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Offline JPaul

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The Conciliar sect, Is it another religion?
« on: November 01, 2013, 07:38:55 AM »
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  • http://www.miamiarch.org/ip.asp?op=Article_13102810144642

    A Conciliar Cardinal describes their religion.  Where is the condemnation from Menzingen? Where is the condemnation from the Resistance in Florida?

    An example:
    "  The Second Vatican Council was the main event in the Church in the 20th Century. In principle, it meant an end to the hostilities between the Church and modernism, which was condemned in the First Vatican Council. On the contrary: neither the world is the realm of evil and sin –these are conclusions clearly achieved in Vatican II—nor is the Church the sole refuge of good and virtue. Modernism was, most of the time, a reaction against injustices and abuses that disparaged the dignity and the rights of the person. "


    Is this your Church?


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    « Reply #1 on: November 01, 2013, 09:09:12 AM »
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  • Yes


    Offline SeanJohnson

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    The Conciliar sect, Is it another religion?
    « Reply #2 on: November 01, 2013, 12:58:55 PM »
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  • Quote from: J.Paul
    http://www.miamiarch.org/ip.asp?op=Article_13102810144642

    A Conciliar Cardinal describes their religion.  Where is the condemnation from Menzingen? Where is the condemnation from the Resistance in Florida?

    An example:
    "  The Second Vatican Council was the main event in the Church in the 20th Century. In principle, it meant an end to the hostilities between the Church and modernism, which was condemned in the First Vatican Council. On the contrary: neither the world is the realm of evil and sin –these are conclusions clearly achieved in Vatican II—nor is the Church the sole refuge of good and virtue. Modernism was, most of the time, a reaction against injustices and abuses that disparaged the dignity and the rights of the person. "


    Is this your Church?


    Where is the condemnation from Bishop Williamson or Fr. Pfeiffer?

    My point:

    This trash just came out on the 28th.

    Do you expect the SSPX or the Resistance to keep up with, and denounce, every utterance of modernism that comes out of Rome?

    They would have to employ 50 full-time staffers to keep up with all the garbage Rome is putting out.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    The Conciliar sect, Is it another religion?
    « Reply #3 on: November 01, 2013, 01:14:39 PM »
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  • Yes, it is a sect, it lacks the marks of the Church, so it is not the Church.
    The Council of Trent, The Catechism of the Council of Trent, Papal Teaching, The Teaching of the Holy Office, The Teaching of the Church Fathers, The Code of Canon Law, Countless approved catechisms, The Doctors of the Church, The teaching of the Dogmatic

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    The Conciliar sect, Is it another religion?
    « Reply #4 on: November 01, 2013, 01:27:17 PM »
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  • It is a new religion where it believes in universal salvation and accepts the Second Vatican Council but rejects all the other councils.
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    « Reply #5 on: November 01, 2013, 02:24:46 PM »
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  • I wouldn't put it past the SSPX priory in Florida to not say anything negative. They've been neutered.

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    « Reply #6 on: November 01, 2013, 02:43:05 PM »
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  • It has a Catholic history and the errors subsist in mass ignorance, so those who are not ignorant of the faith who are within the conciliar church could have the faith - the usual orthodox indult priest for example.

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    « Reply #7 on: November 01, 2013, 02:59:45 PM »
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  • Quote from: soulguard
    It has a Catholic history and the errors subsist in mass ignorance...


    Just as the Church of Christ subsists in the Catholic Church?
    "This principle is most certain: The non-Christian cannot in any way be Pope. The reason for this is that he cannot be head of what he is not a member. Now, he who is not a Christian is not a member of the Church, and a manifest heretic is not a Christian, as is clearly taught by St. Cyprian, St. Athanasius, St. Augustine, St. Jerome, and others. Therefore, the manifest heretic cannot be Pope." -- St. Robert Bellarmine


    Offline LoverOfTradition

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    « Reply #8 on: November 01, 2013, 06:54:43 PM »
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  • No, this isn't my Church.

    My Church is the One, True Church, not the Counciliar Church, which began a new religion.

    Offline JPaul

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    « Reply #9 on: November 01, 2013, 08:59:13 PM »
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  • Quote from: SeanJohnson
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    http://www.miamiarch.org/ip.asp?op=Article_13102810144642

    A Conciliar Cardinal describes their religion.  Where is the condemnation from Menzingen? Where is the condemnation from the Resistance in Florida?

