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Offline crossbro

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« Reply #15 on: January 03, 2014, 10:11:29 AM »
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  • I went to confession 35 times last year.

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    « Reply #16 on: January 03, 2014, 10:53:56 AM »
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    I haven't either, I'm just trying to understand the difference between refusing to attend mass as a rule by a priest who is NOT excommunicated, an heretic or a schismatic and going to confession to them.

    Listen to Fr. Pfeiffer's explanation here:

    http://www.ecclesiamilitans.com/2013/08/24/the-sspx-is-in-the-same-theological-boat-as-the-fssp/


    Did Fr. Pfeiffer mention confession in this sermon?  If so, at what point in the recording?

    Listen to the whole thing; it is only 8 minutes.


    I did, but if he mentioned the distinction between confession and Mass per Mith's question, I missed it.  I didn't hear him mention confession.  



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    « Reply #17 on: January 03, 2014, 05:11:16 PM »
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    I haven't either, I'm just trying to understand the difference between refusing to attend mass as a rule by a priest who is NOT excommunicated, an heretic or a schismatic and going to confession to them.

    Listen to Fr. Pfeiffer's explanation here:

    http://www.ecclesiamilitans.com/2013/08/24/the-sspx-is-in-the-same-theological-boat-as-the-fssp/


    Did Fr. Pfeiffer mention confession in this sermon?  If so, at what point in the recording?

    Listen to the whole thing; it is only 8 minutes.


    I did, but if he mentioned the distinction between confession and Mass per Mith's question, I missed it.  I didn't hear him mention confession.  


    I apologize.  You are correct.  Check out this link instead:

    http://www.ecclesiamilitans.com/2014/01/03/priests-and-faithful-ought-not-to-support-the-neo-sspx-fr-joseph-pfeiffer/

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    « Reply #18 on: January 03, 2014, 05:18:58 PM »
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  • Interesting replies here. I haven't actually heard of anyone trying to tell someone that they shouldn't go to confession to an SSPX priest, but I have reason to suspect that that is the position of some who attend Resistance Masses. It's a good point to have clarified regardless.

    Another point is that mortal sin is not the only reason why someone should go to confession. Souls are very delicate, and someone committing venial sins or even suffering strong temptations can be greatly helped by a good confession.

    Temptations of course are not sins, but simply the act of bringing them into the Light can be quite beneficial, in addition to any advice the priest might give. I have personal experience on this one.

    Mother of God, pray for us sinners.

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    « Reply #19 on: January 03, 2014, 07:11:24 PM »
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  •  Fr. Pfeiffer has mentioned in the past that we can go to confession to any valid priest because confession is not a public sacrament, whereas the Mass is.

    As a warning though, I have encountered liberalism in the confessional of our local SSPX chapel. The priest has said that we shouldn't bother to confess our venial sins, that this and that are not sins, and he encourages the use of NFP! Beware! (Maybe he's just an extreme case.)

    I am especially cautious when sending my children to the SSPX confessionals (especially at our chapel)...they might be told that it's not a sin to steal from the cookie jar anymore!


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    « Reply #20 on: January 03, 2014, 11:15:17 PM »
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    Then are you okay with going to a Mass of an FSSP priest who left the SSPX after ordination who does not impart error or heterodoxy at Mass?


    Did I say that?  With an FSSP there is always the issue of Mass taking place in a church which has been profaned by the Great sacrilege. By necessity and if the conditions previously mentioned are fulfilled and if there is no grave inconvenience you are obliged to fulfill your duty at Mass. One may assist at a sede Mass as well under the same conditions.

    One should not tailor his spiritual life around the antics of Bishop Fellay  or the fraternal warfare between the SSPX and the resistance.
    There are much bigger things in the Church for which we might be concerned.
    Folks need to get back to being just Catholics and not partisans. Heaven and your final end is the only matter of importance.

    And for the parents and guardians of the children, so much more so.

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    « Reply #21 on: January 04, 2014, 07:01:29 AM »
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    Fr. Pfeiffer has mentioned in the past that we can go to confession to any valid priest because confession is not a public sacrament, whereas the Mass is.

    The individual confession is not public; this is true.  However, all sacraments are official acts of the Church.

