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Offline Prayerful

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Re: Explosive letter: Francis Covered McCarrick “To the Bitter End"
« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2018, 04:32:03 PM »
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  • PF's federates are employing the usual methods of attacking the messenger, a trusted curial official becomes a sort of extremist on their planet. It largely confirms what was strongly suspected, but I cannot PF resigning. He's never taken a holiday and these shameful and shameless five years suggest PF will brazen it out.


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    Re: Explosive letter: Francis Covered McCarrick “To the Bitter End"
    « Reply #2 on: August 26, 2018, 05:01:54 PM »
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  • ... According to Diane Mongagna of LifeSiteNews, who provided an English translation of Viganò’s statement in an August 25 report (from which all subsequent excerpts in this story are taken), “Viganò personally spoke with Francis about the gravity of McCarrick’s abuse soon after his election in 2013.” ...

    Montagna writes that the former nuncio says that despite his warnings,

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    Francis “continued to cover him” and not only did he “not take into account the sanctions that Pope Benedict had imposed on him” but also made McCarrick “his trusted counselor” who helped him to appoint a number of bishops in the United States, including Cardinals Blase Cupich of Chicago and Joseph Tobin of Newark.

    Archbishop Viganò also implicates Cardinals Sodano, Bertone and Parolin in the cover-up and insists various other cardinals and bishops were well aware, including Cardinal Donald Wuerl, McCarrick’s successor as Archbishop of Washington D.C.

    “I myself brought up the subject with Cardinal Wuerl on several occasions, and I certainly didn’t need to go into detail because it was immediately clear to me that he was fully aware of it,” he writes. Cardinal Wuerl’s “recent statements that he knew nothing about it … are absolutely laughable. He lies shamelessly.”

    “Cardinal Wuerl, well aware of the continuous abuses committed by Cardinal McCarrick and the sanctions imposed on him by Pope Benedict, transgressing the Pope’s order, also allowed him to reside at a seminary in Washington D.C. In doing so, he put other seminarians at risk,” he attests.
    See this link for the full story: https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/former-us-nuncio-pope-francis-knew-of-mccarricks-misdeeds-repealed-sanction
    Lord have mercy.

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    state-sponsored deposition of Bergoglio?
    « Reply #3 on: August 26, 2018, 06:35:02 PM »
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  • I wonder of the States of the world will convene a council to depose Bergoglio (or declare him ipso facto deposed).
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    Re: state-sponsored deposition of Bergoglio?
    « Reply #4 on: August 26, 2018, 06:45:50 PM »
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  • I wonder of the States of the world will convene a council to depose Bergoglio (or declare him ipso facto deposed).
    Seriously, look at what you wrote. NO ONE has authority over the pope except Our Lord Jesus Christ. No earthly power. Not all the cardinals and bishops together have any authority over the pope. It is heresy to believe the contrary. You can not depose a true pope. Period! Again, it is heresy to believe that. This is one onf the serious problems with the R&R position.


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    Re: state-sponsored deposition of Bergoglio?
    « Reply #5 on: August 26, 2018, 07:24:22 PM »
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  • I wonder of the States of the world will convene a council to depose Bergoglio (or declare him ipso facto deposed).
    What Arizona meth lab you living in that makes you conjure up this theological horse manure? That's not how that works at all.
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    Re: state-sponsored deposition of Bergoglio?
    « Reply #6 on: August 26, 2018, 07:43:00 PM »
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  • theological horse manure? That's not how that works at all.
    Councils have been convened by secular authorities before.
    Seriously, look at what you wrote. NO ONE has authority over the pope except Our Lord Jesus Christ. No earthly power.
    That's why I wrote: "or declare him ipso facto deposed" (by Christ Himself)
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    Re: Explosive letter: Francis Covered McCarrick “To the Bitter End"
    « Reply #7 on: August 26, 2018, 08:10:25 PM »
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  • In "Historic Bombshell,"   Vatican Official Accuses Pope Francis of covering up sɛҳuąƖ Abuse, Calls for his Resignation!

