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    On (or about) October 15, Fr. Pfeiffer and Fr. Hewko “invited” His Excellency, Bishop Thomas Aquinas to visit Boston, KY.

    Bishop Thomas Aquinas made the following reply:

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    Date: Mon. 17 Oct. 2016
    Dear Father,
    I think we are in the same situation than in the beginning of the year when I was obliged to say to you not coming to Santa Cruz if you didn't do something as reparation about what you said towards Bishops of resistance. I heard you or Fr. Hewko or both called Bishop Williamson heretic. How can we speak with you if you say things like this one? I hope you change your positions as to be able to meet you.
    May God make you see what is wrong in your behavior.
    +Thomas Aquinas


    To this reply, Fr. Pfeiffer and Fr. Hewko made this incredible response:

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    Date: 18 October 2016
    My Lord, your Excellency,
    You refuse to speak to us because you heard that someone said that they heard that we said "Bishop Williamson is a heretic." Hence, those souls who are dying in need of Extreme Unction may not be anointed by Frs. JP and Hewko since these priests may have spoken offensively about Bishop Williamson. Offending the good name of Bishop Williamson means they may not receive the Sacraments of the Church before death.
    Seminarians studying for Priesthood may not be ordained since their rector is perceived to be too critical of Bishop Williamson. Is the good bishop's name worth more than the Name of the Lord God, Creator of us all?
    Our more than 2000 sheep are unworthy of Sacraments also since they may not honor his Episcopal name sufficiently?
    You are a Bishop and will soon meet your Creator and Lord at the Judgement. Will you have to repeat the words of Cardinal Wolsey, the Faithful servant of Henry VIII of England? He said, "If only I had served my God half as well as I served my King." You are indeed a loyal servant of Bishop Williamson, and you are proving it by your worthy actions of defending him by doing whatever is in your power to destroy his perceived enemies.
    Did you not tell souls to avoid Fr. Cardozo Masses and sacraments for the same reason?
    Did you not also encourage the Columbians to expel Fr. Raphael and his little Monastery for the same reasons?
    You have been a zealous Bishop defending the honor of the Lord of Broadstairs.
    I met several times before a Monk - Dom Tomas Aquino who served the Lord of Heaven. What happened to him? Whence has he gone?
    Did Archbishop Lefebvre (or any other Catholic Bishop) refuse sacraments, etc. to anyone who called him by bad names?
    Fr. Hewko and myself, for the record, have never called Bishop Williamson a Heretic anyway.
    Before you were consecrated you did three evil condemnable acts.

    1. You wrote two letters about the New Mass supporting Bishop Williamson's statements on the New Mass.
    2. You told souls to reject Fr. Cardozo because of his critical remarks against Bishop Williamson.
    3. You wrote a letter of rejection against myself and Fr. Hewko forbidding us to attend your Consecration or even to visit afterwards. Was this the price you had to pay to receive purple and a cross about your chest?
    I was told before of a bad monk in Brazil who did not follow the Rule of St. Benedict, who was mentally ill in need of being replaced. No young man should be allowed to enter his monastery etc. I did not believe them. After meeting you in Silver City then in Brazil all doubts were removed.
    You should be familiar with being a victim of Calumny and hence owe, in justice, to give Fr. Hewko and I a fair hearing.
    In your visit to the USA and Canada there are about 1000 or more souls who won't see you since they are with Boston, KY. They are being left orphans by you and Bishop Faure, mere suffragan bishops of Bishop Williamson - and why?...Because they hold on to the Faith handed down by their Fathers especially Archbishop Lefebvre, who rejected the New Mass and the New Church or order to remain faithful to "Eternal Rome." Eternal Rome is still here on earth now in all souls that remain at this moment Faithful to Her.
    I do not lightly criticize you, but with a heavy hope that your conscience will remember former times when it served God rather than a man. Can you really say that you now are serving God?
    A Moral Theology reminder. No priest may refuse Sacraments or priestly help to anyone who attacks his person or makes accusation against himself. Even if we had called BPW or thyself "heretic" this would not be an excuse before God to refuse any priestly help. This is the familiar teaching of the Gospel that even pagans know, "do good to those who hate you" etc. Therefore your reason to refuse us has no foundation in Christ or His Holy Gospel.
    If, however, Fr. Hewko and I are preachers of Heresy or grave errors then as a bishop of the Church you must correct us by both pointing out our errors (allowing a defense of course) and teaching the correct way.
    God bless you Excellency, we can still come to see you if you allow us, as discreetly or publicly as you wish.
    In Christ our King and King of all creation,
    Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer
    Fr. David Hewko