    An example:
    "  The Second Vatican Council was the main event in the Church in the 20th Century. In principle, it meant an end to the hostilities between the Church and modernism, which was condemned in the First Vatican Council. On the contrary: neither the world is the realm of evil and sin –these are conclusions clearly achieved in Vatican II—nor is the Church the sole refuge of good and virtue. Modernism was, most of the time, a reaction against injustices and abuses that disparaged the dignity and the rights of the person. "


    Is this your Church?


    Where is the condemnation from Bishop Williamson or Fr. Pfeiffer?

    My point:

    This trash just came out on the 28th.

    Do you expect the SSPX or the Resistance to keep up with, and denounce, every utterance of modernism that comes out of Rome?

    They would have to employ 50 full-time staffers to keep up with all the garbage Rome is putting out.


    The dog won't hunt.   It seems that there are enough staffers to keep them apprised of every utterance of the Roi de Menzigen.
    It is a matter of focus and what is deemed important enough to know.

    It is the time now to hound and harass these apostate Bishops every time that they begin to spout their heresies and errors on the national and international level.
    Is there no one left who will defend the Church from these predations???

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    « Reply #10 on: November 03, 2013, 03:17:39 AM »
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  • Quote from: J.Paul
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    Quote from: J.Paul
    http://www.miamiarch.org/ip.asp?op=Article_13102810144642

    A Conciliar Cardinal describes their religion.  Where is the condemnation from Menzingen? Where is the condemnation from the Resistance in Florida?

    An example:
    "  The Second Vatican Council was the main event in the Church in the 20th Century. In principle, it meant an end to the hostilities between the Church and modernism, which was condemned in the First Vatican Council. On the contrary: neither the world is the realm of evil and sin –these are conclusions clearly achieved in Vatican II—nor is the Church the sole refuge of good and virtue. Modernism was, most of the time, a reaction against injustices and abuses that disparaged the dignity and the rights of the person. "


    Is this your Church?


    Where is the condemnation from Bishop Williamson or Fr. Pfeiffer?

    My point:

    This trash just came out on the 28th.

    Do you expect the SSPX or the Resistance to keep up with, and denounce, every utterance of modernism that comes out of Rome?

    They would have to employ 50 full-time staffers to keep up with all the garbage Rome is putting out.


    The dog won't hunt.   It seems that there are enough staffers to keep them apprised of every utterance of the Roi de Menzigen.
    It is a matter of focus and what is deemed important enough to know.

    It is the time now to hound and harass these apostate Bishops every time that they begin to spout their heresies and errors on the national and international level.
    Is there no one left who will defend the Church from these predations???



    I am reminded of the ACLU and the ADL -- whenever someone comes
    out with a public statement that these types don't like, their rubber
    meets the road with howls of "anti-Semitism!!"  They're so predictable
    that way, to the point where you just know that it won't take but a few
    hours for their reaction to go public.  

    The fact that they are relentless is what has gradually brought down
    their opposition, because eventually it gets to be tiresome to see the
    reaction happen, to the point where you just know that it will happen.  

    If the Resistance took that approach, maybe it would have an impact,
    but like SeanJohn says, it would require a staff of sentries whose job
    it is to keep tabs day in and day out.  


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    « Reply #11 on: November 03, 2013, 09:13:20 AM »
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    I am reminded of the ACLU and the ADL -- whenever someone comes
     out with a public statement that these types don't like, their rubber
     meets the road with howls of "anti-Semitism!!"  They're so predictable
     that way, to the point where you just know that it won't take but a few
     hours for their reaction to go public.  

     The fact that they are relentless is what has gradually brought down
     their opposition, because eventually it gets to be tiresome to see the
     reaction happen, to the point where you just know that it will happen.  

     If the Resistance took that approach, maybe it would have an impact,
     but like SeanJohn says, it would require a staff of sentries whose job
     it is to keep tabs day in and day out.  



    That is hogwash and an excuse. The resistance has no trouble being an SSPX ADL and sermonizing over every stutter of Bishop Fellay.

