be hid, neither shall the chastising judgment pass him by. For inquisition shall be made into the thoughts of the ungodly: and the hearing of his words shall come to God, to the chastising of his iniquities. For the ear of jealousy heareth all things, and the tumult of murmuring shall not be hid.[/i]
No heretic has the power to generate children in Christ. Bergoglio is not our 'holy father.' He is antichrist. It is impossible that Jesus Christ would command us to revere him in any way, lest the entire bulwark of the Faith come crashing down in perfidious self-contradiction.
No! J. Paul is correct. Domitilla is correct. Either fight the beast with the sword of direct speech or take an early retirement.
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I ask this question in all sincerity: Does Jesus Christ command us to address an antichrist heretic as 'your holiness?'
Does He?
Are empty and vacuous honors paid to an ostensible office of greater weight than real significations of words?
When we say words that fail to signify reality, do we not give scandal?
Why did the SSPX fall? It fell mostly because its words did not signify reality. I don't think that God very much likes dissimulation.
Someone sent me a quote today. Our Lord once said to St. Theresa: "Knowest thou what it is to love Me in truth? It is to realize that everything which is not pleasing to Me is a lie". (Life, 40)
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for most people, it was never about sspxism. we believed sspx were fighting the good fight, for the defense of the Faith. we didnt wake up one day,and decide, they were not. the changes were subtle and even decietful, then wham! so the reasons we ran from the concilliars, are now the reason we run from sspx, we see they have become as hierlings, and we rightly, run for our lives. if we hear the familar words of defense of Doctrine, from resistance priests, are we not to listen, and find some consolation,... knowing only God can help us now.
I too was secure in believing that the Society was defending and upholding the whole of the Catholic Religion. In my spiritually parched being I did not look beyond what was a feeling of being once again Catholic and finding myself once again among other Catholics and I overlooked certain doctrinally soft positions and attitudes in favor of seeing the overall Catholic patina which was present upon the Society.
It was quite hard to come to terms with the changes that were happening, but the detractive hand grenade period and the undeniable introduction of Jєωιѕн influence into the heart of the SSPX molested me into reality.
I am still heartbroken that the dream has de-materialized but that is now also undeniable.
Regardless of our attachments and sentimentalities, it is over. It is of no profit to waste the precious moments granted us by the Most High to mourn or cogitate over the dilution of the Society. The players in the farcical tragedy such as Bishop Fellay, Benedict, the mossad inspired attorney, or the defending new priesthood when viewed objectively are really clownish figures not worthy of dwelling upon.
Those who do not gathereth with Him, scattereth and we are not interested in the scatterers except to shoo them away.
That is the path upon which the SSPX now treads.
Hear the good words of the resistance when you can but if they so choose do not follow behind them in pursuit of the SSPX. To do so will keep your eyes on the small annoying fish while the sharks are left unmolested.
Authority devouring the faith and souls of men.
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for most people, it was never about sspxism. we believed sspx were fighting the good fight, for the defense of the Faith. we didnt wake up one day,and decide, they were not. the changes were subtle and even decietful, then wham! so the reasons we ran from the concilliars, are now the reason we run from sspx, we see they have become as hierlings, and we rightly, run for our lives. if we hear the familar words of defense of Doctrine, from resistance priests, are we not to listen, and find some consolation,... knowing only God can help us now.
I too was secure in believing that the Society was defending and upholding the whole of the Catholic Religion. In my spiritually parched being I did not look beyond what was a feeling of being once again Catholic and finding myself once again among other Catholics and I overlooked certain doctrinally soft positions and attitudes in favor of seeing the overall Catholic patina which was present upon the Society.
It was quite hard to come to terms with the changes that were happening, but the detractive hand grenade period and the undeniable introduction of Jєωιѕн influence into the heart of the SSPX molested me into reality.
I am still heartbroken that the dream has de-materialized but that is now also undeniable.
Regardless of our attachments and sentimentalities, it is over. It is of no profit to waste the precious moments granted us by the Most High to mourn or cogitate over the dilution of the Society. The players in the farcical tragedy such as Bishop Fellay, Benedict, the mossad inspired attorney, or the defending new priesthood when viewed objectively are really clownish figures not worthy of dwelling upon.
Those who do not gathereth with Him, scattereth and we are not interested in the scatterers except to shoo them away.
That is the path upon which the SSPX now treads.
Hear the good words of the resistance when you can but if they so choose do not follow behind them in pursuit of the SSPX. To do so will keep your eyes on the small annoying fish while the sharks are left unmolested.
Authority devouring the faith and souls of men.
This was the post I couldn't find earlier.
:applause:
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Cantatedomino,
FROM AN EMAIL I SENT RECENTLY: Tradition – as faithful remnant – must continue as it always has.....etc
This is an intently insightful vision of the state of the Church and the crisis within Tradition. It is quite raw in its presentation but Truth is what it is, and the time of timidity and prudential offerings of the same has failed as it must and and sculpting or adulterating of reality is tantamount to a denial of God Himself. All truth and objective reality is of His perfection and cannot be manipulated without unimagined consequences befalling the perpetrators and all who culpably allow it to stand.
Here it takes a critically thinking Catholic woman to speak what has not occurred to the parochial minded warriors of Tradition:
The men of the so-called resistance appear to my eyes as narcissistic navel gazers, curled up in the fetal position and sucking their thumbs in some remote corner of the Church, whilst the devils gnaw on the flesh of their God-entrusted sheep.
Why do I say narcissistic and navel-gazing? The dictionary defines navel gazing as "complacent self-absorption; concentration on a single issue at the expense of a wider view;" while it defines narcissism as "excessive interest in oneself." Let us ask ourselves, does God, Whom we are commanded to imitate, think in terms of the SSPX or in terms of His Church? Indeed, God has shown the world what He thinks of the SSPX. He thinks it is worthy only of being cast out, and trodden on by men. He has caused it to suffer the same shameful unmasking and abandonment of the larger novus ordo system it inhabits. The SSPX is novus ordo - this is what God hath revealed to men.
We know what God thinks of the SSPX - He left it. And no sooner did He reveal to the world that He left it, did He give unto the world the very real gift of Bergoglio.