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Franciscan Solitary · « **Reply #15 on:** December 13, 2014, 12:00:06 AM »

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I wish someone would give a synopsis of the interview with the Bishop for us. He looked much too happy and flattered to be there. Perhaps he has forgotten all that this European Parliament has done to strip Europe of all that remains of its Catholic heritage. Not to mention the member country's rights to determine their own laws such as those that outlaw abortion or ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity. To see a nativity scene there is quite a contradiction to their agenda. One has to wonder how it came about.

Bishop Fellay is at the European Parliament because he has the courage to enter the Lion's Den.

Bishop Fellay says the Nativity Creche in the public spaces of Europe and America is simple honesty. He says everything those nations have become they owe to the Nativity of Our Lord Jesus Christ and the public Nativity Creche is simple recognition of this truth such that even atheists ought to be able to recognise the fact. He says this requires courage. These are sufficiently hard words and he speaks them well with a friendly smile.

His words here show him to be a man who is not lacking in courage. In this video he shows himself to be a bishop of the Church of Rome. He shows he is worthy of respect.

He is some sort of Jesuit and I am a Franciscan, but despite everything I must respect him for what he does in this video. And when some sort of Jesuit like Bishop Fellay commands the respect of a Franciscan like me, then he is entitled to the respect of every Catholic. He is entitled to our respect.

May the Good Lord bless Bishop Fellay!

Or is the bishop responding to changes in the general political mood in Europe? Participation in events like this would be at the invitation of members and one is tempted to wonder whether the local bishop was conveniently too busy to attend on this occasion. I am sure Bp. Williamson would have given the assembled party more for their money though such a wonderful prospect would have been too politically charged! Perhaps being reminded of their Christian heritage is quite innocuous if such sentiments are intended to apply to the past and dare not impose themselves on the present!

Dear Mr. Wessex:

Of course this is a response to changes in the general political mood in Europe! And in the world as well. Bishop Fellay is nothing if not a canny Jesuit-like diplomat with his wetted finger always raised up and carefully testing the latest breeze. He is the embodiment of Jesuit cautiousness. This Nativity blessing is not innocuous either: Bishop Fellay is not only appearing with the French leader of Civitas, the dread bête noire of the French Republic, but also with the foremost political representative of Italian Fascism in present day Rome. Rest assured that nothing could be less innocuous than this episcopal blessing.

An invocation of the Prince of Peace at the European Parliament addresses the rising concern with the Anglo-Zionist campaign to promote a general European war between the West and the Russian Federation. Their warmongering is not going down well among many members of the European Parliament who are not immune to epochal political tsunamis such as the one we (and they) are currently living through.

The continent-reshaping earthquake has now already utterly destroyed the Ratzingerians and with their destruction new forces within the Church must come to the fore. The best name to designate this new force is not far to seek: His Excellency Bishop Tissier de Mallerais. One might say that the good Bishop de Mallerais has, so to speak, won the contest over the future direction of the Catholic world. Therefore from now on the cautious Bishop Fellay is going to most carefully follow the directions set out for him by the masterful Bishop de Mallerais. This is what happens when one has won a great spiritual war as Bishop de Mallerais has now done.

Methinks that with the spiritual guidance of men such as Bishop de Mallerais in the background the prospects of Civitas and Italian Fascism are anything but not daring to impose themselves on the present. Au contraire. The blessedly diplomatic Bishop Fellay has set himself firmly on the crest of the wave of contemporary European society and civilisation and must now ride that wave onwards and upwards to smash through the very Gates of Hell and beyond. There is no turning back. The die is cast and this contest is going to be for all or nothing. But have no doubts: Bishop Fellay is no man's fool. He is under the masterful guidance of Bishop de Mallerais while Our Father in Heaven has the spiralling and terrifying European cataclysm well in hand.

Where all this leaves our ambitious Oxbridge Bishop Williamson this lowly writer must leave for you to determine.

