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The Betrayal Came Quickly: Cor Unum #41
« on: July 19, 2019, 03:52:25 PM »
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  • In the thread linked immediately below (see p.3), Sean Johnson commented upon a statement from Fr. Asher regarding the "admission" that Ascension Thursday was no longer a holy day of obligation.
    https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/is-the-obligation-to-attend-mass-on-ascension-thursday-binding-according-to-sspx/30/

    Fr. Asher found it necessary to affirm the non-binding nature of "former" obligation because he and the SSPX did not want the faithful believing an obligation existed which did not exist, then voluntarily violating the "imaginary" obligation, thereby committing a real sin; so too in the case of the new laws of fast and abstinence in another SSPX.org article).

    [NB: To be logical, the same concern ought to be manifested, then, with regard to communion in the hand, anticipated Mass on Saturday, etc.]

    Sean Johnson raised the question as to whether "laws" (it would be better to say "legislation") which work manifestly against the common good of the Church and souls are in any real sense properly "laws" at all.

    The questions and conclusions which naturally follow are:

    1) If they are not laws in the proper sense, how can they be binding?

    2) If they are not laws in the proper sense, and therefore never abrogated the 1917 CIC, are not the old laws still in effect?

    It would seem that Archbishop Lefebvre and the old SSPX shared the same questions and doubts as Sean Johnson:

    Below, see the Cor Unum #41 (March 1992), in which Fr. Schmidberger acknowledged these very doubts, and the non-binding nature of the 1983 CIC.

    Then, see if you can spot the Trojan Horse he introduces which modifies Archbishop Lefebvre's position only one year after his death.

    Finally, within the context of the SSPX ralliement, consider why a Fr. Asher or SSPX.org is publishing articles and making statements which completely ignore the original SSPX position on the new code of canon law, and how the truth is exactly the opposite of the pastoral necessity mentioned by Fr. Asher (or the SSPX.org article on fast/abstinence):

    In reality, the concern is not that we must inform our faithful that the old law no longer binds, in order to save them from believing an obligation exists where it no longer does, which they willfully violate, and thereby commit a real sin.

    No.

    The real concern is that the old laws persist, and the SSPX, by making statements promoting the new harmful laws as real and true laws, induce the faithful to violate the 1917 CIC still in force!

    Granted, the subjective ignorance of the faithful saves them from gravity, but since when is it acceptable to induce venial sin?

    And at a higher level, is this not but one more very serious compromise of a rallying SSPX which claims to not have made any compromises?

    Here follows Cor Unum #41 (March - 1992), only one year after Archbishop Lefebvre's death:


    Cor Unum No41 - March 1992

    II. DECISION CONCERNING PROPER DISCIPLINE OF THE SOCIETY OF ST PIUS X IN RELATION TO THE NEW CODE OF CANON LAW

    1. The law is the object of justice. The purpose of ecclesiastical laws is to make the faithful practice justice by placing them in favourable situations, where Christian life is easy and by removing situations dangerous to faith and morals.

    2. The reception of the new code of canon law poses a real problem of conscience for Catholics in this regard. On the one hand, it is impressively far from the protection of faith and morals, both in general and in detail. And on the other hand, we do not want to jeopardize the respect due to legitimate authority.

    3. Archbishop Lefebvre, despite all his wisdom, did not believe that he could settle the question of the validity of the promulgation of this code, but its content and the principles set out in the apostolic letter of promulgation (25 January 1983) made it doubtful. In this case, according to canon 15 (nc. 14) this "new legislation is not urgent. In this situation, according to canon 23 (nc. 21), the 1917 code is not presumed revoked, but the new legislation must be brought back to the previous one and if possible reconciled with it. The guiding principles of this delicate conciliation follow.

    4. The 1917 code remains the reference, in the sense that it contains the spirit of the Church in its pure state and that we follow it in principle and to a large extent.

    5. This does not mean that we should not retain anything from the new code. Indeed, on the one hand, the Church's legislation, even codified, does not form an inseparable whole, in such a way that everything must be accepted or refused, and on the other hand, certain norms of the new code are justified, either because they bring about a useful simplification, or because they correspond to a homogeneous development of the Church's practice or to a better adaptation to circumstances. There is therefore nothing to prevent, but on the contrary, it seems appropriate to retain what is good in the new legislation and harmonize it with the legislation of the 1917 Code.

