No, its a black/white proposal which errs by omitting the gray (i.e., explicit or implicit baptism of desire). Once again, the same problem: Doctrinal tunnel vision;
I don't want to turn this into a BOD debate; i'd rather concentrate on the problems of the new mass, which are WAY more important. But, if you talk with any qualified and knowledgeable Feeneyite, they will admit that St Thomas and others believed in sanctification/justification for an explicit desire'er (i.e. a formal catechumen who's taking classes). Further, Trent says that JUSTIFICATION (i.e. sanctification) can be had in the same way (an explicit desire for baptism). No rational Feeneyite disagrees with this. ...The disagreement (or rather, theological question) is: Since the Church (and St Thomas et al are NOT the Church) has never taught what happens to a justified but unbaptized person if they die before baptism, can they gain heaven not having the indelible mark of the sacrament, or missing the sacramental wedding garment, can they obtain the beatific vision? Or, more likely, would they go to limbo, since they are in the state of grace like an unbaptized infant but not a member of the Church?
+ABL's reply: Just because something is poisoned, obviously it is not going to poison you if you go on the odd occasion, but to go regularly on Sunday like that, little by little the notions will be lost, the dogmas will diminish."
And I reply that this it utter "situational ethics" garbage logic. As much as I admire +ABL, I must call him out on his lack of a theological foundation. He's basically saying that the novus ordo is "ok sometimes, but not all the time." He's saying it's ok to put oneself into an occasion of sin to one's faith (which is WAY worse than an impure occasion of sin, since sins against Faith are worse than sins against purity). He's ignoring the fact that the novus ordo is illicit, therefore sinful, that it is PROBABLY invalid, therefore sinful and it's atmosphere is scandalous, irreverent and sacrilegious, which is also sinful. What theological principles are his comments founded upon other than "the mass is (assumingly) valid"? His is faulty, erroneous, misguided theology!
The Novus Ordo Missae isonly "intrinsically evil" in the scholastic/philosophical sense (i.e., missing something proper to its integrity, like the offertory), but (at least for those in necessity or trapped in ignorance) not in the moral sense.
Your moral philosophy is deeply flawed. Evil/sin is defined as "an offense against the law of God". The mass, being the highest and most perfect prayer, and being of DIVINE ORIGIN, means that God wants to be worshipped HIS WAY, since ONLY His way is perfect. If something is intrinsically evil (in any sense) then it is a sin. Ignorance does not erase sin; it does not erase the offense to God. It only mitigates the guilt. God is still offended and evil is still committed even if the person is 100% ignorant.
Example: A 3 yr old blasphemes God. Obviously, they don't know what they are doing and are not guilty, but the blasphemy is still an offense against God and the 3 yr old still committed a sin. Objectively, the act of blasphemy is ALWAYS wrong; it ALWAYS offends God; it is ALWAYS a sin. Subjectively, the guilt for the sin depends on the situation/person, etc.
In the same way, the novus ordo mass is objectively a sin, in that it is a corruption of a perfect prayer, a corruption of a Divine liturgy, a corruption of catholic liturgy. It is a sin each and every time it is said, whether valid or not. Subjectively, God will hold each "minister" and lay person accountable for their participation and acceptance of this false mass.
For +ABL, +W and the neo-sspx (and you and anyone else) to encourage ANYONE to attend it, is to encourage objective sin. You and +ABL and +W admit that it's philosophically intrinsically evil, yet you tell others to participate in such evil? What sense does this make? You are falsely elevating the attendance at a "catholic looking liturgy" as being more important than pleasing God. You are elevating the action of "being at a mass" as somehow fulfilling the 3rd commandment. You are modernistically humanizing God and humanizing His religion, by reducing the 3rd commandment to "putting in the time" instead of honoring God by upholding his religion and Faith, which may (contrary to human thinking) be upheld by avoiding a false mass, avoiding sacrilegious and blasphemous "services" and by setting an example to those who are "ignorant" that what they are attending is not a mass.
How are the "ignorant" novus ordo-ites ever to get the message that the new mass is philosophically evil, if people keep attending it, even "trads"?
Then you must also conclude the Dialogue Mass is "immoral," since it too was contrived to usher in the new religion, well before V2.
A liturgy is either moral or immoral based on what the missal says, no matter the intention of the author of the missal. A valid priest in the 1700s can make a perfect liturgy into an abomination in many ways. A valid priest in the 2000s could never make the novus ordo pleasing to God. The novus ordo is inherently flawed and sinful.
A dialogue mass could be wrong, it also could not be. It's more of a circuмstantial problem, than an inherent one. The new mass is inherently and ESSENTIALLY different from the True Mass. A dialogue mass, on paper, is not essentially different.
To be consistent, then, you must conclude none of the faithful may ever attend a dialogue Mass (i.e., because of its moral purpose).
If there was a dialogue mass that was said by a valid priest, but which was notoriously and consistently immoral because of its deviation from the liturgical rubrics and/or any other scandalous and sacrilegious reason, then no one should attend, under pain of sin, for they would be knowingly participating in an irreligious and irreverent blasphemy. If it's only happened occasionally and the priest has been reprimanded, that's a different story. The point is, the problem is not the liturgy, but the atmosphere/priest. This must be decided on a case-by-case basis; unlike the novus ordo.
He acknowledges therein that repeated attendance will have dire consequences for the faith, while also having the common sense to acknowledge attendance at a single Mass will not.
Name one moral scenario wherein we are allowed to do something "once" but not "multiple times". I can punch someone in the face once, just not 3x? I can cheat on my wife once, just not multiple times? I can lie in confession once, but more than that is bad? The logic makes no sense.
Either the novus ordo is catholic or it's not.
Either it's something we "recognize" fully, or we "resist" it fully. It can't be both. This is why sedes rightly criticize the "R&R" view of the sspx. If +ABL's view had been to "resists" each and every novus ordo, and to resist V2 fully (no ifs, ands or buts), then THAT is the true meaning of R&R. To recognize the authority of rome, but to resist when they have crossed the line into heretical philosophy - which permeates the novus ordo and why we can NEVER go, under any circuмstances.