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Joint communiqué of Bishop Huonder and Father Pagliarani
« on: May 20, 2019, 08:14:09 AM »
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  • On Monday, May 20, 2019, Pope Francis relieved Bishop Vitus Huonder of his duties as Bishop of the Diocese of Chur (Switzerland), while appointing an administrator with a view to the election of his successor.
    According to an intention that he stated long ago, Bishop Huonder is retiring to a house of the Society of Saint Pius X. The one sole purpose of this step is to dedicate himself to prayer and silence, to celebrate the traditional Mass exclusively, and to work for Tradition, the only way of renewing the Church.
    The Society of Saint Pius X appreciates Bishop Huonder’s courageous decision and rejoices to be able to provide him with the spiritual and priestly surroundings that he desires so deeply. May this example be followed by others, so as to “restore everything in Christ”.
    May 20, 2019
    His Excellency Vitus Huonder                                 Don Davide Pagliarani
    Bishop Emeritus of Chur                                        Superior General of the SSPX
    Please disregard everything I have said; I have tended to speak before fact checking.


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    Re: Joint communiqué of Bishop Huonder and Father Pagliarani
    « Reply #1 on: May 20, 2019, 08:30:50 AM »
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  • Thank you for posting this.

    Because I appreciate when important news is posted, I gave a thumbs up.

    That is what the thumbs-up means: "Thank you! Please keep up the good work and post more things of this nature."

    As anyone who has been on CathInfo for 1 week knows, I am NOT AT ALL happy about the SSPX cozying up to Modernist Rome, forming new connections with the Conciliar Church, compromising, and changing on a daily basis.

    So although I consider this BAD NEWS for Tradition, I give it a hearty thumbs up because I'm not going to "shoot the messenger". I appreciate the messenger posting this important news on CathInfo, even if this particular news story is bad news.
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    Re: Joint communiqué of Bishop Huonder and Father Pagliarani
    « Reply #2 on: May 20, 2019, 08:53:51 AM »
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  • “The one sole purpose of this step is to dedicate himself to prayer and silence, to celebrate the traditional Mass exclusively, and to work for Tradition, the only way of renewing the Church.”

    [Choking on my coffee...]

    The one sole step?

    What liars!

    We already have it from the horses mouth that +Huonder is assigned this task to act as an official liaison between the SSPX and Francis!

    Disgraceful for priests to abuse truth so flagrantly.

    The gorge rises.

    And the idea that this altar girl using, Communion in the hand dispensing bishop is now going to suddenly “work for Tradition” (now that he is retired?) takes you all for idiots!

    Of course, in Menzingen they now believe that facilitating an accord between the new-SSPX and ultra-modernist Rome = “working for Tradition!”

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    Re: Joint communiqué of Bishop Huonder and Father Pagliarani
    « Reply #3 on: May 20, 2019, 08:56:16 AM »
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  • I want too join in union of prayer with Bishop Huonder and pray that the situation will develop in which there will be no need for a resistance. 

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    Re: Joint communiqué of Bishop Huonder and Father Pagliarani
    « Reply #4 on: May 20, 2019, 09:02:25 AM »
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  • “The one sole purpose of this step is to dedicate himself to prayer and silence, to celebrate the traditional Mass exclusively, and to work for Tradition, the only way of renewing the Church.”

    [Choking on my coffee...]

    The one sole step?

    What liars!

    We already have it from the horses mouth that +Huonder is assigned this task to act as an official liaison between the SSPX and Francis!

    Disgraceful for priests to abuse truth so flagrantly.

    The gorge rises.

    And the idea that this altar girl using, Communion in the hand dispensing bishop is now going to suddenly “work for Tradition” (now that he is retired?) takes you all for idiots!

    Of course, in Menzingen they now believe that facilitating an accord between the new-SSPX and ultra-modernist Rome = “working for Tradition!”

    Regarding the alleged “one sole purpose:”

    Vatican City (kath.net/KAP)
    Bishop Vitus Huonder of Chur was received on Monday by Pope Francis in private audience. Details of the conversation were not announced by the Vatican and the Swiss diocese. Vitus Huonder (76) has been Bishop of Chur since 2007; In April 2017, the Pope had extended his term by two years. As the acceptance of his resignation is expected shortly, on April 21 Huonder will complete his 77th year of life.

