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If you haven't already done so, take a look at the "SUMMER
NEWS" of the St. Thomas Aquinas Seminary (Winona), from
the current rector, Fr. Yves le Roux 9that is, until he makes a
slip-up that The Great One cannot forgive).  It's dated,
"August 5, 2013."



Note: this isn't all about +Fellay, so maybe it won't be "boring!"  HAHAHA



In this newsletter, Fr. le Roux basically asks for yet more money.
He has some great excuses for this "appeal" namely, the very
great cost of replacing all the windows at Winona (the windonas?),
especially under the current duress of building the new seminary
in Virginia, where St. Thomas will be moved in short order, and,
obviously (he doesn't mention this, though) they will abandon
the buildings where the emergency new windonas are being put
in at such great cost.  Maybe ggreg will appreciate the "August
wisdom" of this business decision.    HAHAHAHAHA

But in regards to trying to "convince" those who are already lost,
the incorrigible Resistance members, keep in mind that they did
send me this newsletter.  

In it, he writes,

About twenty young men are knocking at the Seminary door...
we recommend them to your prayers, as ... the devil tries to
dissuade them during the summer.

[One might wonder, what does he think the devil is doing to
accomplish this, specifically?  Read on...]

The war still rages, as the devil ... manages to unsettle souls,
... under the appearance of good and to arouse bitter
suspicions with unfounded rumours.

[Note:  what these 'rumours' are is unmentionable, of course,
for that would be helping to spread them!!  See how that works?]

We need, more than ever, humble and well-trained priests ...
the devil knows this, which is why he attacks a seminary...

[Note: a "humble" priest is a yes-man for HEBF.]

Please... support us with your material sacrifices ... we thank
you for your aid, which does not fail, in spite of the lies told
about our dear Society...


[The Menzingen-denizens have been accused of no longer mentioning
the crisis in the Church or this age of apostasy, or the coming to pass
of the fulfillment of Our Lady's prophesies at Quito, Lourdes, La
Salette, Fatima and Akita.  Therefore, to put a lid on this "Internet
rumour" (without of course mentioning that it would be such), Fr.
le Roux has the following]:  

So we dare, once again, to ask for your generosity.  The work of
the Seminary is a capital work in our paganized world.  To form the
souls of future priests ... who will one day incarnate Him in the
midst of this insane world ... [yes, it's an incomplete sentence].



--So there!  Don't you dare say they don't talk about our paganized
and/or insane world, or anything like it, such as the crisis in the SSPX.

In other words, "GET OVER IT!" Everything's under (damage) control.

EGBOK.  Everything's Gonna Be OKay.  

They don't need any deal to transform the Society.  All they
need is a running trend of aggiornamento with lemmings willing to
comply with their program of lies.  Oh -- while they accuse the
so-called Resistance of SAME.  

BTW: that's a typically Jєωιѕн tactic.  Maybe HEBF learned it from Maxie.




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Quote from: ggreg

I'm confused, why would the SSPX want to convince you?

Their usual MO is to wash their hands of priests and laity who don't tow the line and forget about them.  That is what I witnessed over 30 years and I never saw a departure from that policy.

They didn't chase and try to convince the 9, Pope Michael, the people who left after the 88 consecrations or the people who left for the FSSP or The Transalpine Redemptorist Sons of the Most Holy Redeemer.  ( I do hope their Scottish island is big enough to fit their nameboard)

So what motivation would the SSPX have to convince the resistance?  What makes you think they want you back?

You miss the point.

That's an understatement!!  

My point is that "they would have us believe" that "no deal, no sellout" and a lot of people seem to be spouting that line. But it makes absolutely no sense, and the more you think about it the more ridiculous it becomes.

See my examples, below...

That's like saying "because I haven't collapsed, I'm not tired." or, "I am still alive, so I'm perfectly nourished."

To put it into women's language, which ggreg might be able
to understand (!), try this:  

When a husband comes home late, and answers his wife's questions
about where he's been with this:  "Oh, I was just having a drink
with an old college girlfriend -- nothing's going on between us,
just 'catching up' on lost time" -- is his wife going to be suspicious?
Does she have any reason to ask more questions?  And when she
does so, and his replies are:  "You really should be more obedient;
It isn't becoming of you to harbor suspicions consequent to an
unheard-of choice to pay imprudent heed to unfounded rumours;  
It would be best for all concerned for you to trust me because I
have the grace of state, and prudence;  Think of the good it would
do for the children if you would refrain from arousing bitter suspicions
under the appearance of good," what is her appropriate response?  
Should she pray, do dishes and obey?   Because that's what the
Menzingen-denizens are asking of the Faithful.  

In what other sphere does that occur? What other example can be given of a thing that ONLY EXISTS AT ALL when a physical, surface manifestation is made?

Is a house only infested with termites when walls start collapsing? Is a woman only pregnant when she starts to "show"? Did the French Revolution start the day the visible chaos started? Did modernism in the Church begin with Vatican II?

In fact, theologians would agree with me. There is a precept that "No one falls into mortal sin out of nowhere." (or something to that effect). In other words, you don't have a man who regularly follows the Commandments, orders his life to avoid sin and the occasions of sin, practices mortification and prayer, frequents the sacraments, then BOOM! one day he just decides to commit adultery. Usually there is some kind of weakening of his spiritual edifice first.

If you haven't already done so, take a look at the "SUMMER
NEWS" of the St. Thomas Aquinas Seminary (Winona), from
the rector, Fr. Yves le Roux.  It's dated "August 5, 2013."



