Who would have to dispense us?
Vll eats meat every Friday

Who would have to dispense us?
Vll eats meat every Friday

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Q&A from the December 1962 and February 1963 editions of Homiletic and Pastoral Review indicating that at that point a dispensation from abstinence was diocese by diocese:

Q&A from the December 1962 and February 1963 editions of Homiletic and Pastoral Review indicating that at that point a dispensation from abstinence was diocese by diocese:

Thanks for this post, Emile. As I’ve said, this was an innovation under John XXIII and I believe that many traditional “sede” clergy are confused or mistaken about the timing.

One question that occurs to me is if you live in a diocese where the Bishop had given a dispensation, before John XXIII, would it be reasonable to view it as still in effect?

As far as I can tell, that dispensation was never given before John XXIII. The faculty was only granted for a five year period and had to be renewed. It seems to me that epikeia would be a bit of a stretch.

I forgot to note the distinction that is made between meat-derived foods, such as gravy, that may not have visible pieces of meat, but that retain the taste of meat due to fat, drippings, broth, etc.  Some moral theologians say this is not properly "meat", some say it is.  I would settle the doubt in favor of doing whatever one wishes in that regard.

I may have told this story before on here, but abstinence in Poland could be a little creative.  One Good Friday, my wife and I were there, and her godmother had prepared a soup with a chicken filet as big as one's hand.  When I questioned this, my wife said "oh, it's okay, it's just flavoring", and under this rubric, it was okay to eat the filet as well as the soup.  It could be that under communism, food was hard enough to come by, that the bishops granted an indult with leniency such as this, and it was never revoked.  I don't know.  (This was in the 1990s after the Jaruzelski regime had fallen.)

Annual bump!