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Re: Fr. Calderón Refutes Bishop Fellay
« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2026, 03:37:57 AM »
And what would be wrong with travelling far?
This is a crises. It requires sacrifice.

In an age of heresy and apostasy, your question should be "where is the remnant?". And it certainly cannot be in the SSPX anymore.

Then you have to ask yourself everytime you stand there at Mass, "do I stand with these people and their doctrinal position?"
Every trad group will have positions that you may not agree with. 

Re: Fr. Calderón Refutes Bishop Fellay
« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2026, 06:49:17 AM »
I am not absolutely sure, since conditinal ordinations are almost a masonic secret in the SSPX. I might as well be banned from receiving the sacraments, if I go around asking about it, since I will be seen as a troublemaker, who might disturb the consciences of the poor faithful.

What I do know for sure is that two Brazilian priests who were ordained in the Novus Ordo went and studied for about a year each on the La Reja (Argentina) seminary. After that, they became regular SSPX priests and were received formally into the congregation. Fr. Calderon has been a teacher there for decades. Oh, the irony.

I have already mentioned the names of these priests on this board. Fr. Reinaldo Barbosa and Fr. Fernando Pereira. There is also one certain Fr. Tiago Sancio, who is a "friend of the SSPX", who might join them in the future. This one I am certain that he has received no conditional ordination, since he said it himself to me by e-mail. He showed them his ordinations docuмents, and they said that a conditional ordination was not necessary. So much for the wise words of Fr. Calderon.

There is also an Irish priest, Fr. Aribe O'Reily (or something like that). He is also a Novus Ordo priest who lived in Brazil. He went back to Ireland, to study and join the SSPX, it seems. He will probably come back to haunt us once he is formally admitted.

They all seem to be nice people, and could be good priests if they studied all the seven years in the seminary and received a real ordination, but the leardership is obviously not worried about it.

All the same, I advise everybody to avoid any Novus Ordo priests who were admitted into the SSPX after 2012. There is of course the infamous case of a certain Fr. Stark, which was a factor in "the nine" being expelled from the SSPX way back in the 1980s, so, this is a problem that has existed for decades. You better avoid SSPX Novus Ordo priests altogether until you are certain that have been conditionally ordained.
Thanks for that GB, I didn't see it back in June when you wrote it for some reason.
Obviously it is not Fr Calderon who makes the decisions about conditional ordinations, but one wonders how he can watch on in silence if it is as you say.
That's the new Society... very troubling indeed. 
The Fr Stark case, however, is altogether different, infamous only because of the betrayal and rebellion of the nine. It does not involve the question of the new rite of episcopal consecration and we know that Archbishop Lefebvre judged his ordination to be certainly valid.


Re: Fr. Calderón Refutes Bishop Fellay
« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2026, 07:32:37 AM »
If this example happened to me the only way I could get communion would be flying out of state or going to an Eastern Rite Church (which can have it's own issues). I don't see an issue with confession as the confessional has a sign saying which priest is in.

You are better than us then, because we have no signs in confessionals and you are considered a bad person if you ask which priest is inside.

Re: Fr. Calderón Refutes Bishop Fellay
« Reply #13 on: January 07, 2026, 07:40:31 AM »
Thanks for that GB, I didn't see it back in June when you wrote it for some reason.
Obviously it is not Fr Calderon who makes the decisions about conditional ordinations, but one wonders how he can watch on in silence if it is as you say.
That's the new Society... very troubling indeed.
The Fr Stark case, however, is altogether different, infamous only because of the betrayal and rebellion of the nine. It does not involve the question of the new rite of episcopal consecration and we know that Archbishop Lefebvre judged his ordination to be certainly valid.

You are welcome.

You have a much higher esteem for the late Aechbishop's opinion than I do. That's OK.

Fr. Stark's case is about problems with the ordination rite, yes, but the general issue is the same, being questionably valid Holy Orders. With time, the issue becomes the same, as old (pre-conciliar) bishops and priests are almost all dead anyway.