    6. New norms that oppose the Catholic faith or the divine constitution of the Church or that deviate from the protection due to faith and morals, we are obliged to refuse them (for example, the new rules on mixed marriages, nc. 1124- 1129). On the other hand, the new norms which, according to what has been established in (5), appear justified, we will retain them in place of the old ones, so as not to deprive ourselves or the faithful of the advantage they bring (This is the case of the removal of certain impediments to marriage: the exemption of "minor" impediments was systematically granted, it was therefore justifiable to remove them). But rather than new standards which, without being bad, would not bring any definite advantage, we must prefer the law codified in 1917 and we stand by it.

    7. Another principle must be applied: When the validity (of acts or sacraments) is at stake, it is difficult for us to dare to declare invalid what is considered valid in the rest of the Church, and vice versa, and there is also in this case a practical necessity, for the good of the faithful, not to place them in conflict with the legislation received in the official Church. In these cases, we opt for the 1983 standards, but then strengthen our discipline with legal requirements that bring it closer to the 1917 code (for example, age and affinity impediments to marriage).

    8. Finally, with regard to the matter and form of the sacraments, we must be tutiorists and, for example, consider as doubtful the confirmation conferred with an oil other than olive oil, until proven otherwise.

    Decision approved in broad terms by the General Council in Rickenbach on 3 January 1992, finalized by the Canonical Commission and enacted by the Superior General in Rickenbach on 8 February 1992.

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    Re: The Betrayal Came Quickly: Cor Unum #41
    « Reply #1 on: July 19, 2019, 10:35:59 PM »
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  • Interesting. When I saw that this subject came up again -- without reading it -- I asked a few people if they had been taught the differences back in the 90's when they came to the SSPX or if this was a new thing in view of a purely practical agreement. They had always been taught the differences. Now I see this is a Cor Unum from '92. The question has been around along time.


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    Re: The Betrayal Came Quickly: Cor Unum #41
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  • Fr. Asher, without a doubt....



    Has the fastest Mass and Rosary in the West.

    He epitomizes the efficient, business-side of the new SSPX.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: The Betrayal Came Quickly: Cor Unum #41
    « Reply #3 on: July 19, 2019, 11:32:40 PM »
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  • Interesting. When I saw that this subject came up again -- without reading it -- I asked a few people if they had been taught the differences back in the 90's when they came to the SSPX or if this was a new thing in view of a purely practical agreement. They had always been taught the differences. Now I see this is a Cor Unum from '92. The question has been around along time.

    Yep: The sellout started as soon as ABL was dead.
    Romans 5:20 "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: The Betrayal Came Quickly: Cor Unum #41
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  • Fr. Asher, without a doubt....



    Has the fastest Mass and Rosary in the West.

    He epitomizes the efficient, business-side of the new SSPX.

    I remember him. The picture above looks just like the ol' Fr. Asher I knew from 2000-2004, but his face has filled out a lot. (Mine probably has too...)
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    Re: The Betrayal Came Quickly: Cor Unum #41
    « Reply #5 on: July 19, 2019, 11:51:23 PM »
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  • In addition to Fr. Schmidberger's 1992 switcharoo regarding the new CIC (which ABL considered of doubtful legitimacy and non-binding), didn't Bishop Tissier's Biography also recount how in 1992 the French District Superior also initiated overtures toward the indultarian French Benedictines?

    The question is rhetorical.

    The sellout began as soon as the Archbishop's corpse cooled (it just took decades to pull it off).

    Romans 5:20 "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: The Betrayal Came Quickly: Cor Unum #41
    « Reply #6 on: July 20, 2019, 06:59:11 AM »
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  • In the thread linked immediately below (see p.3), Sean Johnson commented upon a statement from Fr. Asher regarding the "admission" that Ascension Thursday was no longer a holy day of obligation.
    https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/is-the-obligation-to-attend-mass-on-ascension-thursday-binding-according-to-sspx/30/

    Fr. Asher found it necessary to affirm the non-binding nature of "former" obligation because he and the SSPX did not want the faithful believing an obligation existed which did not exist, then voluntarily violating the "imaginary" obligation, thereby committing a real sin; so too in the case of the new laws of fast and abstinence in another SSPX.org article).