    Source: ZeroHedge

    In an extraordinary 11-page written testament, one which the NYT's Ross Douthat called a "truly historic bombshell", a former papal nunco, or Vatican ambassador, to the US, it does what many have called for, and offers testimony concerning "who in the hierarchy knew what, and when," about the crimes of Cardinal McCarrick. The testimony implicates a host of high-ranking churchmen. And the pope.
    Vigano said that he told Pope Francis in 2013 about allegations of sɛҳuąƖ abuse against a prominent priest — and that Francis took no action. Now, the former official, Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano, 77, is calling for Francis to step down.
    Vigano made the allegations in a lengthy statement that concludes with a call for Francis' resignation:
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    "In this extremely dramatic moment for the universal Church, he must acknowledge his mistakes and, in keeping with the proclaimed principle of zero tolerance, Pope Francis must be the first to set a good example to Cardinals and Bishops who covered up McCarrick's abuses and resign along with all of them."
    The former Vatican official, who served as apostolic nuncio in Washington D.C. from 2011 to 2016, said that in the late 2000s, Benedict had “imposed on Cardinal McCarrick sanctions similar to those now imposed on him by Pope Francis” and that Viganò personally told Pope Francis about those sanctions in 2013.
    Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano, former Apostolic Nuncio to United States.
    Archbishop Viganò then said in his written statement that Pope Francis “continued to cover” for McCarrick and not only did he “not take into account the sanctions that Pope Benedict had imposed on him” but also made McCarrick “his trusted counselor.” Vigano said that the former archbishop of Washington advised the Pope to appoint a number of bishops in the United States, including Cardinals Blase Cupich of Chicago and Joseph Tobin of Newark.
    CBS News spoke by telephone to Vigano, who confirmed he wrote the statement and said he was speaking out now "to combat the grave situation in the church, to protect the church and also to stop future abuse." He told CBS News producer Anna Matranga that he had no agenda and was stating facts.
    Vigano, who retired in 2016 at age 75, described an exchange with Francis on June 23, 2013, shortly after he became pope, about Cardinal Theodore McCarrick, the former archbishop of Washington, D.C., who resigned last month over claims he sɛҳuąƖly abused seminary students and an altar boy.
    Vigano writes that he told Francis about the allegations: "Holy Father, I don't know if you know Cardinal McCarrick, but if you ask the Congregation for Bishops there is a dossier this thick about him. He corrupted generations of seminarians and priests and Pope Benedict ordered him to withdraw to a life of prayer and penance."
    Vigano writes the pope did not respond to the statement, and McCarrick continued in his role as a public figure for the church.
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    "Pope Francis has repeatedly asked for total transparency in the Church. He must honestly state when he first learned about the crimes committed by McCarrick, who abused his authority with seminarians and priests. In any case, the Pope learned about it from me on June 23, 2013 and continued to cover him."
    Pope Francis addressed the sex abuse scandal on Saturday in comments made in Dublin. "The failure of ecclesiastical authorities — bishops, religious superiors, priests and others — to adequately address these repugnant crimes has rightly given rise to outrage, and remains a source of pain and shame for the Catholic community," he said. "I myself share these sentiments."
    Pope Francis accepted McCarrick's resignation on July 28. McCarrick has maintained his innocence, but this month, a Pennsylvania grand jury issued a report that said more than 300 priests abused more than 1,000 children, and likely thousands more, over seven decades.
    Father Boniface Ramsey of New York told CBS News this month that he repeatedly complained about McCarrick and heard about his disturbing behavior as early as 1986.
    Nearly 100 of the accused clergy are from the Pittsburgh diocese alone, where Donald Wuerl, the current cardinal of Washington, D.C., was the bishop for 18 years.
    In his statement, Vigano wrote that Wuerl also knew about McCarrick. "His recent statements that he knew nothing about it … are absolutely laughable. The cardinal lies shamelessly," Vigano wrote.
    In an interview with CBS News correspondent Nikki Battiste before the grand jury report, Wuerl said that he was quick to deal with allegations and that he was not aware of any rumors about McCarrick.
    "If there were allegations, we dealt with them immediately," he said. "All the time that [McCarrick] was here and certainly all the time that I've been here, there was never any news. If I could tell you no one ever came to me and said this person did this to me. No one. No one. And remember, we were just talking about Pittsburgh. I was in Pittsburgh...we weren't following the rumors of different parts of the country."
    Wuerl also suggested to CBS News that McCarrick had paid a price for his actions. "He has resigned and his resignation has been accepted. And he's been told to stay in seclusion...that's a pretty substantial penalty to be paying."
    Vigano's statement calls on the church to take action.
    "To restore the beauty of holiness to the face of the Bride of Christ — so tremendously disfigured by so many abominable crimes, if we truly want to free the Church from the fetid swamp into which she has fallen, we must have the courage to tear down the culture of secrecy and publicly confess the truths that we have kept hidden."
    As Douthat concludes, "This is either an extraordinary and vicious slander or an act of revelation that should be the undoing of just about every figure mentioned in its pages. It has an apocalyptic feel either way."
    His full testimony is below (pdf link)


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    Annnnnd in the evening's *other* news, this docuмent is quite possibly a truly historic bombshell in the life of the Roman Catholic Church. https://assets.docuмentcloud.org/docuмents/4784141/TESTIMONYXCMVX-XENGLISH-CORRECTED-FINAL-VERSION.pdf …
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    TESTIMONY
     
