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http://nonpossumus-vcr.blogspot.com/2017/07/card-muller-frena-el-acuerdo.html

The General House of the FSSPX has just communicated to all its members the contents of a letter from Cardinal Gerhard Müller who had, for the naive, the effect of a shower of cold or rather icy water.  Here are the main extracts, the most "tasty".

 "As you know, Pope Francis manifested several times his benevolence towards his Priestly Fraternity, in particular, by granting all the member priests the power to confess validly to the faithful and authorizing the local Ordinaries to grant the licenses for Celebration of the marriages of the parishioners who follow the pastoral activity in their Fraternity.  On the other hand, the discussion continues on the questions concerning the full restoration of the communion of his Fraternity with the Catholic Church.

 In this regard, with the approval of the Sovereign Pontiff, I considered it necessary to submit to the Ordinary Session of our Congregation, meeting on May 10, the text of the doctrinal Declaration that you transmitted during the meeting of June 13, 2016 [Secret text .  Note of NP] , as a necessary condition for the full restoration of communion.  Here are the unanimous decisions of all the Members of our Dicastery:

 1) It is necessary to demand from the members of the Priestly Fraternity Saint Pius X adherence to the new formula of the Professio fidei of 1988 (see annex).  Consequently, it is no longer enough to ask them to issue the Professio fidei of 1962. [The profession of faith of 1988 allows Rome to force those who formulate it, to abide by Vatican II and the later "magisterium."  "The errors of the Council and its reforms remain the official norm enshrined in the profession of faith of Cardinal Ratzinger" (Bishop Lefebvre, "Spiritual Itinerary", Prologue).  Note from NP]

 (2) The new text of the Doctrinal Declaration must contain a paragraph in which the signatories explicitly declare their acceptance of the teachings of the Second Vatican Council and those of the post-conciliar period , granting to such doctrinal statements the degree of adherence Is due.  [For Card.  Müller, the FSSPX should be required to accept Vatican II completely.  Note from NP]

 3) The members of the Priestly Fraternity Saint Pius X should recognize not only the validity but also the legitimacy of the Rite of the Holy Mass and the Sacraments, according to the liturgical books promulgated after the Second Vatican Council. " [This unacceptable requirement of Rome had already been fulfilled by Bishop Fellay in the 2012 Doctrinal Statement: "7.  We declare to recognize the validity of the Sacrifice of the Mass and the Sacraments celebrated with the intention of doing what the Church does according to the rites indicated in the typical editions of the Roman Missal and the Rituals of the Sacraments legitimately promulgated by the Popes Paul VI And John Paul II. "  Note from NP].

 And the dear cardinal concludes, in cauda venenum, that "during the Audiencia granted to the Cardinal Prefect, on May 20, 2017, the Sovereign Pontiff approved these decisions ."  [Act that should not be interpreted as definitive or irrevocable.  Note from NP]

 In his letter, Fr. Thouvenot recalls "very opportunely" the words of Fellay at the end of the meeting of the major superiors in Anzère on June 28, 2016:
 The Fraternity Saint Pius X, does not seek above all a canonical recognition to which he has the right to be a Catholic work.  The solution is not just legal.  She has a doctrinal position that is imperative to manifest.  (...) Divine Providence does not abandon its Church, whose leader is the Pope, vicar of Jesus Christ.  That is why an unquestionable sign of this restoration will be the clear will of the Sovereign Pontiff to give the means to reestablish the order of the priesthood, of the faith and the Tradition, sign that will also be the guarantor of the necessary unity of the family of the tradition".

 We are far from the "seal" that some had greatly celebrated, and we can not but thank Our Lady, in this centenary of the apparitions of Fatima, to have removed the deadly danger of a fools agreement, as in June 2012.

 Let us pray for our superiors who practice a dangerous "tango" -three steps forward and then two steps back- and we thank the Divine Providence for continuing to watch over the restoration work undertaken nearly 50 years ago by Bishop Lefebvre, who demonstrated the Same value as our seven deans and friendly communities faithful in their fight for the only truth.