    As the diocese confirmed at the end of January, Huonder wants to retire to Wangs in the canton of Sankt Gallen. There he will keep contact with the Society for the Vatican. The "Society of Saint Pius X" runs a school in Wangs, the "Institut Sancta Maria".

    In January, Pope Francis dissolved the Vatican Commission "Ecclesia Dei" responsible for the dialogue with the Society of Saint Pius X and integrated its task into the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. In the dispute with the Society, there were only differences in Church doctrine, and for this, only the Congregation itself was responsible, it was said in the Pope’s decree.


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    Re: Joint communiqué of Bishop Huonder and Father Pagliarani
    « Reply #5 on: May 20, 2019, 09:25:26 AM »
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  • Thank you for posting this.

    Because I appreciate when important news is posted, I gave a thumbs up.

    That is what the thumbs-up means: "Thank you! Please keep up the good work and post more things of this nature."

    As anyone who has been on CathInfo for 1 week knows, I am NOT AT ALL happy about the SSPX cozying up to Modernist Rome, forming new connections with the Conciliar Church, compromising, and changing on a daily basis.

    So although I consider this BAD NEWS for Tradition, I give it a hearty thumbs up because I'm not going to "shoot the messenger". I appreciate the messenger posting this important news on CathInfo, even if this particular news story is bad news.
    Of course. We need to keep up to date with what is going on. I was told on March 31 from a Society priest whom I will leave unnamed that that very week a memo had come through saying he will not be coming anytime soon if ever! Less then two months later and here he is. I don’t know about you but two months isn’t “a long time” 
    Please disregard everything I have said; I have tended to speak before fact checking.

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    Re: Joint communiqué of Bishop Huonder and Father Pagliarani
    « Reply #6 on: May 20, 2019, 09:54:36 AM »
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    I want too join in union of prayer with Bishop Huonder and pray that the situation will develop in which there will be no need for a resistance.
    The only situation that could develop which would make the resistance unnecessary is the pope burning the V2 docuмents in St Peter's square and prohibiting the new mass under penalty of excommunication.  (and a correction of the 500,000 other related things to these 2 evils).
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    But this will never happen because this isn't the new-sspx's goal.  They no longer will ACT to CONVERT new-rome.  They only want to become FRIENDS with these HERETICS and hope that new-rome will convert by EXAMPLE.  This is a naive and utopian dream.  It is a moral certainty that if you have bad friends, your morals will be corrupted.

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    Re: Joint communiqué of Bishop Huonder and Father Pagliarani
    « Reply #7 on: May 20, 2019, 10:09:56 AM »
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  • Bishop Hounder

    As for Father P, probably a younger version of King Theoden, but more clueless
    Da pacem Domine in diebus nostris
    Qui non est alius
    Qui pugnet pro nobis
    Nisi  tu Deus noster


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    Re: Joint communiqué of Bishop Huonder and Father Pagliarani
    « Reply #8 on: May 20, 2019, 11:44:57 AM »
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  • The only situation that could develop which would make the resistance unnecessary is the pope burning the V2 docuмents in St Peter's square and prohibiting the new mass under penalty of excommunication.  (and a correction of the 500,000 other related things to these 2 evils).
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    But this will never happen because this isn't the new-sspx's goal.  They no longer will ACT to CONVERT new-rome.  They only want to become FRIENDS with these HERETICS and hope that new-rome will convert by EXAMPLE.  This is a naive and utopian dream.  It is a moral certainty that if you have bad friends, your morals will be corrupted.
    Is it possible that with his new SSPX friends that Bishop Houder's morals will improve?  

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    Re: Joint communiqué of Bishop Huonder and Father Pagliarani
    « Reply #9 on: May 20, 2019, 11:59:50 AM »
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    Formal and clear heresy acts like a dagger.
    Equivocation acts like a slow poison.
    Heresy attacks a precise article of dogma.
    Equivocation undermines the habitus of faith
    and thus weakens all dogmas.
    One becomes a formal heretic only by willing it.
    Equivocation instead is able to demolish the faith
    of a man unbeknownst to him.
    Heresy affirms what dogma denies or
    denies what it affirms.
    Equivocation destroys the faith just as radically,
    by refraining from either affirming or denying,
    by turning revealed certainty into personal opinion.

    -- Abbe Raymond Dulac

    Bishop Huonder and Father Pagliarani, like Francis, are using equivocation, which subtly destroys the faith.

    They all must be exposed for their treasonous lies, which come from the Father of Lies, Satan.
    Lord have mercy.

