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Offline JaneJ

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Bp. Williamson and Pope Francis’ Motu Proprio
« on: July 22, 2021, 02:18:44 PM »
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    Offline SeanJohnson

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    Re: Bp. Williamson and Pope Francis’ Motu Proprio
    « Reply #1 on: July 22, 2021, 02:28:52 PM »
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    • Quote from: JaneJ on July 22, 2021, 02:18:44 PM
    It was Bp. Williamson’s Swedish interview and the backlash that ensued that caused the downfall of Pope Benedict and the ɛƖɛctıon of Pope Francis.

    If he hadn’t opened his big mouth, we’d still have Benedict and his S.P. motu proprio would still be in effect. So, anyone complaining, you know who to thank.

    Who's complaining?

    Did you think this was Suscipe Domine? :laugh2:

    Most of us are happy the mask has fallen from the Roman trap.

    Traditionis Custodes is waking people up from their +Fellay-induced malaise, and seeing the Resistance was right all along: He was walking the SSPX into the Roman trap.

    PS: As regards SP, even the French District website is now admitting SP was a trap to limit the spread of the TLM.

    PPS: Say goodbye :laugh2: :laugh1:
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    Offline SeanJohnson

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    Re: Bp. Williamson and Pope Francis’ Motu Proprio
    « Reply #2 on: July 22, 2021, 02:39:57 PM »
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    • Quote from: JaneJ on July 22, 2021, 02:36:00 PM
    😂
    To be a trap the Benedict and Francis would have had to have conspired! Including the resignation.
    What a clown you are. A Williamsonite nutter and his cօռspιʀαcιҽs 😂

    Are you still here?

    Matthew must be getting coffee.

    Well, in the meantime, I guess I have time for one more refutation:

    Idiot: It has been a trap ever since the days of JPII.  The motives have been the same for all three.

    Let's let Lefebvre explain it to you, and see if it sinks in:

    "That is why what can look like a concession is in reality merely a maneuver to separate us from the largest number of faithful possible. This is the perspective in which they seem to be always giving a little more and even going very far. We must absolutely convince our faithful that it is no more than a maneuver, that it is dangerous to put oneself into the hands of the conciliar bishops and Modernist Rome. It is the greatest danger threatening our people. If we have struggled for twenty years to avoid the conciliar errors, it was not in order, now, to put ourselves into the hands of those professing these errors. (Archbishop Lefebvre, Interview, Fideliter, 1989)
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    Offline Pax Vobis

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    Re: Bp. Williamson and Pope Francis’ Motu Proprio
    « Reply #3 on: July 22, 2021, 02:40:55 PM »
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    To be a trap the Benedict and Francis would have had to have conspired! Including the resignation.

    Uhhh...+Francis admitted that the purpose of +Benedict's motu was to get the new-sspx to "make a deal".  When that didn't happen, the +Benedict "moderates" (good cops) relented and let the +Francis progressives (bad cops) take over, to now "crack down" on the TLM.
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    Yes, there was and is, a conspiracy.  If you don't see that now, you are a poor, sorry sheep.
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    Re: Bp. Williamson and Pope Francis’ Motu Proprio
    « Reply #4 on: July 22, 2021, 02:43:17 PM »
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    • Quote from: JaneJ on July 22, 2021, 02:18:44 PM
    It was Bp. Williamson’s Swedish interview and the backlash that ensued that caused the downfall of Pope Benedict and the ɛƖɛctıon of Pope Francis.

    If he hadn’t opened his big mouth, we’d still have Benedict and his S.P. motu proprio would still be in effect. So, anyone complaining, you know who to thank. Indeed, for everything objectionable Francis has done.

    I'm not sure whether you're right, but if you are, then credit where credit is due.

    Humble Bergoglio is part of providence. Our Lord didn't want to have people being deceived by chiseler Ratzinger forever.
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    Re: Bp. Williamson and Pope Francis’ Motu Proprio
    « Reply #5 on: July 22, 2021, 03:36:11 PM »
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    • Quote from: JaneJ on July 22, 2021, 02:18:44 PM
    It was Bp. Williamson’s Swedish interview and the backlash that ensued that caused the downfall of Pope Benedict and the ɛƖɛctıon of Pope Francis.

    If he hadn’t opened his big mouth, we’d still have Benedict and his S.P. motu proprio would still be in effect. So, anyone complaining, you know who to thank. Indeed, for everything objectionable Francis has done.

    You'd still have B16's Motu Proprio, true. And B16's resignation did have to do him not being able to deliver the SSPX to the conciliar church IMO. B16 resigned about five weeks after the SSPX said that they wouldn't accept a deal. But really, it was B16 who threw a wrench into the deal at the last minute. Do you remember that?

    But the only reason B16 instituted that Moto Proprio (Summorum Pontificuм) was to try to draw the SSPX back the to the conciliar church. And it nearly worked. B16 was likely told (ordered) to deliver the SSPX back into the confines of the church (conciliar church). B16 didn't give a hoot about helping out trads who still want to be in the conciliar church. And, the SSPX almost took the bait. In fact, they have taken the bait to a certain extent, though they are not 'formally' recognized by Rome. 

    Do you have any idea what Modernism is?
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    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Bp. Williamson and Pope Francis’ Motu Proprio
    « Reply #6 on: July 22, 2021, 04:16:34 PM »
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    • Quote from: JaneJ on July 22, 2021, 02:36:00 PM
    😂
    To be a trap the Benedict and Francis would have had to have conspired! Including the resignation.
    What a clown you are. A Williamsonite nutter and his cօռspιʀαcιҽs 😂

    JaneJ: Calls you a Williamsonite conspiracy nutter.
    Also JaneJ: Pushes her own conspiracy about Bishop Williamson.

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    Re: Bp. Williamson and Pope Francis’ Motu Proprio
    « Reply #7 on: July 22, 2021, 05:40:09 PM »
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    • Seriously though, has Bishop Williamson responded to Bergoglio's MP?
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    Re: Bp. Williamson and Pope Francis’ Motu Proprio
    « Reply #8 on: July 22, 2021, 05:43:51 PM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on July 22, 2021, 05:40:09 PM
    Seriously though, has Bishop Williamson responded to Bergoglio's MP?

    I didn’t have a chance to watch his sermon from Sunday, but sure as there’s carts to horses, it’ll be in the EC’s this week or next.

    But here was his sermon from Sunday:

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    Re: Bp. Williamson and Pope Francis’ Motu Proprio
    « Reply #9 on: July 22, 2021, 05:58:11 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on July 22, 2021, 05:43:51 PM
    I didn’t have a chance to watch his sermon from Sunday, but sure as there’s carts to horses, it’ll be in the EC’s this week or next.

    But here was his sermon from Sunday:



    Passing reference to the MP at 13:35, then in more detail beginning at 20:40.
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    Re: Bp. Williamson and Pope Francis’ Motu Proprio
    « Reply #10 on: July 22, 2021, 06:09:58 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on July 22, 2021, 05:58:11 PM
    Passing reference to the MP at 13:35, then in more detail beginning at 20:40.

    Whoa!
    That’s one helluva sermon.
    Ladislaus is going to like this one.
    I’m starting a new thread for it shortly, with minute/topical bulletpoints.
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