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Offline Mr G

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Capuchins of Morgon: An Insider’s Report
« on: September 26, 2017, 06:40:48 PM »
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  • Taken from Sean Johnson's blog :http://sodalitium-pianum.com/capuchins-of-morgon-an-insiders-report/


    Fr. Francois Chazal was recently in Morgon, and gave this short response to some questions I had asked regarding the Capuchins’ current orientation:

    “What can I say?

    I got red carpet treatment, unlike three years ago, when I could not come inside…
    Their book is pretty good, and reflects our own position, and they are churning out great quantities to inform the faithful, who agree Bishop Fellay is a traitor, etc.

    They are collaborating with the Dominicans, and rescued the Knights of Our Lady from SSPX ban, and are chaplaining Civitas (also barred by the Society), and it goes on and on.

    They are not interested in making a “declaration,” they just carry on as before 2012, and if Bishop Fellay wants to throw them out, it is up to him… for if he does not, they infiltrate and spread their views, and if he does, they bolster us officially.

    Perhaps also they are weary of the sedevacantist tendencies of some resistance priests in France.

    Whatever.

    My take.

    FC+”


    Offline PG

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    Re: Capuchins of Morgon: An Insider’s Report
    « Reply #1 on: September 26, 2017, 09:21:25 PM »
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  • I am pleased to read of this.  They have the right idea.
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    Re: Capuchins of Morgon: An Insider’s Report
    « Reply #2 on: September 26, 2017, 10:35:06 PM »
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  • Such blessings as these can never be earned.

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    Re: Capuchins of Morgon: An Insider’s Report
    « Reply #3 on: September 27, 2017, 08:58:45 AM »
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  • All of this could be said of many indulter communities.

    Bishop Fellay is tolerating them because everyone knows they are with him. In the end it is the SSPX who is helped not us.

    The Capuchins have shaky foundations anyway. Their founder Pere Eugene had scruples about the consecrations of 1988. Imagine! A religious superior who would have know about it long in advance having scruples about. such an important event. This is their heritage.

    There seems to be some kind of uncritical idoltry of the capuchins (the same applies to avrille) simply because they are religious who live a spirit of poverty. Please everyone! Lets learn from the mistakes of the past and not repeat them!
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    Re: Capuchins of Morgon: An Insider’s Report
    « Reply #4 on: September 27, 2017, 10:21:07 AM »
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  • All of this could be said of many indulter communities.

    Bishop Fellay is tolerating them because everyone knows they are with him. In the end it is the SSPX who is helped not us.

    The Capuchins have shaky foundations anyway. Their founder Pere Eugene had scruples about the consecrations of 1988. Imagine! A religious superior who would have know about it long in advance having scruples about. such an important event. This is their heritage.

    There seems to be some kind of uncritical idoltry of the capuchins (the same applies to avrille) simply because they are religious who live a spirit of poverty. Please everyone! Lets learn from the mistakes of the past and not repeat them!
    Uncritical? Uncritical of what? Have you ever heard any sermons from the Avrillé Fathers? They most certainly condemn Vatican II and criticise +Felley, but not with excessive words. My experiance with them is that they are precise with what they wish to say and express it sufficiently without sounding bitter.
    Many people say "For the Honor and Glory of God!" but, what they should say is "For the Love, Glory and Honor of God". - Fr. Paul of Moll


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    Re: Capuchins of Morgon: An Insider’s Report
    « Reply #5 on: September 27, 2017, 12:08:00 PM »
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  • Q.E.D.
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    Re: Capuchins of Morgon: An Insider’s Report
    « Reply #6 on: September 27, 2017, 01:14:46 PM »
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  • They are not interested in making a “declaration,” they just carry on as before 2012, and if Bishop Fellay wants to throw them out, it is up to him… for if he does not, they infiltrate and spread their views, and if he does, they bolster us officially.


    That is a disturbing position.  Hiding without distinction inside a boat with those drilling a hole in the bottom is actively taking part in the sinking of the boat.  There are no survivors.  Who has "infiltrated and spread their views" to relax a whole religious congregation to be quiet while living in authoritative fear and silence to catholics on the outside warning of the boat literally sinking.

    Didn't Abp. Lefebvre say something to the effect "the inferior cannot convert the superior"?  I wish we can be more straight forward in direction than having to accept less is good.

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    Re: Capuchins of Morgon: An Insider’s Report
    « Reply #7 on: September 27, 2017, 02:56:18 PM »
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  • That is a disturbing position.  Hiding without distinction inside a boat with those drilling a hole in the bottom is actively taking part in the sinking of the boat.  There are no survivors.  Who has "infiltrated and spread their views" to relax a whole religious congregation to be quiet while living in authoritative fear and silence to catholics on the outside warning of the boat literally sinking.

    Didn't Abp. Lefebvre say something to the effect "the inferior cannot convert the superior"?  I wish we can be more straight forward in direction than having to accept less is good.

    Thank you, thank you, and thank you again.
    Eclipses neither prove nor disprove the flat earth.

    "As for whether or not I work for NASA, I'm sorry, but I fail to understand what that could possibly have to do with anything" Neil Obstat, 08-03-2017