 Finally, on this 1st of July, let me express my friendly appreciation for the heroic obedience of our brother Fr Patrick de La Rocque, who humbly accepted his transference-punishment to the Philippines and whom the Superior General of his beloved Fraternity refused to celebrate His 25 years of priesthood in Ecône by.
 Christian LASSALE
 
  CONCLUSION OF NP:
  THE "TANGO" OF WHICH THE ITEM SPEAKS IS ALONG.
  BEFORE THE CLOSED CHAPTER WAS CLOSED AND THE MÜLLER CHAPTER WAS OPENED.  THE MÜLLER CHAPTER IS CLOSED NOW AND THE LADY CHAPTER IS STARTED.  WHAT IS THE POSITION OF THE SUCCESSOR OF THE CARD.  MÜLLER REGARDING THE FSSPX?  IT IS NOT KNOWN YET.  PREVIOUSLY, IN THE PROCESS OF REGULARIZATION OF THE SSPX, TO THE CHAPTER BENEDICT FOLLOWED THE FRANCISCO CHAPTER.  WHILE THE AGREEMENT WILL BE KEPT IN THE SSPX, MANY MORE CHAPTERS SHALL BE CLOSED AND OPENED IN THE SAD HISTORY OF THE FRATERNITY LEADERS 'ATTEMPT TO ACHIEVE A TRAITOR AGREEMENT WITH ROME.
  ROME APOSTAST DOES NOT HAVE PRESS, AS THE SSPX, AS THE SUCCESSION OF THE AGREEMENT, WEAKS EVERY DAY MORE AS TO THE SACRED TO HAVE TO COMBAT FAITH AGAINST THE LIBERAL AND MODERNIST HERES THAT USE THE CHURCH'S HIERARCHY.

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Mr. "G" has the best news scoops! 

"Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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Seems Cardinal Muller has been given the 'bum's rush'- 