Nishant · « **Reply #16 on:** December 13, 2014, 01:16:45 AM »

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He is some sort of Jesuit and I am a Franciscan, but despite everything I must respect him for what he does in this video. And when some sort of Jesuit like Bishop Fellay commands the respect of a Franciscan like me, then he is entitled to the respect of every Catholic. He is entitled to our respect.

Agreed. Bishop Fellay is doing everything a traditional Catholic Bishop should do, working for the restoration of all things in Christ, and the return of Christian civilization, like Archbishop Lefebvre did before him. In this era secularized nations are ashamed of their Christian roots, and want to ban every public display of that heritage from the Creche to the Crucifix. The truth is that almost everything that even the godless recognize to constitute true civilization, from countless social works like charities, hospitals, schools, universities that the Church developed and established, to beautiful art and architecture, and so much else that the West knows and has inherited and still values today, owe their origin and development to Christianity. Thomas Woods, a traditional Catholic, docuмents this fact in "How the Catholic Church built western civilization". The recognition of the invaluable debt society and culture owes to Christianity would be the first step in coming back to acknowledge the Kingship of Christ over our societies and civilization.

Indeed, granted that so many nations in Europe, the Americas and Russia have a rich Christian tradition, what a great thing it would be if those nations joined together to publicly acknowledge their debt to Christianity, and recognized it as foundational and intrinsic to true civilization. The flag of the EU, with its twelve stars, was actually designed by two Catholics, and is meant to represent the Sovereign Queenship of Our Blessed Lady over society, though that is impiously ignored today. Not that that is likely to happen any time soon, but because secularists foolishly and absurdly say "religion is divisive" or some such nonsense, the fact rather is that a recognition of common Christian roots would greatly unite three otherwise and currently disunited world powers.

Quote from: Archbhishop Lefebvre

If we look back through history, we see immediately that what I have been speaking of took place in our own countries in the first centuries after Constantine. For we too, are, in our origins, converts. Our ancestors were converted, our kings were converted, and down through the centuries they offered their nations to Our Lord Jesus Christ, and they submitted their countries to the Cross of Jesus. They willed too that Mary should be the Queen of their lands.

One can read the admirable writings of St. Edward, King of England, of St. Louis, King of France, of the Holy Roman Emperor, St. Henry, of St. Elizabeth of Hungary, and of all the saints who were at the head of our Catholic nations and who thus helped to make Christianity. What faith they had in the Holy Mass! King St. Louis of France served two Masses every day. If he was traveling and happened to hear church bells ringing to announce the consecration, he would dismount to adore on bended knee the miracle being performed at that moment. There indeed was Catholic civilization! How far from such faith we are now, how far indeed!

hollingsworth · « **Reply #17 on:** December 13, 2014, 03:02:43 PM »

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Bishop Fellay is doing everything a traditional Catholic Bishop should do, working for the restoration of all things in Christ, and the return of Christian civilization, like Archbishop Lefebvre did before him.

Ah, so it is in the interests of restoring all things in Christ that Bp. Fellay has severely disciplined numbers of his priests and run others out of the sspx altogether. Bp Williamson himself, one might reasonably speculate, was punished and eventually cast out because somehow the good bishop impeded "the return of Christian civilization." Additionally, perhaps it may have been that the SG came to the rescue of "our elder brothers" because he perceived that some of H.E.'s attitudes and public utterances were preventing the restoration of Jєωιѕн civilization. Why couldn't the Archbishop have caught up with Bp. Williamson many years ago? Why could Lefebvre not have seen then that his wayward bishop was, by his actions, slowing the course of true restoration? And why, if Bp. Fellay is doing everything he should do, have so many left sspx? My wife and I have abandoned him and his movement, and don't even care to look back.

Pilar · « **Reply #18 on:** December 14, 2014, 02:18:16 AM »

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Bishop Fellay is doing everything a traditional Catholic Bishop should do, working for the restoration of all things in Christ, and the return of Christian civilization, like Archbishop Lefebvre did before him.