    [NB: To be logical, the same concern ought to be manifested, then, with regard to communion in the hand, anticipated Mass on Saturday, etc.]

    Sean Johnson raised the question as to whether "laws" (it would be better to say "legislation") which work manifestly against the common good of the Church and souls are in any real sense properly "laws" at all.

    The questions and conclusions which naturally follow are:

    1) If they are not laws in the proper sense, how can they be binding?

    2) If they are not laws in the proper sense, and therefore never abrogated the 1917 CIC, are not the old laws still in effect?

    It would seem that Archbishop Lefebvre and the old SSPX shared the same questions and doubts as Sean Johnson:

    Below, see the Cor Unum #41 (March 1992), in which Fr. Schmidberger acknowledged these very doubts, and the non-binding nature of the 1983 CIC.

    Then, see if you can spot the Trojan Horse he introduces which modifies Archbishop Lefebvre's position only one year after his death.

    Finally, within the context of the SSPX ralliement, consider why a Fr. Asher or SSPX.org is publishing articles and making statements which completely ignore the original SSPX position on the new code of canon law, and how the truth is exactly the opposite of the pastoral necessity mentioned by Fr. Asher (or the SSPX.org article on fast/abstinence):

    In reality, the concern is not that we must inform our faithful that the old law no longer binds, in order to save them from believing an obligation exists where it no longer does, which they willfully violate, and thereby commit a real sin.

    No.

    The real concern is that the old laws persist, and the SSPX, by making statements promoting the new harmful laws as real and true laws, induce the faithful to violate the 1917 CIC still in force!

    Granted, the subjective ignorance of the faithful saves them from gravity, but since when is it acceptable to induce venial sin?

    And at a higher level, is this not but one more very serious compromise of a rallying SSPX which claims to not have made any compromises?

    Here follows Cor Unum #41 (March - 1992), only one year after Archbishop Lefebvre's death:


    Cor Unum No41 - March 1992

    II. DECISION CONCERNING PROPER DISCIPLINE OF THE SOCIETY OF ST PIUS X IN RELATION TO THE NEW CODE OF CANON LAW

    1. The law is the object of justice. The purpose of ecclesiastical laws is to make the faithful practice justice by placing them in favourable situations, where Christian life is easy and by removing situations dangerous to faith and morals.

    2. The reception of the new code of canon law poses a real problem of conscience for Catholics in this regard. On the one hand, it is impressively far from the protection of faith and morals, both in general and in detail. And on the other hand, we do not want to jeopardize the respect due to legitimate authority.

    3. Archbishop Lefebvre, despite all his wisdom, did not believe that he could settle the question of the validity of the promulgation of this code, but its content and the principles set out in the apostolic letter of promulgation (25 January 1983) made it doubtful. In this case, according to canon 15 (nc. 14) this "new legislation is not urgent. In this situation, according to canon 23 (nc. 21), the 1917 code is not presumed revoked, but the new legislation must be brought back to the previous one and if possible reconciled with it. The guiding principles of this delicate conciliation follow.

    4. The 1917 code remains the reference, in the sense that it contains the spirit of the Church in its pure state and that we follow it in principle and to a large extent.

    5. This does not mean that we should not retain anything from the new code. Indeed, on the one hand, the Church's legislation, even codified, does not form an inseparable whole, in such a way that everything must be accepted or refused, and on the other hand, certain norms of the new code are justified, either because they bring about a useful simplification, or because they correspond to a homogeneous development of the Church's practice or to a better adaptation to circumstances. There is therefore nothing to prevent, but on the contrary, it seems appropriate to retain what is good in the new legislation and harmonize it with the legislation of the 1917 Code.

    6. New norms that oppose the Catholic faith or the divine constitution of the Church or that deviate from the protection due to faith and morals, we are obliged to refuse them (for example, the new rules on mixed marriages, nc. 1124- 1129). On the other hand, the new norms which, according to what has been established in (5), appear justified, we will retain them in place of the old ones, so as not to deprive ourselves or the faithful of the advantage they bring (This is the case of the removal of certain impediments to marriage: the exemption of "minor" impediments was systematically granted, it was therefore justifiable to remove them). But rather than new standards which, without being bad, would not bring any definite advantage, we must prefer the law codified in 1917 and we stand by it.