Re: Fr. Calderón Refutes Bishop Fellay
« Reply #14 on: January 07, 2026, 08:33:49 AM »
Fr Alvaro Calderon, professor of philosophy and dogmatic theology at the seminary of the SSPX in Buenos Aires and author of several texts of extraordinary quality, such as "La Lámpara Bajo el Celemín" (The Lamp Under the Bushel) and "Prometheus, the Religion of Man," has published a study in the journal "Si, Si, No, No" No. 267,  November 2014, which is entitled "Are the Episcopal Consecrations Reformed by Paul VI Valid?"  Although the main purpose of the article is to respond to the objections of the sedevacantist sectors that oppose the validity of the new rite of episcopal consecration, some seriously erroneous statements made by Bishop Fellay in his never retracted "Doctrinal Declaration" of October 2012 are refuted from the point of view of sacramental theology in this study by Fr. Calderón .

Bishop Fellay said in No. 7 of the Doctrinal Declaration:
Consequently, the Superior General:

a) Recognizes the validity of all the sacraments reformed by the modernists, provided that they are held with the intention due. There are three components to consider in judging the validity of the sacraments: matter, form and intention of a true minister. Bishop Fellay does not object to anything regarding the matter, nor regarding the form of the Novus Ordo Sacraments, and refers only to the requirement of the necessary intent of the celebrant.

However, in the seminaries of the SSPX it has always been taught that there are serious doubts about the validity of various reformed [New/Novus Ordo] Sacraments, due to the changes introduced by the modernists as to the matter, form, or intention. That's why the sound custom of conditionally confirming those confirmed in the Novus Ordo and of conditionally ordaining those priests ordained according to the rite of Paul VI has always existed in the Society. Extreme Unction was always considered as very likely invalid, etc.

b) He states that these sacraments were legitimately promulgated, an ambiguous expression (Does he say that the Sacraments are legitimate or is it only the act of promulgating these that is legitimate?) that has been interpreted by the majority of Catholics as nothing more than an acceptance of the legitimacy of the Sacraments of the Novus Ordo. For the concept of "legitimacy", see here.

Well, Fr. Calderon says the contrary: The [New] Rite of Episcopal Consecration (which is sacramental) is "certainly illegitimate" and "probably valid" (noting that "there is no certainty of its validity").

Here are the essential quotes:
  • "The new rite is certainly illegitimate.
  • The new Rite that Paul VI intended to promulgate by his apostolic constitution Pontificalis Romani is certainly illegitimate by the accuмulation of two reasons: firstly, because no pope has authority to destroy the Roman liturgical tradition and much less so to invent a rite that is in rupture with the whole of Catholic tradition; secondly, because the contamination with modernist doctrines causes harm to the faith, and a decision contrary to the common good of the Church cannot have the force of law. (...)
  • Because of all this, even though the rite, considered as such, were totally orthodox and a better expression of the doctrine of the episcopate, it would not be legitimate, because no pope has the authority to break the liturgical tradition of the Church. The invention of a new Rite is an act which is certainly illegitimate, even if he is a pope or an angel from heavenwho intends to establish it. (...)
  • (...) And the Society is obligated to declare the illegitimacy of the Novus Ordo Missae, because of the doctrines of the Paschal Mystery that inspire it (...), so we must also recognize that the Novus Ordoepiscopal consecration is certainly illegitimate.
  • The new rite is probably valid.A sacramental rite can be certainly illegitimate, but that does not necessarily invalidate it. (...)
  • If we consider the matter, form and intention of the new rite of episcopal consecration in the context of the rite and the circuмstances of their institution, we think it is most likely valid (...)
  • But we also believe that there is no certainty of its validity (...)
  • Now, in a matter of utmost importance for the life of the Church, such as the validity of the episcopate, it is necessary to be absolutely certain. Therefore, to accept in good conscience this rite, it would be necessary to not only rely on the judgment of theologians, but on the infallible judgment of the Magisterium. As for the practical attitude to maintain in light of the new episcopal consecrations, it seems justified that which until now had been held by the Society: (Note the past tense, "had been held" NON POSSUMUS.) (...)
  • (...) the positive and objective defects that this Rite suffers, which prevent having certainty of its validity, we feel that (...) they justify and necessitate the conditional ordination of priests consecrated by new bishops and, if necessary, the conditional consecration of these bishops. Such doubts in the very root of the sacraments cannot be tolerated."
Coeurvoil, is the text you posted your own, or did you copy it from somewhere else?