    The real battle for the faith awaits outside of the confines of the SSPX sphere. The question is when are they going to leave the training ground  and join it?

    Should there be Catholic congregations and groups which are on a constant offensive against the Conciliar sect and its Father? You bet! relentless and unceasing, dedicated and of singular purpose. But are there any?

    I don't think that there will be any at any time soon. There is apparently no stomach for the larger fight.

    I would ask again, Is there no one left who will defend the Church from these predations?

    From the last few responses, I would conclude the answer to be no.

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    « Reply #12 on: November 03, 2013, 06:47:21 PM »
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  • J. Paul,

    I appreciated your and Holly's comments on the resistance thread. I believe that you are undertaking a good work by trying to bring to light the overarching problem with the traditionalist movement as a whole.

    Your soul is Catholic and so is your thinking.

    To answer your question: The conciliar sect is the ѕуηαgσgυє of satan, and antichrist, and quintessentially not Catholic. Were it Catholic we would never have gone out from the visible structure, which it captured and enslaved, to upbuild the Church and transmit the Faith in the hinterlands.

    The Catholic Church has one mark, which is the summa of the Four Marks; and that is the mark of the transmission of the Faith. Wherever the Faith is transmitted, there is the Church - because it is impossible to transmit the Faith without the Mystical Union of the Head with His Members: the Vine with the attached branches.  

    It its Holy Essence, the Church is a fecundity.
     
    Now does the conciliar sect transmit the Faith? A resounding 'no' is the answer. The conciliar sect has for its raison d'etre to abort the Faith before it can come to fruition in souls and/or to murder it in souls who once believed. Ergo the conciliar sect is not the Church.

    As you are so wise to point out, too, too many traditional priests are content to fiddle with puerile, internecine grudges and grievances while the Church burns to the ground, were that possible.

    There has come into the world an indescribable and manifold abyss of satanic error, which the Church is ordained by God to engage in mortal combat. You talked about the need for the formation of a new and dynamic Catholic order, not some retread of the old SSPX, to defend against the onslaught of error choking the very life out of the lungs of the all the nations.  

    Let's face it - the SSPX, good though it was, did not defend against all the errors. It mainly defended against the errors of religious indifferentism. It never waged war against the heresy and schism of theological, philosophical, and scientific evolution, which is the arch principle of the revolution against the Lord and against His Christ.

    The hour is late. Five more years of SSPX-style "defense" of the Faith, and the world of 2013 will look like Christendom.

    Either we seriously re-calibrate and start defending the entire deposit of the Faith - either we attack the errors of scientism head on - or God will pour down fire from Heaven to purge the earth of all the filth.  

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    « Reply #13 on: November 03, 2013, 07:02:34 PM »
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  • And another thing:

    Johnson and what he refers to as the "external resistance," are flip sides of the same coin, just as are capitalism and communism. All of Johnson's comments amount to no more than a circular dialecticism.  

    The essential orientation of both Johnson and the "external" resistance is not Church-centrism, but SSPX-centrism. The alpha and the omega of these ostensibly dichotomous positions are exactly the same - the SSPX.

    Both begin with a false principle - J. Paul spoke brilliantly on this problem in the other thread - and both will end in ruin.

    Sean Johnson is not espousing accordism. He is espousing SSPX-ism.

    I want no part of that. I stand with J. Paul, a real Catholic man, and not with fantasy-minded, enclave-luving pansies.

    P.S. No, Johnson, I'm not calling you a pansy. But I do say that SSPX-ism, left unchecked, is pansy seed cuм fertilizer.

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    « Reply #14 on: November 03, 2013, 07:03:44 PM »
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  • Quote from: J.Paul
    The resistance has no trouble being an SSPX ADL and sermonizing over every stutter of Bishop Fellay.

    The real battle for the faith awaits outside of the confines of the SSPX sphere. The question is when are they going to leave the training ground  and join it?

    Should there be Catholic congregations and groups which are on a constant offensive against the Conciliar sect and its Father? You bet! relentless and unceasing, dedicated and of singular purpose. But are there any?

    I don't think that there will be any at any time soon. There is apparently no stomach for the larger fight.

    I would ask again, Is there no one left who will defend the Church from these predations?

    From the last few responses, I would conclude the answer to be no.


    Awesome post!