    7. Another principle must be applied: When the validity (of acts or sacraments) is at stake, it is difficult for us to dare to declare invalid what is considered valid in the rest of the Church, and vice versa, and there is also in this case a practical necessity, for the good of the faithful, not to place them in conflict with the legislation received in the official Church. In these cases, we opt for the 1983 standards, but then strengthen our discipline with legal requirements that bring it closer to the 1917 code (for example, age and affinity impediments to marriage).

    8. Finally, with regard to the matter and form of the sacraments, we must be tutiorists and, for example, consider as doubtful the confirmation conferred with an oil other than olive oil, until proven otherwise.

    Decision approved in broad terms by the General Council in Rickenbach on 3 January 1992, finalized by the Canonical Commission and enacted by the Superior General in Rickenbach on 8 February 1992.

    Fr. Calderon (Professor of Dogmatic Theology at the SSPX seminary in La Reja) in Si Si No No #267 (November 2014) also acknowledges that laws which work against the common good of the Church are no laws at all:

    "The new rite that Paul VI intended to promulgate by his apostolic constitution Pontificalis Romani is certainly illegitimate by the accumulation of two reasons: firstly, because no pope has authority to destroy the Roman liturgical tradition and much less so to invent a rite that is in rupture with the whole of Catholic tradition; secondly, because the contamination with modernist doctrines causes harm to the faith, and a decision contrary to the common good of the Church cannot have the force of law."

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    Re: The Betrayal Came Quickly: Cor Unum #41
    « Reply #7 on: July 20, 2019, 07:24:01 AM »
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  • Here is the SSPX.org article on the new fast/abstinence "laws" which it says are now binding:

    https://sspx.org/en/rules-fast-and-abstinence

    Yes, it encourages the old practices, and criticizes the new, but acknowledges nevertheless that the old laws are abrogated, and the new "laws" are binding.
    Romans 5:20 "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: The Betrayal Came Quickly: Cor Unum #41
    « Reply #8 on: July 20, 2019, 07:44:50 AM »
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  • Here is the SSPX.org article on the new fast/abstinence "laws" which it says are now binding:

    https://sspx.org/en/rules-fast-and-abstinence

    Yes, it encourages the old practices, and criticizes the new, but acknowledges nevertheless that the old laws are abrogated, and the new "laws" are binding.

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    Re: The Betrayal Came Quickly: Cor Unum #41
    « Reply #9 on: July 20, 2019, 02:15:33 PM »
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  • Incredulous,
     I'd put Fr. McFarland up against Fr. Asher anytime as far as saying a fast Mass. Fr. McFarland also gives out the Host quicker than anyone i've ever seen. Kind of like a poker player with a gun to his head.

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    Re: The Betrayal Came Quickly: Cor Unum #41
    « Reply #10 on: July 20, 2019, 02:18:34 PM »
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  • I am going to be bold.

    I honestly am beginning to think that the Neo-SSPX, the betrayers in the 2019 SSPX, are in fact working with the various Intel agencies like the CIA, MI5, MI6, Mossad, German Intel, Italian Intel, etc. How else would they betray the Roman Catholic faith? How much were they paid?

    Or worse, have these betrayers committed pedophilia on Epstein Island or in some other castle? Are they being blackmailed?

    In fact, why did the SSPX recently acquire a castle in Europe? I smell a rat.
    Lord have mercy.


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    Re: The Betrayal Came Quickly: Cor Unum #41
    « Reply #11 on: July 21, 2019, 07:51:43 PM »
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  • In the thread linked immediately below (see p.3), Sean Johnson commented upon a statement from Fr. Asher regarding the "admission" that Ascension Thursday was no longer a holy day of obligation.
    https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/is-the-obligation-to-attend-mass-on-ascension-thursday-binding-according-to-sspx/30/

    Fr. Asher found it necessary to affirm the non-binding nature of "former" obligation because he and the SSPX did not want the faithful believing an obligation existed which did not exist, then voluntarily violating the "imaginary" obligation, thereby committing a real sin; so too in the case of the new laws of fast and abstinence in another SSPX.org article).

    [NB: To be logical, the same concern ought to be manifested, then, with regard to communion in the hand, anticipated Mass on Saturday, etc.]