https://onepeterfive.com/beleaguered-cardinal-muller-to-exit-cdf-july-2nd/



Rumors of Cardinal Gerhard Müller’s impending departure as prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith are nothing new. But last week, a new story hit the radar, largely-unnoticed in the English-speaking world. The Argentinian newspaper Clarín ran a report saying that Pope Francis planned to take advantage of the looming July 2 deadline on Müller’s five-year mandate to send him on his way. Without Müller to stand in the way, Clarín reported, “the path of renewal of the last phase of the pontificate of Jorge Bergoglio, who in December will turn 81, would be open.”
Today, new reports confirming the Clarín story — without any additional detail — are appearing at Corrispondenza Romana & Rorate CaeliOnePeterFive has confirmed with our own sources close to the CDF that the reports are true: Cardinal Müller will be leaving his position as Prefect of the CDF on Sunday, July 2nd.
It is interesting that Rorate has chosen to frame Müller’s role at the post-Amoris Laetitia (AL) CDF as adversarial:
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Cardinal Müller is one of the cardinals who sought to interpret Amoris Laetitia along the lines of a hermeneutic of continuity with Church Tradition. This was enough to put him among the critics of the new course imposed by Pope Bergoglio.
It is true that Müller has chosen to view the post-synodal apostolic exhortation through rose-colored glasses. In January, in an interview with Italian television station TGCOM24, the German cardinal said that “Amoris Laetitia is very clear in its doctrine and [in it] we can interpret [sic] the whole doctrine of Jesus concerning marriage, the whole doctrine of the Church of 2000 years history.” This may not have been well-received by those who see Communion for the divorced and remarried, regardless of repentance, as a new and different path for the Church.
But during that same interview, he also openly criticized the dubia, saying explicitly that AL does not pose “any danger to the Faith”:
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Cardinal Müller even said that he was surprised that the Letter of the Four Cardinals to the pope – containing the dubia concerning Amoris Laetitia – had been published. “I do not like that,” he added. In Müller’s eyes, it is not at all appropriate “almost to force the pope to answer with ‘yes’ or ‘no’” with regard to the dubia, especially because “there is not any danger to the Faith” which would then fittingly call for such a fraternal correction. Thus, such a correction of the pope “seems to me far away,” according to the Prefect of the Congregation for Doctrine. He also considers it unfortunate that these matters are now being discussed “publicly.”
Müller has thus become an odd and unlikely ally of the current scheme of implementation of AL, and struck a profound blow against the Four Cardinals and their dubia. He has been treated incredibly poorly, considering the importance and centrality of his position as CDF prefect. He was not given a copy of the final text of Amoris Laetitia for doctrinal review, but instead a much less problematic version of the draft. Even so, Müller told a senior official that the CDF “had submitted many, many corrections, and not one of the corrections was accepted”. He was forced by the pope to fire three of his most trusted priests from the CDF early this year for no specific reason. He has been publicly embarrassed by Pope Francis and some of his trusted advisers, who have been allowed to treat him with contempt:
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Müller himself is often disrespected and passed over by Francis and his closest advisors. In an interview in January, 2014, Honduran Cardinal Oscar Rodriguez Maradiaga, a member of Francis’ inner circle, proffered naked scorn at Müller’s rejection of Holy Communion to the divorced and remarried, saying that the prefect “only thinks in black-and-white terms” and that “the world isn’t like that”. Archbishop Victor Fernández, another close friend of Francis who is believed to be the chief ghostwriter of Amoris Laetitiagave an interview in May of 2015 that was perceived as a direct attack on statements made by the Prefect of the CDF. In May of this year, Maike Hickson reported that “Carlos Osoro, the archbishop of Madrid, Spain, forbade Cardinal Gerhard Müller from presenting his new book on hope at the Catholic University San Dámaso, because this book is — Osoro alleges — ‘against the pope‘.” In December, Kathpress.at, an official publication of the Austrian Bishops’ conference under the leadership of papal ally Cardinal Christoph Schönborn, edited an interview with Müller in such a way as to leave some of his most important remarks about Amoris Laetitia on the cutting room floor.  And on multiple occasions, Francis has signaled his preference — or even deference — to Cardinal Walter Kasper on matters of theology, such that the openly heterdox prelate is known as “the pope’s theologian”.
In my January 11, 2017 commentary (linked above) I outlined the “climate of fear” at the Vatican, and the fear that many who work at the Vatican are being monitored, KGB-style. In a related report, I mentioned how “Vatican-issued cell phones and email addresses are treated with absolute suspicion, and reports of employees being quietly dismissed from congregations like the CDF for the crime of agreeing with the resistance to Amoris Laetitia have surfaced.” I have personally spoken with individuals who have experienced accidental playback of recorded phone calls when speaking with Vatican sources, or who have been told by sources that they should not discuss things over the phone. I also outlined in some detail the stories of abuse received by Catholic journalists, and the claims made by Vatican correspondent Edward Pentin concerning “political manipulation, deceit, and calumny happening within Vatican walls.” In May, a communique was made public from the Dean of the College of Cardinals to the cardinals living in Rome which called upon a “noble tradition” that prescribed that all cardinals living in the eternal city must “inform the Holy Father, by way of the Secretariat of State, the period of their absence from Rome and the address of their stay.” And even more recently, I’ve heard reports (as yet unsourced) of more draconian, police-state procedures being carried out — unannounced office raids and long interview/interrogation sessions of staff members.
Sources close to Cardinal Müller had always related to us that the cardinal’s general sentiment was that he could do more good from the inside than from the outside. He was also concerned about who might be tapped to replace him. (In the Clarínstory, it is suggested that Cardinal Sean O’Malley is a likely candidate; others believe that Cardinal Cristoph Schönborn may be chosen as an extension of his role as the pope’s handpicked interpreter of Amoris Laetitia.)
But one wonders what good Müller thought he could truly accomplish if he was being actively hindered and was himself afraid to take a firm, unequivocal stance. As I wrote back in January, the cardinal appeared to be manifesting symptoms of Stockholm Syndrome:
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It is clear that with divergent practices being implemented by various bishops around the world, the pope himself confirming that Holy Communion can be given to the divorced and remarried in certain circumstances, and the official interpreters of the exhortation trying to pass it off as “binding”, we are faced with nothing less than a “separation of the theory and practice of the faith.” If that is, indeed, a “christological heresy” — as Müller himself has claimed — it would therefore constitute a “danger to the faith” by any reasonable standard.
With the stakes thus clarified, certain conclusions are inescapable. If Cardinal Müller thinks he can stand athwart the darkness by staying where he is, trying to tamp down the fires of discontent stirred up by the dubia from within the Vatican apparatus by means of a more subtle, diplomatic approach, he is seriously mistaken. And if he is being told what to say, and willing to do so (recall similar reports that Msgr. Pinto from the Roman Rota was given a papal order to attack the Four Cardinals) then it is impossible for him to be trusted — and it suggests that he has come to identify, somehow, with those who have essentially held him captive in his increasingly ineffectual position.
At the time, I cited an article from John Allen at Crux, as regards Francis’ peculiar way of handling personnel issues:
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In a nutshell, Pope Francis’s approach to difficult personnel choices is to keep people in place, while entrusting the real responsibility to somebody else and thus rendering the original official, if not quite irrelevant, certainly less consequential.
But sitting on the fence doesn’t make a man an ally of either side. Mediocrity is never enough to save us. Müller resisted Francis just enough to make himself a problem, but resisted making a stand just enough to lose the trust of those who wanted to see in him a beacon of hope as the Church’s chief defender of doctrine.
By trying to be useful to both sides of this dispute, he became useless to both. And now he’s gone, and he never used the weight and authority of his position to say what he should have said — to stand with the Four Cardinals, and all the countless unnamed Catholics besides, and choose Christ, whatever the cost.
I spoke with Maike Hickson about this story this morning, and she offered a sobering perspective. “From now on,” she told me, “wherever he goes, he will have people ask him ‘But what did you do? You were there, why did you not say something?'”
“As Germans,” she said, referencing the sentiment that still lingers toward the German people for the perception that they did not sufficiently oppose the atrocities of the Nazis, “this is something we have dealt with for sixty years.”
Sources close to Cardinal Müller have indicated that his removal from his position — where he clearly felt a duty to try to work harmoniously with the pope — may in fact lead him to feel more free in his own assessment of the current crisis.
I hope this is the case. And I hope it’s not too late to matter.
 