Ah, so it is in the interests of restoring all things in Christ that Bp. Fellay has severely disciplined numbers of his priests and run others out of the sspx altogether. Bp Williamson himself, one might reasonably speculate, was punished and eventually cast out because somehow the good bishop impeded "the return of Christian civilization." Additionally, perhaps it may have been that the SG came to the rescue of "our elder brothers" because he perceived that some of H.E.'s attitudes and public utterances were preventing the restoration of Jєωιѕн civilization. Why couldn't the Archbishop have caught up with Bp. Williamson many years ago? Why could Lefebvre not have seen then that his wayward bishop was, by his actions, slowing the course of true restoration? And why, if Bp. Fellay is doing everything he should do, have so many left sspx? My wife and I have abandoned him and his movement, and don't even care to look back.

I don't believe that anyone is saying that Bishop Fellay has made no mistakes. Bishop Williamson has also made mistakes. Regarding why folks leave, over the years even when ABL was alive, there were always times when different groups would get their "knickers in a knot" and leave. When those splits happened, the Society was always stronger afterward until the next group would rise up and do it all over again taking many malcontents but some very good and honestly mislead folks with them. This is the very first time in 34 years that there seemed any real reason for concern. I believe the fog is lifting. In our chapel, we grow by leaps and bounds.

Hollingsworth, had you been with the Society for long?

Wessex · « **Reply #19 on:** December 14, 2014, 06:55:01 AM »

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I wish someone would give a synopsis of the interview with the Bishop for us. He looked much too happy and flattered to be there. Perhaps he has forgotten all that this European Parliament has done to strip Europe of all that remains of its Catholic heritage. Not to mention the member country's rights to determine their own laws such as those that outlaw abortion or ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity. To see a nativity scene there is quite a contradiction to their agenda. One has to wonder how it came about.

Bishop Fellay is at the European Parliament because he has the courage to enter the Lion's Den.

Bishop Fellay says the Nativity Creche in the public spaces of Europe and America is simple honesty. He says everything those nations have become they owe to the Nativity of Our Lord Jesus Christ and the public Nativity Creche is simple recognition of this truth such that even atheists ought to be able to recognise the fact. He says this requires courage. These are sufficiently hard words and he speaks them well with a friendly smile.

His words here show him to be a man who is not lacking in courage. In this video he shows himself to be a bishop of the Church of Rome. He shows he is worthy of respect.

He is some sort of Jesuit and I am a Franciscan, but despite everything I must respect him for what he does in this video. And when some sort of Jesuit like Bishop Fellay commands the respect of a Franciscan like me, then he is entitled to the respect of every Catholic. He is entitled to our respect.

May the Good Lord bless Bishop Fellay!

Or is the bishop responding to changes in the general political mood in Europe? Participation in events like this would be at the invitation of members and one is tempted to wonder whether the local bishop was conveniently too busy to attend on this occasion. I am sure Bp. Williamson would have given the assembled party more for their money though such a wonderful prospect would have been too politically charged! Perhaps being reminded of their Christian heritage is quite innocuous if such sentiments are intended to apply to the past and dare not impose themselves on the present!

Dear Mr. Wessex:

Of course this is a response to changes in the general political mood in Europe! And in the world as well. Bishop Fellay is nothing if not a canny Jesuit-like diplomat with his wetted finger always raised up and carefully testing the latest breeze. He is the embodiment of Jesuit cautiousness. This Nativity blessing is not innocuous either: Bishop Fellay is not only appearing with the French leader of Civitas, the dread bête noire of the French Republic, but also with the foremost political representative of Italian Fascism in present day Rome. Rest assured that nothing could be less innocuous than this episcopal blessing.

An invocation of the Prince of Peace at the European Parliament addresses the rising concern with the Anglo-Zionist campaign to promote a general European war between the West and the Russian Federation. Their warmongering is not going down well among many members of the European Parliament who are not immune to epochal political tsunamis such as the one we (and they) are currently living through.