    Commentary:

    So Fr. Pfeiffer wants to portray himself as the victim here: Bishop Thomas Aquinas's refusal is totally unreasonable, because contrary to whatever he may have heard, Fr. Pfeiffer never called Bishop Williamson a heretic.

    But Fr. Pfeiffer must have an exceedingly short memory, because on one of the forums loyal to him, they place a very great emphasis on this quote from one of his recent sermons (which at the time of the above correspondence was only 2 weeks old!):


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    “He [Bishop Williamson] says, now, the new Mass has true in it and the new Mass has false in it; the new Mass has good in it, and the new Mass has bad in it. Now the bad is dangerous, but the good and the true benefit the soul.

    And this is a teaching which is condemned by Our Holy Mother the Church. It is the foundation of the heresy of ecuмenism.”


    Can Fr. Pfeiffer explain how this quote is compatible with his denial to Bishop Thomas Aquinas (above) that "Fr. Hewko and myself, for the record, have never called Bishop Williamson a Heretic anyway?"


    Note also the insincerity which Fr. Pfeiffer and Fr. Hewko must have secretly harbored within themselves when they requested a visit from Bishop Thomas Aquinas:

    Upon receiving the bishop's refusal (which they surely anticipated), they unleash a litany of complaints which obviously would have still been present even had Bishop Thomas Aquinas accepted the invitation.

    But if they had all these complaints built up within them, and were so obviously opposed to the bishop to whom they feigned an invitation, then what was the true purpose of the invitation in the first place?

    It was surely this: A political move to portray Boston -once again- as the innocent victim of episcopal prejudice for its "unwavering fidelity" to the positions of Archbishop Lefebvre!

    In my opinion, such theatrics are not necessary for Fr. Pfeiffer:

    If his dupes have stuck with him through a fake bishop, perpetual incoherence, doctrinal errors (e.g., No grace at NOM Communions; communication in sacris to attend SSPX Masses; etc.), alienation from all three bishops, Pablo, and all the rest, I would say productions like this latest episode are not necessary to hold his ground.

    Anyone with common sense deserted Fr. Pfeiffer long ago; those who remain cannot be helped.


    As for the particular complaints made against Bishop Thomas Aquinas, let’s "unpack" them:

            “Hence, those souls who are dying in need of Extreme Unction may not be anointed by Frs. JP and Hewko since these priests may have spoken offensively about Bishop Williamson. Offending the good name of Bishop Williamson means they may not receive the Sacraments of the Church before death.”

    Response:

    Presuming the implication is accurate (i.e., the refusal of holy oils), I would see in it a charitable punishment, intended to bring you (and your dupes) back to your senses.  Argumentation has very obviously failed to make any headway with you.  What recourse is left?  In fact, with all these grievances, why do you even request them from the three bishops?  Why not go get holy oils from Mr. Moran (about whose valid and Catholic episcopacy you continue to maintain that you have no doubts)?


            “Seminarians studying for Priesthood may not be ordained since their rector is perceived to be too critical of Bishop Williamson. Is the good bishop's name worth more than the Name of the Lord God, Creator of us all?”

    Response:

    Is it that, or, is it because your hostel (aka “seminary”) was founded in direct disobedience to Bishop Williamson?  He told you (in the presence of Fr. Chazal) that he did not trust you to be a rector, but who was he to say such a thing, eh?

    And of course, the shotty, irregular so-called formation could have nothing to do with it either, right?