    Sean Johnson raised the question as to whether "laws" (it would be better to say "legislation") which work manifestly against the common good of the Church and souls are in any real sense properly "laws" at all.

    The questions and conclusions which naturally follow are:

    1) If they are not laws in the proper sense, how can they be binding?

    2) If they are not laws in the proper sense, and therefore never abrogated the 1917 CIC, are not the old laws still in effect?

    It would seem that Archbishop Lefebvre and the old SSPX shared the same questions and doubts as Sean Johnson:

    Below, see the Cor Unum #41 (March 1992), in which Fr. Schmidberger acknowledged these very doubts, and the non-binding nature of the 1983 CIC.

    Then, see if you can spot the Trojan Horse he introduces which modifies Archbishop Lefebvre's position only one year after his death.

    Finally, within the context of the SSPX ralliement, consider why a Fr. Asher or SSPX.org is publishing articles and making statements which completely ignore the original SSPX position on the new code of canon law, and how the truth is exactly the opposite of the pastoral necessity mentioned by Fr. Asher (or the SSPX.org article on fast/abstinence):

    In reality, the concern is not that we must inform our faithful that the old law no longer binds, in order to save them from believing an obligation exists where it no longer does, which they willfully violate, and thereby commit a real sin.

    No.

    The real concern is that the old laws persist, and the SSPX, by making statements promoting the new harmful laws as real and true laws, induce the faithful to violate the 1917 CIC still in force!

    Granted, the subjective ignorance of the faithful saves them from gravity, but since when is it acceptable to induce venial sin?

    And at a higher level, is this not but one more very serious compromise of a rallying SSPX which claims to not have made any compromises?

    Here follows Cor Unum #41 (March - 1992), only one year after Archbishop Lefebvre's death:


    Cor Unum No41 - March 1992

    II. DECISION CONCERNING PROPER DISCIPLINE OF THE SOCIETY OF ST PIUS X IN RELATION TO THE NEW CODE OF CANON LAW

    1. The law is the object of justice. The purpose of ecclesiastical laws is to make the faithful practice justice by placing them in favourable situations, where Christian life is easy and by removing situations dangerous to faith and morals.

    2. The reception of the new code of canon law poses a real problem of conscience for Catholics in this regard. On the one hand, it is impressively far from the protection of faith and morals, both in general and in detail. And on the other hand, we do not want to jeopardize the respect due to legitimate authority.

    3. Archbishop Lefebvre, despite all his wisdom, did not believe that he could settle the question of the validity of the promulgation of this code, but its content and the principles set out in the apostolic letter of promulgation (25 January 1983) made it doubtful. In this case, according to canon 15 (nc. 14) this "new legislation is not urgent. In this situation, according to canon 23 (nc. 21), the 1917 code is not presumed revoked, but the new legislation must be brought back to the previous one and if possible reconciled with it. The guiding principles of this delicate conciliation follow.

    4. The 1917 code remains the reference, in the sense that it contains the spirit of the Church in its pure state and that we follow it in principle and to a large extent.

    5. This does not mean that we should not retain anything from the new code. Indeed, on the one hand, the Church's legislation, even codified, does not form an inseparable whole, in such a way that everything must be accepted or refused, and on the other hand, certain norms of the new code are justified, either because they bring about a useful simplification, or because they correspond to a homogeneous development of the Church's practice or to a better adaptation to circumstances. There is therefore nothing to prevent, but on the contrary, it seems appropriate to retain what is good in the new legislation and harmonize it with the legislation of the 1917 Code.

    6. New norms that oppose the Catholic faith or the divine constitution of the Church or that deviate from the protection due to faith and morals, we are obliged to refuse them (for example, the new rules on mixed marriages, nc. 1124- 1129). On the other hand, the new norms which, according to what has been established in (5), appear justified, we will retain them in place of the old ones, so as not to deprive ourselves or the faithful of the advantage they bring (This is the case of the removal of certain impediments to marriage: the exemption of "minor" impediments was systematically granted, it was therefore justifiable to remove them). But rather than new standards which, without being bad, would not bring any definite advantage, we must prefer the law codified in 1917 and we stand by it.