The continent-reshaping earthquake has now already utterly destroyed the Ratzingerians and with their destruction new forces within the Church must come to the fore. The best name to designate this new force is not far to seek: His Excellency Bishop Tissier de Mallerais. One might say that the good Bishop de Mallerais has, so to speak, won the contest over the future direction of the Catholic world. Therefore from now on the cautious Bishop Fellay is going to most carefully follow the directions set out for him by the masterful Bishop de Mallerais. This is what happens when one has won a great spiritual war as Bishop de Mallerais has now done.

Methinks that with the spiritual guidance of men such as Bishop de Mallerais in the background the prospects of Civitas and Italian Fascism are anything but not daring to impose themselves on the present. Au contraire. The blessedly diplomatic Bishop Fellay has set himself firmly on the crest of the wave of contemporary European society and civilisation and must now ride that wave onwards and upwards to smash through the very Gates of Hell and beyond. There is no turning back. The die is cast and this contest is going to be for all or nothing. But have no doubts: Bishop Fellay is no man's fool. He is under the masterful guidance of Bishop de Mallerais while Our Father in Heaven has the spiralling and terrifying European cataclysm well in hand.

Where all this leaves our ambitious Oxbridge Bishop Williamson this lowly writer must leave for you to determine.

I am afraid I do not quite recognise your descriptions of Bps. Fellay and Tissier. I have to make the trend my friend and see the growing alteration in the former since the death of ABL. (We cannot also discount the possibility that he was a Swiss plant from his consecration). As regards Bp. Tissier he has admitted that he lacks the strength for combat and is relying on the obedience route. I suppose Fr. Pfeiffer and Pablo were not that impressed when they dropped by. Are bishops supposed to exile themselves so comfortably?

One would expect the new Society's approach to the European parliament to be different to the old one. In fact one does not have to be particularly Christian to see good things in the history of the Church in Europe. Conversely, the appearance of clergy at Christmas time may merely be adding to the brash tinsel. So, the general public may see such demonstrations as being rather innocuous because the broad culture allows for this but, if you are right in what you say about Bp. F's act of bravery, to sharp observers he is certainly not that prudent being in the company of anti-establishment figures. Uncharacteristically, he seems to be borrowing Bp. W's mantel in this respect.

So, where does this indeed leave Bp. Williamson. With no room to manoeuvre on his self-imposed 'authority' side (cf. Tissier's 'obedience' straight jacket), he can only minister to small isolated unstructured groups that still cling to R & R purity. And of course there is his political and literary work. Have I left anything out?

hollingsworth · « **Reply #20 on:** December 14, 2014, 12:28:53 PM »

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Bishop Fellay is at the European Parliament because he has the courage to enter the Lion's Den.

I dare say that the bishop did not miss a meal on his visit to the EP. In all likelihood, he enjoyed the best cuisine, luxurious hotel accomodations, and the finest wines. If he was in the midst of the "Lion's Den," the lions had apparently been well fed before his arrival and made no attempt to eat His Excellency. I could be wrong, of course. The SG might have stayed at the Brussels equivalent of a Motel 6. He might have dined at McDonalds. He might have drunk Idaho Muscatel from a screw-top bottle. But I doubt it. I imagine that the lions were outwardly quite friendly, purring and rubbing up against his leg. If any of you have been informed otherwise, please recount the details of what may have been for Bp. Fellay during his visit a virtual martyrdom.

ggreg · « **Reply #21 on:** December 14, 2014, 12:58:17 PM »

Not everyone at the European Parlimanent is a lion.

Just most of them.

I doubt the evil ones took him to dinner.

Franciscan Solitary · « **Reply #22 on:** December 14, 2014, 03:39:28 PM »

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Bishop Fellay is at the European Parliament because he has the courage to enter the Lion's Den.

I dare say that the bishop did not miss a meal on his visit to the EP. In all likelihood, he enjoyed the best cuisine, luxurious hotel accomodations, and the finest wines. If he was in the midst of the "Lion's Den," the lions had apparently been well fed before his arrival and made no attempt to eat His Excellency. I could be wrong, of course. The SG might have stayed at the Brussels equivalent of a Motel 6. He might have dined at McDonalds. He might have drunk Idaho Muscatel from a screw-top bottle. But I doubt it. I imagine that the lions were outwardly quite friendly, purring and rubbing up against his leg. If any of you have been informed otherwise, please recount the details of what may have been for Bp. Fellay during his visit a virtual martyrdom.