    In your mind, those who come to Boston have a right to be ordained!  When has the Church ever taught such a thing?  If the bishops don’t call your seminarians (and it is always the bishops through which God calls men to the priesthood), it is Providence telling you they are not fit.


            “Our more than 2000 sheep are unworthy of Sacraments also since they may not honor his Episcopal name sufficiently?”

    Response:

    What’s all this sudden talk about the importance of receiving the sacraments, when for years, you have inculcated within your dupes an almost contempt for same?


            “You are a Bishop and will soon meet your Creator and Lord at the Judgement. Will you have to repeat the words of Cardinal Wolsey, the Faithful servant of Henry VIII of England? He said, "If only I had served my God half as well as I served my King." You are indeed a loyal servant of Bishop Williamson, and you are proving it by your worthy actions of defending him by doing whatever is in your power to destroy his perceived enemies.”

    Response:

    Notice that charitable punishments intended to get Fr. Pfeiffer to return to reason are perceived by him as infidelity and treachery.

    What can you do for such a one except pray?


            “Did you not tell souls to avoid Fr. Cardozo Masses and sacraments for the same reason?”

    Response:

    Were you not in Canada a couple years ago explaining why “non una cuм” priests ought to be avoided because of their error?  Will you deny Fr. Cardozo is a non-una cuм priest via mental reservation that he says "una cuм Petrus?"  Does this not evince his sedevacantism?  If not, can you please produce an affirmative statement from Fr. Cardozo that he accepts Francis as Pope?

            "Did you not also encourage the Columbians to expel Fr. Raphael and his little Monastery for the same reasons?"

    Response:

    I happen to know there is quite a bit more to this story (perhaps you do as well?), but pretending what you just said were true, would you not now just have committed a serious detraction before the whole world?

    Does that not bother you?

            “You have been a zealous Bishop defending the honor of the Lord of Broadstairs.”

    Response:


    You have been an equally zealous priest, tearing it down.


            “I met several times before a Monk - Dom Tomas Aquino who served the Lord of Heaven. What happened to him? Whence has he gone?”

    Response:

    Rather, you might ask yourself those same questions.



             “Did Archbishop Lefebvre (or any other Catholic Bishop) refuse sacraments, etc. to anyone who called him by bad names?”

    Response:

    I thought you said you didn’t call Bishop Williamson a heretic.  Were there other bad names you called him?

    Aside from that, how many people do you know who, thinking Archbishop Lefebvre a heretic, nevertheless sought sacraments from him?

    That kind of incoherence is found only in Boston.

    “You wrote a letter of rejection against myself and Fr. Hewko forbidding us to attend your Consecration or even to visit afterwards. Was this the price you had to pay to receive purple and a cross about your chest?”

    Response:

    And apparently that letter, rather than causing you to rethink your positions, attitudes, and repent, has instead caused you to increase your obstinacy?

    “I was told before of a bad monk in Brazil who did not follow the Rule of St. Benedict, who was mentally ill in need of being replaced. No young man should be allowed to enter his monastery etc. I did not believe them. After meeting you in Silver City then in Brazil all doubts were removed.
    You should be familiar with being a victim of Calumny and hence owe, in justice, to give Fr. Hewko and I a fair hearing.”

    Response:

    A fair hearing?  You mean like setting up some Brazilian-Boston “doctrinal discussions” (a la Rome/SSPX)?  You think Bishop Thomas Aquinas doesn’t know what your positions are (with a new YouTube sermon/conference every 2 days)?  

    Your positions ARE the problem.

    “In your visit to the USA and Canada there are about 1000 or more souls who won't see you since they are with Boston, KY. They are being left orphans by you and Bishop Faure, mere suffragan bishops of Bishop Williamson - and why?...Because they hold on to the Faith handed down by their Fathers especially Archbishop Lefebvre, who rejected the New Mass and the New Church or order to remain faithful to "Eternal Rome." Eternal Rome is still here on earth now in all souls that remain at this moment Faithful to Her.”

    Response:

    If 1,000 souls won’t see Bishop Thomas Aquinas because they are with Boston, that is their choice.  