    by His Excellency Carlo Maria Viganò Titular Archbishop of Ulpiana Apostolic Nuncio In this tragic moment for the Church in various parts of the world — the United States, Chile, Honduras, Australia, etc. — bishops have a very grave responsibility. I am thinking in particular of the United States of America, where I was sent as Apostolic Nuncio by Pope Benedict XVI on October 19, 2011, the memorial feast of the First North American Martyrs. The Bishops of the United States are called, and I with them, to follow the example of these first martyrs who brought the Gospel to the lands of America, to be credible witnesses of the immeasurable love of Christ, the Way, the Truth and the Life. Bishops and priests, abusing their authority, have committed horrendous crimes to the detriment of their faithful, minors, innocent victims, and young men eager to offer their lives to the Church, or by their silence have not prevented that such crimes continue to be perpetrated. To restore the beauty of holiness to the face of the Bride of Christ, which is terribly disfigured by so many abominable crimes, and if we truly want to free the Church from the fetid swamp into which she has fallen, we must have the courage to tear down the culture of secrecy and publicly confess the truths we have kept hidden. We must tear down the conspiracy of silence with which bishops and priests have protected themselves at the expense of their faithful, a conspiracy of silence that in the eyes of the world risks making the Church look like a sect, a conspiracy of silence not so dissimilar from the one that prevails in the mafia. “Whatever you have said in the dark ... shall be proclaimed from the housetops” (Lk. 12:3). I had always believed and hoped that the hierarchy of the Church could find within itself the spiritual resources and strength to tell the whole truth, to amend and to renew itself. That is why, even though I had repeatedly been asked to do so, I always avoided making statements to the media, even when it would have been my right to do so, in order to defend myself against the calumnies published about me, even by high-ranking prelates of the Roman Curia. But now that the corruption has reached the very top of the Church’s hierarchy, my conscience dictates that I reveal those truths regarding the heart-b


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    Re: state-sponsored deposition of Bergoglio?
    « Reply #8 on: August 26, 2018, 08:22:43 PM »
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  • That's why I wrote: "or declare him ipso facto deposed"

    "ipso facto deposed" means: No declaration needed. Deposed already, deposed by the fact itself.
    Men are not bound, or able to read hearts; but when they see that someone is a heretic by his external works, they judge him to be a heretic pure and simple ... Jerome points this out. (St. Robert Bellarmine)

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    Re: Explosive letter: Francis Covered McCarrick “To the Bitter End"
    « Reply #9 on: August 26, 2018, 08:32:31 PM »
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  • Reaction from Conservative Novus Ordo Catholics:

    Church Militant-Pope Francis Must Resign

    https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/episcopal-sodomy-pope-francis-must-resign

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    Re: Explosive letter: Francis Covered McCarrick “To the Bitter End"
    « Reply #10 on: August 26, 2018, 11:18:15 PM »
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  • Reaction from Conservative Novus Ordo Catholics:

    Church Militant-Pope Francis Must Resign

    https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/episcopal-sodomy-pope-francis-must-resign
    I guess Mr. Voris is singing a different tune now, eh? 
    "This principle is most certain: The non-Christian cannot in any way be Pope. The reason for this is that he cannot be head of what he is not a member. Now, he who is not a Christian is not a member of the Church, and a manifest heretic is not a Christian, as is clearly taught by St. Cyprian, St. Athanasius, St. Augustine, St. Jerome, and others. Therefore, the manifest heretic cannot be Pope." -- St. Robert Bellarmine


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    Re: Explosive letter: Counterpoint
    « Reply #11 on: August 27, 2018, 12:01:47 AM »
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  • For a counter perspective, this is interesting.

    https://www.americamagazine.org/faith/2018/08/26/viganos-accusations-what-we-know-and-what-questions-they-raise

    Details such as the timing suggest releasing the letter could be curial infighting or Vatican politics. It's not like politicians don't regularly try to take advantage of and spin a current event for their own political motives.

    Some of the points in this commentary seem wrong. For example I think this criticism is very misplaced:
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    Archbishop Viganò has also not explained why he did not make his grave concerns about then-Cardinal McCarrick’s behavior known publicly sooner.

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    Re: Explosive letter: Counterpoint
    « Reply #12 on: August 27, 2018, 09:52:25 AM »
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  • For a counter perspective, this is interesting.

    https://www.americamagazine.org/faith/2018/08/26/viganos-accusations-what-we-know-and-what-questions-they-raise

    Details such as the timing suggest releasing the letter could be curial infighting or Vatican politics. It's not like politicians don't regularly try to take advantage of and spin a current event for their own political motives.

    Some of the points in this commentary seem wrong. For example I think this criticism is very misplaced:

    How many in the conciliar church, or in the world, would have believed Archbishop Vigano before McCarrick was recently and publicly exposed as a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ predator and pedophile?
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Explosive letter: Francis Covered McCarrick “To the Bitter End"
    « Reply #13 on: August 27, 2018, 10:18:27 AM »
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  • Cardinal Burke Backs Archbishop Vigano in Exposing Francis:

    https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/cdl.-burke-backs-abp.-vigano-statement

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    Re: state-sponsored deposition of Bergoglio?
    « Reply #14 on: August 27, 2018, 10:35:40 AM »
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  • I wonder of the States of the world will convene a council to depose Bergoglio (or declare him ipso facto deposed).

    That would be a good thing. But it seems that the homos' control the conciliar church, or at least they have a lot of power. I doubt that they will do anything.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29