Mr. Hollingsworth,

We ought not make light of the kindnesses Our Lord may sometimes deign to grant us. When He appears among lions, the voracious felines are always "outwardly quite friendly, purring and rubbing up against his leg." If not, then they would not be emphatically responding to Our Lord in Person, but merely devouring whomever they may sink their claws and fangs into as usual. Hence, for those with eyes to see, the success of Bishop Fellay at the European Parliament is more a sign of miraculous divine intervention than of an appointment at Motel 6 or McDonalds.

By every conceivable human measure Bishop Fellay would not only have missed a meal. He would more likely have been promptly tarred, feathered and run out of town on a gibbet to be cast into the flames rather than be welcomed by (of all people!) the European Parliament. And the political implications were more like a flash of lightning than not: Hence another sure signature of the Divine Presence because when He acts the actual implications are usually profoundly shocking in nature. As they assuredly are in this instance.

For Bishop Fellay to have been martyred at the European Parliament was something only to be expected. That he was instead entirely victorious is what is amazing. So we should not mock and cast stones against the Victories of Our Lord. Instead we would be wise to feel a certain humble trembling. Because if Our Lord is moving a virtual Jesuit like Bishop Fellay to act with such public virtue, what is He expecting from the likes of you and me?

We dare not disappoint Him.

hollingsworth · « **Reply #23 on:** December 14, 2014, 04:05:18 PM »

Pilar:

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I don't believe that anyone is saying that Bishop Fellay has made no mistakes. Bishop Williamson has also made mistakes.

NIshant is saying, apparently that Bp. F. has made no mistakes

nishant:

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Bishop Fellay is doing everything a traditional Catholic Bishop should do, working for the restoration of all things in Christ, and the return of Christian civilization, like Archbishop Lefebvre did before him.

What (glaring) "mistake"s do you believe Bp. Fellay has made? What (glaring) "mistakes" do you believe Bp. Williamson has made?

Elizabeth · « **Reply #24 on:** December 14, 2014, 06:12:24 PM »

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...... (We cannot also discount the possibility that he was a Swiss plant from his consecration). .....

We most certainly can discount the chronic, stupid attempts by various posters to suggest someone they don't like is a plant.

Franciscan Solitary · « **Reply #25 on:** December 14, 2014, 06:59:50 PM »

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I wish someone would give a synopsis of the interview with the Bishop for us. He looked much too happy and flattered to be there. Perhaps he has forgotten all that this European Parliament has done to strip Europe of all that remains of its Catholic heritage. Not to mention the member country's rights to determine their own laws such as those that outlaw abortion or ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity. To see a nativity scene there is quite a contradiction to their agenda. One has to wonder how it came about.

Bishop Fellay is at the European Parliament because he has the courage to enter the Lion's Den.

Bishop Fellay says the Nativity Creche in the public spaces of Europe and America is simple honesty. He says everything those nations have become they owe to the Nativity of Our Lord Jesus Christ and the public Nativity Creche is simple recognition of this truth such that even atheists ought to be able to recognise the fact. He says this requires courage. These are sufficiently hard words and he speaks them well with a friendly smile.

His words here show him to be a man who is not lacking in courage. In this video he shows himself to be a bishop of the Church of Rome. He shows he is worthy of respect.

He is some sort of Jesuit and I am a Franciscan, but despite everything I must respect him for what he does in this video. And when some sort of Jesuit like Bishop Fellay commands the respect of a Franciscan like me, then he is entitled to the respect of every Catholic. He is entitled to our respect.

May the Good Lord bless Bishop Fellay!