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    Re: Joint communiqué of Bishop Huonder and Father Pagliarani
    « Reply #10 on: May 20, 2019, 12:02:02 PM »
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    Is it possible that with his new SSPX friends that Bishop Houder's morals will improve?  
    Who cares?  What about all the other 1,000s of bishops in the world that the new-sspx will not affect because the new-sspx will have to "be positive" and not be able to criticize V2 or the new mass, just like when the FSSP joined new-rome, they couldn't criticize the heretical direction of new-rome.  Every trad group who has joined new-rome has been neutered and not allowed to be critical.  This makes "admonishing the sinners" of new-rome impossible, so the chances of them converting due to the new-sspx's influence, is almost nil.


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    Re: Joint communiqué of Bishop Huonder and Father Pagliarani
    « Reply #11 on: May 20, 2019, 12:14:12 PM »
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  • https://remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/headline-news-around-the-world/item/4474-novus-ordo-bishop-retires-to-sspx-district-house

    The Remnant picked up the story also, but look how they title the story, it appears hey are more direct that than SSPX's title "Joint communiqué of Bishop Huonder and Fa Father Pagliarani". Here is what the Remnant chose to title it:

    Novus Ordo Bishop Retires to SSPX District House

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    Re: Joint communiqué of Bishop Huonder and Father Pagliarani
    « Reply #12 on: May 20, 2019, 02:05:53 PM »
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  • Posted the following in The Remnant’s “comments” section, but doubt it will see the light of day (and even if they were inclined to publish it, they would get a call from the District within a couple hours to delete it).

    Therefore, posting it here:


    “Can someone explain to me how the joint declaration’s statement that “the one sole purpose” for Bishop Huonder’s retirement to the sspx school is to dedicate himself to prayer, silence, say the TLM, and work for the restoration of Tradition is compatible with the Diocese of Chur’s Kathnet announcement of a couple months ago, acknowledging that the bishop has been given this assignment by Francis to be a liaison between the SSPX and Rome?

    Moreover, am I to believe the same bishop recently pictured celebrating the new Mass with altar girls, and giving communion in the hand, has suddenly changed his spots, and conveniently became a traditionalist on the day of his retirement?

    And of what does Bishop Huonder’s newfound “traditionalism” consist, beyond saying the old Mass?  Does he suddenly reject his own former ecuмenism?  Does he reject the errors of Vatican II?  What are his thoughts on the new questionable sacraments (eg., vegetable oil for extreme unction)?  Etc., etc.

    Just a few days after tossing cold water on the initiative of theologians who were seeking to continue the deposition process of Francis (initially begun by Cardinal Burke, and continued by the Correctio Fillialis), the SSPX now sends a disturbing message to its faithful:

    We are on the same side as the modernists.

    The SSPX, which once served as a bastion of truth, today tells a blatant falsehood through its superior general, regarding the purpose of Bishop Huonder’s arrival (contradicted by the bishop himself).

    There is only one way this joint declaration is compatible with truth (at least subjectively):

    The SSPX today believes that working for a practical accord with unconverted Rome = “working for Tradition.”

    The previous generation of SSPXers were indoctrinated by Archbishop Lefebvre after the consecrations to hold such a position as the gravest danger to the faithful (see his 1991 Fideliter interview).

    Conversely, the last 20 years of SSPX leadership have striven mightily (and successfully) to inculcate exactly the opposite principle: Legal recognition is the primary goal.

    Very few have possessed the perspicacity of mind to detect this reorientation of the SSPX, and those who have have become maligned more than baby murdering devil worshippers.

    Will The Remnant possess the journalistic integrity to allow this perspective to aire?  It will gain my respect if it does.”

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    Re: Joint communiqué of Bishop Huonder and Father Pagliarani
    « Reply #13 on: May 20, 2019, 02:29:33 PM »
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  • Ok Remnant:

    My respect for your journalistic integrity rises.

    I did not think you would post it.

    More than happy to have been wrong.

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    Re: Joint communiqué of Bishop Huonder and Father Pagliarani
    « Reply #14 on: May 20, 2019, 02:39:54 PM »
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  • Is it possible that with his new SSPX friends that Bishop Houder's morals will improve?  

    Yes, some of his morals might improve, except for those associated with the 8th Commandment, since the leadership of the SSPX does not hold the 8th Commandment in high regard at all.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29