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Offline SeanJohnson

Re: New Details Coming to Light on Fr. Morgon’s Departure from the SSPX
« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2017, 10:52:23 AM »
Quote from: JPaul on November 19, 2017, 10:25:12 AM
What does opposition to Econe/Menzingen mean? Nothing substantial I think, and those priests who leave the parent sect and then frequent the other factions are just wandering from one room in the SSPX house to another.  It is more to be hoped that more of them would indeed turn to being independent and itinerant as they woulkd likely be touching those souls who do not have workable access to the establishment chapels. As it is, most of the newly minted chapels are in urban areas and the countryside Catholic has to work much harder for his sacramental bread. It is too bad that loose associations are not a little looser and the factional shepherd's hook was not trying to snatch up every priest that leaves the mother house.
The Resistance began precisely as a contingency plan to carry on the SSPX apostolate if Menzingen capitulated.

Over time, others tried (and to some extent succeeded) in changing the "raison d'etre" of the Resistance.

+BW said we need to forget about recreating another SSPX, and in your post, you echo that thought, though probably for different reasons:

His Excellency no longer thinks doing so is possible, while I am guessing your reason is that you were never comfortable with the nature of the SSPX apostolate in the first place (as your post advocating independence as the norm -a concept foreign to the Church, and condemned by ABL- indicates).
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Offline JPaul

Re: New Details Coming to Light on Fr. Morgon’s Departure from the SSPX
« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2017, 11:38:56 AM »
I don't know Sean, there are discernable patterns and events which say that that is precisely what they are trying to do. A different set of clothes perhaps, but the same substance under it all.

I was indeed comfortable with it for a fairly long time but that was a time when I never looked beneath the surface to more fundamental issues. And the new incarnation is identical in almost all things and its orientation. As I said, the same house, different room.

Carrying on the same apostolate is essentially replacing the failed thing with as close an approximation can be made.

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Offline SeanJohnson

Re: New Details Coming to Light on Fr. Morgon’s Departure from the SSPX
« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2017, 11:54:46 AM »
Quote from: JPaul on November 19, 2017, 11:38:56 AM
I don't know Sean, there are discernable patterns and events which say that that is precisely what they are trying to do. A different set of clothes perhaps, but the same substance under it all.

I was indeed comfortable with it for a fairly long time but that was a time when I never looked beneath the surface to more fundamental issues. And the new incarnation is identical in almost all things and its orientation. As I said, the same house, different room.

Carrying on the same apostolate is essentially replacing the failed thing with as close an approximation can be made.

1) By "more fundamental issues," are you referring to issues regarding the "recognize and resist" position generally?

2) Yes, we definitely started in 2011 by trying to ensure the "failed thing" would carry on in a new incarnation (and some like me, or supporters of the SAJM, still do).  Our position is that it is not the "thing" (i.e., religious congregations, hierarchy, and authority per se) that failed, but the people running them that failed.

We believe there is simply no precedent for independence in a Church which is constituted hierarchically.

Even in Benson's "Lord of the World," amidst the final persecution, and a crisis which exceeds ours in magnitude, with the priesthood whittled down to a half dozen cardinals, priests, and Pope, there was still hierarchy.

Perhaps we are wrong, but that is what we believe.

Not trying to argue; just trying to understand your perspective.
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Offline Wessex

Re: New Details Coming to Light on Fr. Morgon’s Departure from the SSPX
« Reply #8 on: November 19, 2017, 02:22:21 PM »
Quote from: JPaul on November 19, 2017, 10:25:12 AM
What does opposition to Econe/Menzingen mean? Nothing substantial I think, and those priests who leave the parent sect and then frequent the other factions are just wandering from one room in the SSPX house to another.  It is more to be hoped that more of them would indeed turn to being independent and itinerant as they woulkd likely be touching those souls who do not have workable access to the establishment chapels. As it is, most of the newly minted chapels are in urban areas and the countryside Catholic has to work much harder for his sacramental bread. It is too bad that loose associations are not a little looser and the factional shepherd's hook was not trying to snatch up every priest that leaves the mother house.
Well, unhappy priests were disobedient which was at odds with that sense of a divine mission cultivated by ABL. This exercise in self-appointment was difficult to stomach for some and evidence was accruing that proved that the Society was far from being divine when in the hands of some of its various operatives. We can say human weakness visits every organisation however noble the cause but there comes a point when the means do not justify the ends. Each of us decides when that point has been reached it seems. And I suppose a bishop does have to have a minimum number of followers to prop him up to claim a viable vertical structure does exist which does not sit well with the current appeal of the horizontal management approach practised by the resistance. Or is this a way of covering up further fragmentation? 
    
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Offline Incredulous

Re: New Details Coming to Light on Fr. Morgon’s Departure from the SSPX
« Reply #9 on: November 19, 2017, 02:40:19 PM »


Don't you just love the way Menzingen handles their holy religious?


Either you (Father Morgan) submit an apology for (your) private letter, or, be dismissed from the SSPX!!!

Wessex is so right, the Society thinks and reacts like a multinational corporation.

Holy piety, love for truth and the Faith evaporated from the ranks of the SSPX leadership,
as soon as they covered +ABL's coffin with dirt.
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