    7. Another principle must be applied: When the validity (of acts or sacraments) is at stake, it is difficult for us to dare to declare invalid what is considered valid in the rest of the Church, and vice versa, and there is also in this case a practical necessity, for the good of the faithful, not to place them in conflict with the legislation received in the official Church. In these cases, we opt for the 1983 standards, but then strengthen our discipline with legal requirements that bring it closer to the 1917 code (for example, age and affinity impediments to marriage).

    8. Finally, with regard to the matter and form of the sacraments, we must be tutiorists and, for example, consider as doubtful the confirmation conferred with an oil other than olive oil, until proven otherwise.

    Decision approved in broad terms by the General Council in Rickenbach on 3 January 1992, finalized by the Canonical Commission and enacted by the Superior General in Rickenbach on 8 February 1992.

    In this 2015 conference by Fr. Chazal, he also states that Archbishop Lefebvre rejected the 1983 Code of Canon law wholesale, and that it was Fr. Schmidberger who, in 1992 after Archbishop Lefebvre had been dead one year, overturned his policy.

    Fr. Chazal also states that it was Bishop Faure who told him about the change (as did Fr. Pivert, who was the SSPX's former canon lawyer)!

    Fr. Chazal mentions that most SSPX and even Resistance priests, like him, were not aware of this!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=291&v=ZKu_rOzXbj4
    Romans 5:20 "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: The Betrayal Came Quickly: Cor Unum #41
    « Reply #12 on: July 21, 2019, 08:24:58 PM »
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  • This is MAJOR news to me!

    Fr. Chazal says that Archbishop Lefebvre said the new Code of Canon Law is worse than the new Mass.

    No wonder Fr. Schmidberger later emerged as an accordista: He was against Lefebvre the monent he died!

    Yet we all thought the SSPX's posture these last 25 eyars was the Archbishops.

    No wonder they wanted to suppress his sermons/confrences!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Re: The Betrayal Came Quickly: Cor Unum #41
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  • This is MAJOR news to me!

    Fr. Chazal says that Archbishop Lefebvre said the new Code of Canon Law is worse than the new Mass.

    No wonder Fr. Schmidberger later emerged as an accordista: He was against Lefebvre the monent he died!

    Yet we all thought the SSPX's posture these last 25 eyars was the Archbishops.

    No wonder they wanted to suppress his sermons/confrences!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Have you ever read AA1025?
    Could Fr. Schmidberger have been a KGB-spy seminarian or a CIA or German spy from the beginning?

    Remember that these fake seminarians who served intel agencies rather than the Lord Jesus Christ started infecting seminaries back in the 1920s.
    Lord have mercy.

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    Der Protokoll am 5. Mai 1988

    Protokoll über ein Einvernehmen zwischen Sr. Em. Kardinal Joseph Ratzinger und Sr. E. Erzbischof Marcel Lefebvre, erstellt während  der  am 4.  Mai  1988  in  Rom  abgehaltenen Zusammenkunft, unterfertigt am 5. Mai 1988

    I. Text der doktrinalen Deklaration:
    Ich, Marcel Lefebvre, emeritierter Erzbischof-Bischof von Tulle, sowie die Mitglieder der von mir gegründeten Priesterbruderschaft St. Pius X.:

    [...]

    Schließlich versprechen wir, die allgemeine Disziplin der Kirche und die kirchlichen Gesetze zu achten, insbesondere jene des von Papst Johannes Paul II. promulgierten Kirchlichen Gesetzbuches, unbeschadet der der Bruderschaft durch ein besonderes Gesetz eingeräumten Sonderdisziplin.

    https://fsspx.org/de/der-protokoll-am-5-mai-1988


    Abp Lefebvre is ready to promise to respect "ecclesiastical laws", particularly the CIC of JPII (although L. had explained earlier that those modernists in Rome had been excommunicated ipso facto for modernism a long time ago).

    Also, in his speech at the episcopal ordinations 1988, Lefebvre named Prof. Georg May from Mainz, who had justified necessity using the CIC of 1983.


    Probably one can find quotes where L. rejects the modernist law, too.


    P.S.: "Das Protokoll vom 5. Mai 1988"  "Der Protokoll am 5. Mai 1988"
    It is absurd to imagine that he who is outside can command in the Church — Leo XIII., Satis Cognitum, 1896

     

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