Or is the bishop responding to changes in the general political mood in Europe? Participation in events like this would be at the invitation of members and one is tempted to wonder whether the local bishop was conveniently too busy to attend on this occasion. I am sure Bp. Williamson would have given the assembled party more for their money though such a wonderful prospect would have been too politically charged! Perhaps being reminded of their Christian heritage is quite innocuous if such sentiments are intended to apply to the past and dare not impose themselves on the present!

Dear Mr. Wessex:

Of course this is a response to changes in the general political mood in Europe! And in the world as well. Bishop Fellay is nothing if not a canny Jesuit-like diplomat with his wetted finger always raised up and carefully testing the latest breeze. He is the embodiment of Jesuit cautiousness. This Nativity blessing is not innocuous either: Bishop Fellay is not only appearing with the French leader of Civitas, the dread bête noire of the French Republic, but also with the foremost political representative of Italian Fascism in present day Rome. Rest assured that nothing could be less innocuous than this episcopal blessing.

An invocation of the Prince of Peace at the European Parliament addresses the rising concern with the Anglo-Zionist campaign to promote a general European war between the West and the Russian Federation. Their warmongering is not going down well among many members of the European Parliament who are not immune to epochal political tsunamis such as the one we (and they) are currently living through.

The continent-reshaping earthquake has now already utterly destroyed the Ratzingerians and with their destruction new forces within the Church must come to the fore. The best name to designate this new force is not far to seek: His Excellency Bishop Tissier de Mallerais. One might say that the good Bishop de Mallerais has, so to speak, won the contest over the future direction of the Catholic world. Therefore from now on the cautious Bishop Fellay is going to most carefully follow the directions set out for him by the masterful Bishop de Mallerais. This is what happens when one has won a great spiritual war as Bishop de Mallerais has now done.

Methinks that with the spiritual guidance of men such as Bishop de Mallerais in the background the prospects of Civitas and Italian Fascism are anything but not daring to impose themselves on the present. Au contraire. The blessedly diplomatic Bishop Fellay has set himself firmly on the crest of the wave of contemporary European society and civilisation and must now ride that wave onwards and upwards to smash through the very Gates of Hell and beyond. There is no turning back. The die is cast and this contest is going to be for all or nothing. But have no doubts: Bishop Fellay is no man's fool. He is under the masterful guidance of Bishop de Mallerais while Our Father in Heaven has the spiralling and terrifying European cataclysm well in hand.

Where all this leaves our ambitious Oxbridge Bishop Williamson this lowly writer must leave for you to determine.

I am afraid I do not quite recognise your descriptions of Bps. Fellay and Tissier. I have to make the trend my friend and see the growing alteration in the former since the death of ABL. (We cannot also discount the possibility that he was a Swiss plant from his consecration). As regards Bp. Tissier he has admitted that he lacks the strength for combat and is relying on the obedience route. I suppose Fr. Pfeiffer and Pablo were not that impressed when they dropped by. Are bishops supposed to exile themselves so comfortably?

One would expect the new Society's approach to the European parliament to be different to the old one. In fact one does not have to be particularly Christian to see good things in the history of the Church in Europe. Conversely, the appearance of clergy at Christmas time may merely be adding to the brash tinsel. So, the general public may see such demonstrations as being rather innocuous because the broad culture allows for this but, if you are right in what you say about Bp. F's act of bravery, to sharp observers he is certainly not that prudent being in the company of anti-establishment figures. Uncharacteristically, he seems to be borrowing Bp. W's mantel in this respect.

So, where does this indeed leave Bp. Williamson. With no room to manoeuvre on his self-imposed 'authority' side (cf. Tissier's 'obedience' straight jacket), he can only minister to small isolated unstructured groups that still cling to R & R purity. And of course there is his political and literary work. Have I left anything out?

No one can deny that Bishop Fellay has more than a little of the opportune Jesuit in him. But what is he doing with the talents the Lord has given him? His diplomacy is dividing the existing Novus Ordo in two and reorienting tens of millions of Catholic souls scandalised by the current occupant of the Chair of Peter (whatever Pope/Bishop/Journalist Francis/Bergoglio may be calling himself at the moment) towards Tradition. We are certainly witnessing the greatest changes in the Church since V-2 and the many who can be turned towards Tradition are being so turned. That is happening very largely thanks to the deft diplomacy of Bishop Fellay. Therefore he may be a Jesuit, but what a Jesuit! As is said, he's "our" Jesuit.

