A Traditional Catholic priest says:

Once again (get used to it, it happens constantly) you have a case of PROJECTION.

The TIA worships their founder as a cult does, and so they PROJECT that onto the SSPX and Abp. Lefebvre.
They assume everyone does as they do. It's classic.

Sorry, TIA. Supporters of the SSPX, Resistance, and Abp. Lefebvre do so for DOCTRINAL reasons. Even if it came out that +Lefebvre committed unmentionable crimes (which is ridiculous given his holy life, but bear with me for this hypothetical), I wouldn't question my support of the Resistance (the heir to +Lefebvre's SSPX). I wouldn't start shaking, have a nervous breakdown, question everything, and end up joining the Conciliar Church or something. On the contrary, it wouldn't faze me.

That's because my support is built on a foundation of stone -- of doctrine -- and I can't question doctrine or objective truth. My support isn't based on feelings or the personality of one man. Men can fall. That doesn't mean my support of the truth can fall. Any man can have a tragic downfall; it's even easier for a man to commit a single mistake! But that doesn't mean we should abandon the best, safest position to be in during the Crisis in the Church.

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Matthew, I'm sorry, but I would have to classify your sudden condemnation of TIA as PROTECTION.

But that's okay, we're big boys and can take it when the forum's "Caesar Augustus" doth speak.

Protection? Of who?

I have heard and read plenty of negative things about Tradition in Action and Tradition Family Property (TFP). The fact that the great bishops of the 20th century (+Lefebvre and +de Castro Mayer) separated themselves from the movement says a lot to me.

And the fact that they're slandering the good name of +ABL just seals the deal.

Sure, I bet a bunch of anti-clerical laymen can write up a lot of articles with truth in them about the family, Tradition, the Modern World, etc. -- a broken clock is right twice a day, and even a blind squirrel can find a nut here and there. But there is something fundamentally wrong when anti-clericalism is in the charter and/or leadership of the organization. Same with cult of personality and esoteric practices. These things vitiate whatever good the group might be doing.

Is the FSSP or local Indult worth supporting just because they say a Rosary, promote modest dress, or condemn abortion once in a while? Or is their approval of the "Ordinary Form" (Novus Ordo) a deal breaker, as it should be?

Likewise, the SSPX does *countless* good today, June 2019. Valid Masses, promotion of the Rosary, many good sermons, they have lots of good books in print, etc. But since they are fundamentally embracing Vatican II and the Conciliar Church, officially and at the very top, compromising the truth, calling evil "good" and good "evil", and playing games with the Faithful, I want nothing to do with them. I reject the whole package -- the 90% good they're doing, along with the 10% poison. Ingesting the 10% poison is *never* worth it.

That's also why I reject Vatican II. I don't need it. Vatican II didn't define any new dogmas; I have those already even if I reject the whole Council.  Which is what I've done and plan to continue doing. I hate Vatican II with a holy hatred, right alongside the actual devil.  Why distinguish between the devil and the devil's work? They are both hateful.

Everything the SSPX has done in the past 7 years can be summed up in this one sin: opening up to Vatican II, which includes cozying up to the post-Vatican II ("Conciliar") Church.  This alone is justification for heading for the exits (which I have done). I was raised Traditional Catholic. Traditional Catholics hate Vatican II; they want NOTHING to do with it. They don't attend the Novus Ordo, not even if it's the only option. They also don't concern themselves with "permission" from Conciliar Rome to be Catholic and keep the Faith. God already gave me permission, actually an obligation, to save my soul. That means I have permission to reject the Novus Ordo and Vatican II completely. He who wills the end wills the means.

A little sugar in the gas tank can ruin a car. A teaspoon of arsenic in a gallon of delicious lemonade can be fatal.

A Traditional Catholic priest says:

Once again (get used to it, it happens constantly) you have a case of PROJECTION.

The TIA worships their founder as a cult does, and so they PROJECT that onto the SSPX and Abp. Lefebvre.
They assume everyone does as they do. It's classic.

Sorry, TIA. Supporters of the SSPX, Resistance, and Abp. Lefebvre do so for DOCTRINAL reasons. Even if it came out that +Lefebvre committed unmentionable crimes (which is ridiculous given his holy life, but bear with me for this hypothetical), I wouldn't question my support of the Resistance (the heir to +Lefebvre's SSPX). I wouldn't start shaking, have a nervous breakdown, question everything, and end up joining the Conciliar Church or something. On the contrary, it wouldn't faze me.

That's because my support is built on a foundation of stone -- of doctrine -- and I can't question doctrine or objective truth. My support isn't based on feelings or the personality of one man. Men can fall. That doesn't mean my support of the truth can fall. Any man can have a tragic downfall; it's even easier for a man to commit a single mistake! But that doesn't mean we should abandon the best, safest position to be in during the Crisis in the Church.

Thank you for looking at the big picture and putting things into perspective.

Thank you for looking at the big picture and putting things into perspective.

I'll second that!

what do you think, that they are going to turn anyone that reads their articles into Plinio zombies?  

As you well know (that is, if you actually read the replies to your posts) -- the distinction between the seemingly Catholic articles on the TIA website and the anti-Catholic nature of mocking the consecration to Our Blessed Mother by making a consecration to a living and fallen (as we all are) human being is vast.




This vast distinction has already been addressed. The secret society of Plinio- worship, "praying" to Plinio and becoming a slave to Plinio is within the secret society within the larger organization. Of course these anti-Catholic actions are unknown to the larger membership.




The comparison to Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ is accurate because that is exactly how the secret society within Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ operates. You would understand how much you sound like a Porch Mason if you had ever attempted to speak to one about what Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ actually is. They will loudly deny the sad truth and ardently defend the Porch group to which they belong -- wrongly thinking that the Porch is all that exists.

The letter was signed by a Mr. Christopher Shannon, dated from 1997. Perhaps if he is still living, some one can locate him and ask about his opinions from his experience at Econe, and why it seems there has not been any similar accusations against Msgr Lefebvre..

This begs the question of whether or not such a letter or such a person actually exist outside of the imagination of Atila, who has an ugly history of using unnamed "sources" and innuendo in order to attack Catholic priests, Catholic bishops and one Catholic Cardinal.

 And Adam was not seduced; but the woman being seduced, was in the transgression. 

The Fall is often referred to as "The sin of Adam," not "The sin of Eve."
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