    How is the bishop to blame for it?

    They are not being left orphans by the bishops, but stupidly choosing you over them.

    That also is their choice.

    Note also the insinuation that Bishop Thomas Aquinas does not reject the new Mass or the conciliar church, simply because (like all approved theologians before him) he makes distinctions which the dupes are taught to see as compromises.


    “I do not lightly criticize you, but with a heavy hope that your conscience will remember former times when it served God rather than a man. Can you really say that you now are serving God?
    A Moral Theology reminder. No priest may refuse Sacraments or priestly help to anyone who attacks his person or makes accusation against himself. Even if we had called BPW or thyself "heretic" this would not be an excuse before God to refuse any priestly help. This is the familiar teaching of the Gospel that even pagans know, "do good to those who hate you" etc. Therefore your reason to refuse us has no foundation in Christ or His Holy Gospel.”

    Response:

    Why not put your money where your mouth is, and go get your “sacraments” from “Archbishop” Ambrose?

    If you do, could you also please make another YouTube video showing the dupes receiving those “sacraments?”


    “If, however, Fr. Hewko and I are preachers of Heresy or grave errors then as a bishop of the Church you must correct us by both pointing out our errors (allowing a defense of course) and teaching the correct way.”

    Response:

    This very letter references precisely two such attempts (e.g., The articles you criticize the bishop for writing regarding good fruits), which fell on deaf ears.  

    Since when has argumentation ever made any headway with you?

    And what happens when someone points out your errors?  You go twice as far in the opposite direction (e.g., You now declare no grace passes to well-disposed communicants at a valid Novus Ordo Mass, which is proximate to heresy per Trent).



    Conclusion:

    The invitation by Boston was insincere, in that the response of Bishop Thomas Aquinas was not only foreseeable, but was in fact foreseen in Boston.  That it was extended at all, therefore, was really just posturing to justify making public the complaints and grievances which comprise the response of Fr. Pfeiffer and Fr. Hewko.  In doing so, Fr. Pfeiffer hoped to portray Boston as being punished for it's alleged "fidelity" to Archbishop Lefebvre, with the effect of tightening the loyalty of the dupes, and securing his ground against further defections.  In this he has probably succeeded, but only at the expense of further isolation (were it possible), and guaranteeing that there is no future at all in Boston.


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    Quote:Date: 18 October 2016 
    My Lord, your Excellency, 
    You refuse to speak to us because you heard that someone said that they heard that we said "Bishop Williamson is a heretic." Hence, those souls who are dying in need of Extreme Unction may not be anointed by Frs. JP and Hewko since these priests may have spoken offensively about Bishop Williamson. Offending the good name of Bishop Williamson means they may not receive the Sacraments of the Church before death. 
    Seminarians studying for Priesthood may not be ordained since their rector is perceived to be too critical of Bishop Williamson. Is the good bishop's name worth more than the Name of the Lord God, Creator of us all? 
    Our more than 2000 sheep are unworthy of Sacraments also since they may not honor his Episcopal name sufficiently? 
    You are a Bishop and will soon meet your Creator and Lord at the Judgement. Will you have to repeat the words of Cardinal Wolsey, the Faithful servant of Henry VIII of England? He said, "If only I had served my God half as well as I served my King." You are indeed a loyal servant of Bishop Williamson, and you are proving it by your worthy actions of defending him by doing whatever is in your power to destroy his perceived enemies. 
    Did you not tell souls to avoid Fr. Cardozo Masses and sacraments for the same reason? 
    Did you not also encourage the Columbians to expel Fr. Raphael and his little Monastery for the same reasons? 
    You have been a zealous Bishop defending the honor of the Lord of Broadstairs. 
    I met several times before a Monk - Dom Tomas Aquino who served the Lord of Heaven. What happened to him? Whence has he gone? 
    Did Archbishop Lefebvre (or any other Catholic Bishop) refuse sacraments, etc. to anyone who called him by bad names? 
    Fr. Hewko and myself, for the record, have never called Bishop Williamson a Heretic anyway. 
    Before you were consecrated you did three evil condemnable acts. 