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In my humble opinion this is simply just another calculated "step back" taken in order to keep any and all of the possible resisters in the society in a state of reasonable comfort. Rome has no deadline, they can drag this process out for as many years as they please, the only thing that matters is the final result, which when one wonders, are basically got. With this most recent installment of the diocesan-supervised marriages, I've just about given up all hope.

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Re: CARDINAL MÜLLER,PUT THE BRAKE TO A POSSIBLE Deal
« Reply #4 on: July 04, 2017, 07:43:26 AM »
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  • The Remnant has picked up the story, so here is a better transactions: http://www.remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/fetzen-fliegen/item/3266-cardinal-mueller-s-letter-to-bishop-fellay



    From www.medias-presse.info comes the following excerpt of a letter from Cardinal Müller to Bishop Bernard Fellay. According to www.medias-presse.info, Cardinal Müller's letter was communicated to all SSPX members by the SSPX General House.

    Excerpt from Cardinal Müller's letter:

    “As you know, Pope Francis has many a time manifested his benevolence towards your Priestly Society, granting, in particular, to all priest members the faculty of confessing the faithful validly and by authorizing local Ordinaries to grant licences for the celebration of the marriages of the faithful who follow the pastoral activity in your Society. Furthermore, discussions are continuing concerning questions relative to the full re-establishment of the communion of your Society with the Catholic Church.

    In relation to this, with the approbation of the Sovereign Pontiff, I judged it necessary to submit to the Ordinary Session of our Congregation (which met on May 10 last) the text of the doctrinal Declaration which was transmitted to you during the meeting of June 13 2016, as the necessary condition in view of the full re-establishment of communion. Here are the unanimous decisions of all the members of our Dicastery in this regard:

    1) It is necessary to require the adhesion of the members of the Priestly Society of Saint Pius X to the new formula of the Professio Fidei dating from 1988 (c.f. annexe). Consequently, it is not sufficient to ask them to express the Professio Fidei of 1962.

    2) The new text of the doctrinal Declaration must contain a paragraph in which the signatories declare in an explicit manner their acceptance of the teachings of the Second Vatican Council and those of the post-conciliar period, by granting to said doctrinal affirmations the degree of adhesion which is due to them.

    3) The members of the Priestly Society of Saint Pius X must recognize not only the validity, but also the legitimacy of the Rite of the Holy Mass and of the Sacraments, according to the liturgical books promulgated after the Second Vatican Council.”

    www.medias-presse.info adds that Cardinal Müller concluded the letter saying that “during the Audience granted to the Cardinal Prefect on May 20 2017, the Sovereign Pontiff approved these decisions”. The French website also adds that in his accompanying letter to SSPX priests, Father Christian Thouvenot, Secretary General of the SSPX, recalled the words of Bishop Fellay after the meeting of the major superiors in Anzère, Switzerland, on June 28 2016:
    “The Society of Saint Pius X does not seek primarily a canonical recognition, to which it has a right because it is Catholic. The solution is not simply juridical. It pertains to a doctrinal position which it is imperative to manifest [...] Divine Providence will not abandon Its Church whose head is the Pope, Vicar of Jesus Christ. That is why an incontestable sign of this restoration will reside in the signified will of the Sovereign Pontiff to grant the means for re-establishing the order of the Priesthood, the Faith and Tradition – a sign which will be, furthermore, the guarantor of the necessary unity of the family of Tradition”.

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    God throws another wrench in the works of the SSPX-Rome "deal". You'd think Fellay would see the light, but no, he'll continue. 

    "Hope in God, for I will still give praise to him : the salvation of my countenance, and my God." 
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    Re: CARDINAL MÜLLER, PUT THE BRAKE TO A POSSIBLE Agreement
    « Reply #6 on: July 05, 2017, 03:26:33 PM »
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  • Unverified report, but here it is: https://gloria.tv/article/7qBMYx9mRHxX1k1qpsqHzdd71

    During lunch, after the priestly ordinations in Ecône, Switzerland, on June 29 naive Bishop Bernard Fellay, the Superior General of the Priestly Society of Saint Pius X, expressed his disappointment about the conditions Rome suddenly set for a reconciliation.

    According to medias-presse.info, he spoke about a "heavy blow" adding, "It is like in the Game of the Goose. We had almost reached the goal, and then we fell back to square one. Now everything is on the ground, we have to start all over again."

     

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