One fears that nowadays anything to do with Christmas is far from innocuous. In their current hysteria against Christmas, the masses are truly baying for the blood of Christians. In Europe and North America at present Baby Jesus is (horrible to tell) the most universally hated thing out there. So Bishop Fellay's championing of Baby Jesus with key leaders of the Anti-Establishment at the ground zero of European politics is not exactly a sign of half-hearted timidity. Bishop Fellay is a brilliant world-class diplomat. He borrows the mantel of Bishop Williamson when it suits his diplomatic purpose, and he smiles and amuses politicians when that suits best. He is a born diplomat. He does St. Ignatius of Loyola proud.

In my estimate nothing Bishop Fellay has done has been outside the historic perimeters of normal Jesuit behaviour. That may offend us and he is no doubt an unlikely candidate for canonisation in future (to put it gently) but he is doing his duty, making great use of his abundant talents and clearly has the humility to accept advice from some men better than himself (such as Bishop Tissier de Mallerais).

Which means that Holy Mother Church has great need of non-Jesuits as well. Zeal must complement the diplomatic cautiousness of Bishop Fellay. Perhaps Bishop Williamson might resist a little more and recognise a little less? That is what Bishop Fellay now seems to be doing, evidently at the behest of Bishop de Mallerais who in his extraordinary humility appears to be quietly correcting many of the excessive compromises in the S.S.P.X. during recent years.

Surely the less said about Pablo the better, but those who want to place more emphasis on the Kingship of Christ might do well to learn from Bishop Fellay's cooperation with prominent Pan-European Catholic Nationalists. Perhaps the one pious sinner Marine Le Pen is more pleasing to Our Lord than all the unctuous Tartuffes of Pablo & Company put together.

JPaul · « **Reply #26 on:** December 14, 2014, 06:59:55 PM »

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NIshant is saying, apparently that Bp. F. has made no mistakes

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Bishop Fellay is doing everything a traditional Catholic Bishop should do, working for the restoration of all things in Christ, and the return of Christian civilization, like Archbishop Lefebvre did before him.

Oh did the Archbishop have an operative for the Jєωs at his right hand as well?

hollingsworth · « **Reply #27 on:** December 15, 2014, 12:21:13 PM »

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Oh did the Archbishop have an operative for the Jєωs at his right hand as well?

Speaking of that operative for the Jєωs, have we heard much lately about that well fed gentleman? Was he there, perhaps, at tje blessing of the Crib? We seem to be in the midst recently of an information blackout.

Pilar · « **Reply #28 on:** December 15, 2014, 01:42:43 PM »

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NIshant is saying, apparently that Bp. F. has made no mistakes

nishant:
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Bishop Fellay is doing everything a traditional Catholic Bishop should do, working for the restoration of all things in Christ, and the return of Christian civilization, like Archbishop Lefebvre did before him.

Oh did the Archbishop have an operative for the Jєωs at his right hand as well?

Our Lord had an "operative for the Jєωs" at hand. Even Jєωs will be used for God's purposes.

JPaul · « **Reply #29 on:** December 15, 2014, 02:19:42 PM »

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NIshant is saying, apparently that Bp. F. has made no mistakes

nishant:
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Bishop Fellay is doing everything a traditional Catholic Bishop should do, working for the restoration of all things in Christ, and the return of Christian civilization, like Archbishop Lefebvre did before him.

Oh did the Archbishop have an operative for the Jєωs at his right hand as well?

Our Lord had an "operative for the Jєωs" at hand. Even Jєωs will be used for God's purposes.

That is indeed a very Novus Ordoish anecdote, which while cute, does not address the reality under discussion. And, while Bishop Fellay may be a messiah to his devotees, he is not Jesus, and it remains uncertain who it is that is using his operative, and to what purpose.