    1. You wrote two letters about the New Mass supporting Bishop Williamson's statements on the New Mass. 
    2. You told souls to reject Fr. Cardozo because of his critical remarks against Bishop Williamson. 
    3. You wrote a letter of rejection against myself and Fr. Hewko forbidding us to attend your Consecration or even to visit afterwards. Was this the price you had to pay to receive purple and a cross about your chest? 
    I was told before of a bad monk in Brazil who did not follow the Rule of St. Benedict, who was mentally ill in need of being replaced. No young man should be allowed to enter his monastery etc. I did not believe them. After meeting you in Silver City then in Brazil all doubts were removed. 
    You should be familiar with being a victim of Calumny and hence owe, in justice, to give Fr. Hewko and I a fair hearing. 
    In your visit to the USA and Canada there are about 1000 or more souls who won't see you since they are with Boston, KY. They are being left orphans by you and Bishop Faure, mere suffragan bishops of Bishop Williamson - and why?...Because they hold on to the Faith handed down by their Fathers especially Archbishop Lefebvre, who rejected the New Mass and the New Church or order to remain faithful to "Eternal Rome." Eternal Rome is still here on earth now in all souls that remain at this moment Faithful to Her. 
    I do not lightly criticize you, but with a heavy hope that your conscience will remember former times when it served God rather than a man. Can you really say that you now are serving God? 
    A Moral Theology reminder. No priest may refuse Sacraments or priestly help to anyone who attacks his person or makes accusation against himself. Even if we had called BPW or thyself "heretic" this would not be an excuse before God to refuse any priestly help. This is the familiar teaching of the Gospel that even pagans know, "do good to those who hate you" etc. Therefore your reason to refuse us has no foundation in Christ or His Holy Gospel. 
    If, however, Fr. Hewko and I are preachers of Heresy or grave errors then as a bishop of the Church you must correct us by both pointing out our errors (allowing a defense of course) and teaching the correct way. 
    God bless you Excellency, we can still come to see you if you allow us, as discreetly or publicly as you wish. 
    In Christ our King and King of all creation, 
    Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer 
    Fr. David Hewko 

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           "Did you not also encourage the Columbians to expel Fr. Raphael and his little Monastery for the same reasons?" 

    Response: 

    I happen to know there is quite a bit more to this story (perhaps you do as well?), but pretending what you just said were true, would you not now just have committed a serious detraction before the whole world? 

     :confused1:


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  • This is just incredible.  Words almost fail me. Does this priest-charlatan actually have 1000 followers in the U.S.?  1000 living and breathing trads in America have not yet seen through this man?  Well, gooollly!

    We mustn't be to quick, then, to judge those faithful who still adhere to Fellay & Co.  Their behavior is no more egregious.  For me, Fr. Pfeiffer gives new and added meaning to the phrase "priest craft."  What an incredible phony he is, not to mention a blithering hypocrite!

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    What’s wrong with Fr. Pfeiffer’s statement? 

    It’s accurate. 

    Fr. Pfeiffer does not call Bishop Williamson a heretic. 



    Listen to this starting at about 12:00, wouldn't hurt to start around 10:00. Can you really tell me he's not calling the Bishop a heretic, or souls like myself that follow him?

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  • Whatever the three Bishops' (Faure, Aquinas, Williamson) and priests' beefs are with one another, I totally agree with Fr. Pfeiffer when he says that the Bishops should NOT be withholding the Sacraments from any of the associated faithful.

    We are ALL resistors here - we all resist modernist Rome and our wayward Pope.

    The Sacraments should never be used as some sort of political football against the Faithful.

    It is not right, and it is not just.


    Fr. P and Fr. H. wrote:


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    A Moral Theology reminder. No priest may refuse Sacraments or priestly help to anyone who attacks his person or makes accusation against himself. Even if we had called BPW or thyself "heretic" this would not be an excuse before God to refuse any priestly help. This is the familiar teaching of the Gospel that even pagans know, "do good to those who hate you" etc. Therefore your reason to refuse us has no foundation in Christ or His Holy Gospel.