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    « Reply #22 on: January 04, 2014, 07:04:26 AM »
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    Then are you okay with going to a Mass of an FSSP priest who left the SSPX after ordination who does not impart error or heterodoxy at Mass?


    Did I say that?  With an FSSP there is always the issue of Mass taking place in a church which has been profaned by the Great sacrilege. By necessity and if the conditions previously mentioned are fulfilled and if there is no grave inconvenience you are obliged to fulfill your duty at Mass. One may assist at a sede Mass as well under the same conditions.

    One should not tailor his spiritual life around the antics of Bishop Fellay  or the fraternal warfare between the SSPX and the resistance.
    There are much bigger things in the Church for which we might be concerned.
    Folks need to get back to being just Catholics and not partisans. Heaven and your final end is the only matter of importance.

    And for the parents and guardians of the children, so much more so.

    The argument put forth by the former SSPX has to do with the FSSP's official principles.  The same argument can now be directed towards the neo-SSPX because their official principles have changed, whether de jure (6 Conditions) or de facto (April 15, 2012 Doctrinal Declaration).


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    « Reply #23 on: January 04, 2014, 09:48:12 AM »
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    Then are you okay with going to a Mass of an FSSP priest who left the SSPX after ordination who does not impart error or heterodoxy at Mass?


    Did I say that?  With an FSSP there is always the issue of Mass taking place in a church which has been profaned by the Great sacrilege. By necessity and if the conditions previously mentioned are fulfilled and if there is no grave inconvenience you are obliged to fulfill your duty at Mass. One may assist at a sede Mass as well under the same conditions.

    One should not tailor his spiritual life around the antics of Bishop Fellay  or the fraternal warfare between the SSPX and the resistance.
    There are much bigger things in the Church for which we might be concerned.
    Folks need to get back to being just Catholics and not partisans. Heaven and your final end is the only matter of importance.

    And for the parents and guardians of the children, so much more so.

    The argument put forth by the former SSPX has to do with the FSSP's official principles.  The same argument can now be directed towards the neo-SSPX because their official principles have changed, whether de jure (6 Conditions) or de facto (April 15, 2012 Doctrinal Declaration).


    Regardless of what justifications are given it is an objective fact that these partisan endeavours are contributing to the ghettoization of Traditionalists into closed enclaves which are unable to contribute to the restoration of the Church and causing great spiritual confusion among ordinary souls such as the original poster here, having been bullied into the position of wondering if they must wait for a resistance priest to confess a mortal sin, placing their soul in eternal peril over squabbles among the SPX factions.

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    « Reply #24 on: January 04, 2014, 10:15:50 AM »
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    Then are you okay with going to a Mass of an FSSP priest who left the SSPX after ordination who does not impart error or heterodoxy at Mass?


    Did I say that?  With an FSSP there is always the issue of Mass taking place in a church which has been profaned by the Great sacrilege. By necessity and if the conditions previously mentioned are fulfilled and if there is no grave inconvenience you are obliged to fulfill your duty at Mass. One may assist at a sede Mass as well under the same conditions.

    One should not tailor his spiritual life around the antics of Bishop Fellay  or the fraternal warfare between the SSPX and the resistance.
    There are much bigger things in the Church for which we might be concerned.
    Folks need to get back to being just Catholics and not partisans. Heaven and your final end is the only matter of importance.

    And for the parents and guardians of the children, so much more so.

    The argument put forth by the former SSPX has to do with the FSSP's official principles.  The same argument can now be directed towards the neo-SSPX because their official principles have changed, whether de jure (6 Conditions) or de facto (April 15, 2012 Doctrinal Declaration).


    Regardless of what justifications are given it is an objective fact that these partisan endeavours are contributing to the ghettoization of Traditionalists into closed enclaves which are unable to contribute to the restoration of the Church and causing great spiritual confusion among ordinary souls such as the original poster here, having been bullied into the position of wondering if they must wait for a resistance priest to confess a mortal sin, placing their soul in eternal peril over squabbles among the SPX factions.

    Listen here to what Fr. Pfeiffer says about going to confession:

    http://www.ecclesiamilitans.com/2014/01/03/priests-and-faithful-ought-not-to-support-the-neo-sspx-fr-joseph-pfeiffer/