Isaiah 40:22- qui sedet super gyrum terrae-who sits upon the circle of the earth

gyrum translates to circle, not globe. I'm not 100% a flat earther & don't argue this issue, I'm just interested in this subject. I've mentioned this gyrum translation before. I know BN is an orthodox & hope he converts. Here is what he said to witsit about this flat earth issue.    https://x.com/RealBroNat/status/1826630378389672420

I have heard orbis terrae or orbis terrarum used, not necessarily in that same quote from Isaiah. I think I heard it on a saturday a few months ago. Maybe it's just a 1962 missal translation? Google translate isn't clear, and there is often much broad meaning associated with translating many latin words to english, even though the english language is quite capable of much greater precision in meaning. I assumed it meant orb or globe of the earth.

I have heard orbis terrae or orbis terrarum used, not necessarily in that same quote from Isaiah. I think I heard it on a saturday a few months ago. Maybe it's just a 1962 missal translation? Google translate isn't clear, and there is often much broad meaning associated with translating many latin words to english, even though the english language is quite capable of much greater precision in meaning. I assumed it meant orb or globe of the earth.

Hello, here is a picture from my Oxford Latin Dictionary for the word gyrum, gyratus, gyrinus and gyrus

Isaiah 40:22- qui sedet super gyrum terrae-who sits upon the circle of the earth

gyrum translates to circle, not globe. I'm not 100% a flat earther & don't argue this issue, I'm just interested in this subject. I've mentioned this gyrum translation before. I know BN is an orthodox & hope he converts. Here is what he said to witsit about this flat earth issue.    https://x.com/RealBroNat/status/1826630378389672420

Thanks for posting the X video above. Br. Nathanael gives a good and simple explanation of how Scripture depicts the earth to be a circle, not a globe. He says that he knows the bible well, and nowhere is the word "globe" used in Scripture. He doesn't appear to be a flat earther though. Not yet anyway. 

You're welcome. The Douay-Rheims Bible translates gyrum to globe.  https://www.drbo.org/chapter/27040.htm  Do you know why?

 I don't know what the prot bibles say, I don't have one. Do you know if they translate it to globe?   

That's an interesting question, Gemma. I just looked and the original D-R used the word 'compass' not 'globe' to translate gyrum. There's a useful piece of free software, vulsearch, that has side-by-side Clementine Vulgate and Douay Rheims (Challoner revision) that you might want to check out. 

It has a search function which shows 50 times that the term 'gyrum' is used in the Bible.  

It also has a dictionary, Whitaker's words, giving the definition: circle, ring; circuit; circular course for training/racing horses for 'gyrum'.

Thanks for posting the X video above. Br. Nathanael gives a good and simple explanation of how Scripture depicts the earth to be a circle, not a globe. He says that he knows the bible well, and nowhere is the word "globe" used in Scripture. He doesn't appear to be a flat earther though. Not yet anyway.

You're welcome. The Douay-Rheims Bible translates gyrum to globe.  https://www.drbo.org/chapter/27040.htm  Do you know why?

 I don't know what the prot bibles say, I don't have one. Do you know if they translate it to globe?   

The Latin, 'globus', is actually used in one place, Numbers 16:11.

11 et omnis globus tuus stet contra Dóminum ? quid est enim Áaron ut murmurétis contra eum ?

11 And that all thy company should stand against the Lord? for what is Aaron that you murmur against him?

The context has nothing to do with the shape of the earth; it's mostly just interesting trivia, but the definition of 'globus' might shed a little light on Bishop Challoner's choice to use the term 'globe' in Isaias.

globus, globi
ball, sphere, dense mass, close packed throng, crowd, clique, band; globe


Isaias 40:22-23

22 It is he that sitteth upon the globe of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as locusts: he that stretcheth out the heavens as nothing, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in. 23 He that bringeth the searchers of secrets to nothing, that hath made the judges of the earth as vanity.

Maybe Bishop Challoner was trying to emphasize the uniqueness of God; he is above the masses, above the crowd, THE God, not just a tribal deity. Just a guess.

Hello, here is a picture from my Oxford Latin Dictionary for the word gyrum, gyratus, gyrinus and gyrus

I was asking about the word orbis. It might mean something 2D for all I know, but I thought an orb was generally 3D in english.