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  • The sects are at war.

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    Whatever the three Bishops' (Faure, Aquinas, Williamson) and priests' beefs are with one another, I totally agree with Fr. Pfeiffer when he says that the Bishops should NOT be withholding the Sacraments from any of the associated faithful.

    We are ALL resistors here - we all resist modernist Rome and our wayward Pope.

    The Sacraments should never be used as some sort of political football against the Faithful.

    It is not right, and it is not just.


    You're darn right!

    Only one problem: the bishops aren't guilty of this.

    They won't set foot in Boston, KY (why would they? They are regularly attacked there, plus there is a notorious apostate living there who may or may not be practicing witchcraft. I certainly wouldn't go there!).

    However, even then, +Williamson's charity and concern for the Faithful compels him to offer Confirmations nearby, within driving distance of Boston, KY. I commend him for his wise and prudent behavior.

    The TRUTH is that Fr. HEWKO ("the holy one", "the good one" of the two, etc.) and Fr. Pfeiffer have BOTH told their Faithful to boycott the Masses/Confirmations of these bishops. So whose fault is it, if the Faithful don't get confirmed?

    It's not the Resistance bishops who are abusing the Sacraments into political footballs. It's Fr. Pfeiffer and his cult.
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    The sects are at war.


    What if I punched you in the face while you were walking along, and a few seconds later someone said, "Hey guys, stop fighting! That is not how Christ acted when He was on earth!" wouldn't you be a bit indignant? After all, you weren't "fighting" at all -- you were merely hit in the jaw by a random assailant.

    You would be rightfully angry at any third party who dared to lump you (a victim) in with your attacker, condemning you both equally.

    That is precisely the case with the "war" between Fr. Pfeiffer's cult and the worldwide Resistance. The fighting and name-calling is ALL coming from one direction: Boston, KY outward to each of its many enemies/targets.

    Fr. Pfeiffer's sect is a cross between a cancer, a pus-oozing sore, and a hairy wart on the face of the Resistance.
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    This is just incredible.  Words almost fail me. Does this priest-charlatan actually have 1000 followers in the U.S.?  1000 living and breathing trads in America have not yet seen through this man?  Well, gooollly!

    We mustn't be to quick, then, to judge those faithful who still adhere to Fellay & Co.  Their behavior is no more egregious.  For me, Fr. Pfeiffer gives new and added meaning to the phrase "priest craft."  What an incredible phony he is, not to mention a blithering hypocrite!


    1. He actually said TWO thousand. I sincerely hope that is a gross exaggeration.

    2. Fr. Pfeiffer reminds me of the Jєωs, who are always on the attack, and most vicious at that. However, they frequently play the meek victim card. Talk about an example of "you got a lot of nerve!" -- it's the height of chutzpah. (Note that the word chutzpah itself is a Hebrew word!)
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    « Reply #9 on: November 02, 2016, 08:35:43 AM »
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  • Fr. Pfeiffer has a lot of nerve!

    The things he's said and done against +Williamson represent a FULL SCALE WAR AGAINST HIM. We're not talking about "sufficiently honoring his name". Give me a break!

    Fr. Pfeiffer goes full scale war on +Williamson and all of his confreres, and then he has the nerve to pile on the guilt trip that +W isn't taking care of souls. That is outrageous.

    Why should +Williamson think he's even welcome at Fr. Pfeiffer's chapels, where the Pfeifferites routinely RED LIGHT +W's Masses, and where +Williamson is viciously excoriated on a regular basis? I wouldn't go there if I were the Bishop!


    Yes, it's a horrible situation, but 100% of the blame needs to be placed where it belongs: the corrupted, sectarian, ambitious priest Fr. Pfeiffer.
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    Fr. Pfeiffer has a lot of nerve!

    The things he's said and done against +Williamson represent a FULL SCALE WAR AGAINST HIM. We're not talking about "sufficiently honoring his name". Give me a break!

    Fr. Pfeiffer goes full scale war on +Williamson and all of his confreres, and then he has the nerve to pile on the guilt trip that +W isn't taking care of souls. That is outrageous.

    Why should +Williamson think he's even welcome at Fr. Pfeiffer's chapels, where the Pfeifferites routinely RED LIGHT +W's Masses, and where +Williamson is viciously excoriated on a regular basis? I wouldn't go there if I were the Bishop!


    Yes, it's a horrible situation, but 100% of the blame needs to be placed where it belongs: the corrupted, sectarian, ambitious priest Fr. Pfeiffer.


    Absolutely. They must be accustomed to speaking with very gullible group of people who wouldn't even blink when something that hypocritical comes along. They know how insulting their little letter is! It won't elicit a positive response, it's not going to do anything but reinforce the well established divide they themselves created. This seems like desperate posturing in front of a dwindling cult following more than anything else.


    Fortuna finem habet.


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    The Charitable Anathema: Bishop Thomas Aquinas Refuses "Invitation"
    « Reply #11 on: November 02, 2016, 01:59:34 PM »
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    "You refuse to speak to us because you heard that someone said that they heard that we said "Bishop Williamson is a heretic." Hence, those souls who are dying in need of Extreme Unction may not be anointed by Frs. JP and Hewko since these priests may have spoken offensively about Bishop Williamson. "

    I'm totally confused.  Am I missing something here?
    I thought a priest was a priest for life and even if he left the priesthood, was in the state of mortal sin and a heretic, in time of emergency (death) could administer  Extreme Unction .
    Don't Fathers JP & Hewko know this?
    "Let God arise, and let His enemies be scattered: and them that hate Him flee from before His Holy Face"  Psalm 67:2[/b]


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    The Charitable Anathema: Bishop Thomas Aquinas Refuses "Invitation"
    « Reply #12 on: November 02, 2016, 03:34:24 PM »
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    The sects are at war.


    What if I punched you in the face while you were walking along...


    The best part.
    We conclude logically that religion can give an efficacious and truly realistic answer to the great modern problems only if it is a religion that is profoundly lived, not simply a superficial and cheap religion made up of some vocal prayers and some ceremonies...

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    The Charitable Anathema: Bishop Thomas Aquinas Refuses "Invitation"
    « Reply #13 on: November 02, 2016, 03:57:41 PM »
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    "You refuse to speak to us because you heard that someone said that they heard that we said "Bishop Williamson is a heretic." Hence, those souls who are dying in need of Extreme Unction may not be anointed by Frs. JP and Hewko since these priests may have spoken offensively about Bishop Williamson. "

    I'm totally confused.  Am I missing something here?
    I thought a priest was a priest for life and even if he left the priesthood, was in the state of mortal sin and a heretic, in time of emergency (death) could administer  Extreme Unction .
    Don't Fathers JP & Hewko know this?
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    Of course they know this; it's pure hyperbole on their part; it's a ruse. They are just trying to gain more sympathy with their sheep by showing how unjustly persecuted they are and at the same time "demonizing" the three bishops. They will stoop to anything, as the pharisees did in Our Lord's time, to make them look bad. But, imo, the two "victimized" fathers might be hinting here at not being given fresh Holy Oils every Easter rather than not being able to administer the Last Rites. The old Holy Oils would still be valid but their duped sheep might not understand any of this; which would increase their anxiety and their victim status. The Fathers think that this is a win for them because it tends to solidify their group in the end. But these two priests are playing around with souls and when their sheep become aware of the manipulation, and may this happen soon, please God, the sheep will leave these two hirelings and deservedly treat them as the salt that has lost its savor. One of the many terrible consequences in all this is that once a priest has lost his good reputation it is very difficult to gain it back. Sir Thomas More referred to Cardinal Wolsey as a "scabby sheep". It seems that Fathers P. and H. are close to meriting the same sobriquet.

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    « Reply #14 on: November 02, 2016, 04:54:36 PM »
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  • Thank you Motorede I guess I just never thought they'd stoop THAT low.
    "Let God arise, and let His enemies be scattered: and them that hate Him flee from before His Holy Face"  Psalm 67:2[/b]