Note: this isn't all about +Fellay, so maybe it won't be "boring!"  HAHAHA



In this newsletter, Fr. le Roux basically asks for yet more money.
He has some great excuses for this "appeal" namely, the very
great cost of replacing all the windows at Winona (the windonas?),
especially under the current duress of building the new seminary
in Virginia, where St. Thomas will be moved in short order, and,
obviously (he doesn't mention this, though) they will abandon
the buildings where the emergency new windonas are being put
in at such great cost.  Maybe ggreg will appreciate the "August
wisdom" of this business decision.    HAHAHAHAHA

But in regards to trying to "convince" those who are already lost,
the incorrigible Resistance members, keep in mind that they did
send me this newsletter.  

In it, he writes,

About twenty young men are knocking at the Seminary door...
we recommend them to your prayers, as ... the devil tries to
dissuade them during the summer.

[One might wonder, what does he think the devil is doing to
accomplish this, specifically?  Read on...]

The war still rages, as the devil ... manages to unsettle souls,
... under the appearance of good and to arouse bitter
suspicions with unfounded rumours.

[Note:  what these 'rumours' are is unmentionable, of course,
for that would be helping to spread them!!  See how that works?]

We need, more than ever, humble and well-trained priests ...
the devil knows this, which is why he attacks a seminary...

[Note: a "humble" priest is a yes-man for HEBF.]

Please... support us with your material sacrifices ... we thank
you for your aid, which does not fail, in spite of the lies told
about our dear Society...


[The Menzingen-denizens have been accused of no longer mentioning
the crisis in the Church or this age of apostasy, or the coming to pass
of the fulfillment of Our Lady's prophesies at Quito, Lourdes, La
Salette, Fatima and Akita.  Therefore, to put a lid on this "Internet
rumour" (without of course mentioning that it would be such), Fr.
le Roux has the following]:  

So we dare, once again, to ask for your generosity.  The work of
the Seminary is a capital work in our paganized world.  To form the
souls of future priests ... who will one day incarnate Him in the
midst of this insane world ... [yes, it's an incomplete sentence].



--So there!  Don't you dare say they don't talk about our paganized
and/or insane world, or anything like it, such as the crisis in the SSPX.

In other words, "GET OVER IT!" Everything's under (damage) control.

EGBOK.  Everything's Gonna Be OKay.  

They don't need any deal to transform the Society.  All they
need is a running trend of aggiornamento with lemmings willing to
comply with their program of lies.  Oh -- while they accuse the
so-called Resistance of SAME.  

BTW: that's a typically Jєωιѕн tactic.  Maybe HEBF learned it from Maxie.

This summer letter is brought to you today by the symbol $.

Seminarians knocking on the door, prospects ringing,
but they dont know that someone opened the door and let sin in.

So the Devil is causing dissension, and the Devil is us Father LeRoux?

Oh tell me lies. Tell me sweet little lies. Oh no you cant disguise that you say are sweet little lies.

Please... support us with your material sacrifices

Because we are living in a material world, and you have sold the spiritual good.

When we were young and our hearts in holy books, you used to say pay, pray and obey. Oh yes you did (3x). But in this ever changing church we pray in, I think we"ll give it a try.....we wont let the Faith die!


Tune in next week for another neo-SSPX episode of "Have Rome, Will Follow"

 :wink:

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They don't need any deal to transform the Society.  All they
need is a running trend of aggiornamento with lemmings willing to
comply with their program of lies.  Oh -- while they accuse the
so-called Resistance of SAME.

Charades:  sounds like....  "We don't need no education" song ....

Another Brick in the Wall Lyrics - Part 2
(Waters) 3:56

We don't need no education Â
We dont need no thought control
No dark sarcasm in the classroom
Teachers leave them kids alone
Hey! Teachers! Leave them kids alone!
All in all it's just another brick in the wall.
All in all you're just another brick in the wall.................


We don't need no norm'lization
We don't need no deal with Rome
No dark sarcasm from the pulpit
Preacher - heave them folks a stone
Hey! Preacher! Heave them folks a stone!
All in all it's just another schtick that's been thrown.
All in all you're just another trick that they own.

We don't need no reg'larization
We don't need no thought control
The bishop's Menzingen-instructed
We'd drink it in and take it home
Hey!  Preacher!  Drink and take it home!
After all it's just another lie that you say.
After all you're just another game to be played.

Aggiornamento from the pastor
Aggiornamento right from Rome
Latest doctrine won't confuse us
We keep our catechism home
Hey!  Preacher!  Our catechism's home!
Truth be told you just make yourself look bad
Truth be told, don't think that we've been had



I dunno -- I don't like it.  

Well done gentlemen, Catholic Culture at its best. Keep up the good work.

I do not understand the resitance.  I see no proof of any of the accusations made against the SSPX.  Do you have concrete facts?

I do not understand the [resistance].  I see no proof of any of the accusations made against the SSPX.  Do you have concrete facts?

Dear Deryk,

Whatever your position is or may become on this or indeed any other issue, you need to approach it in some capacity other than a house plant expecting to be fed. Given that there are literally hundreds of threads under every header at this site alone, all waiting for your examination and many chock full of links to external sites and sources of information, you have absolutely no call expecting people to drop everything simply to bring you up to date on a matter and a dispute whose well-docuмented roots go deep and extend far back in time.

The only excuse you might have for demanding that others do the heavy lifting for you is that you are under thirteen years of age and unable to turn a computer on without assistance. Is that how things stand?

Welcome to the debate, of course, but please expect to be treated as if you were a grown-up so long as you fail to confine your comments to the Immature and Proud of It subsection (aka Teen Catholic Hangout).

Deryk,

I would also point you to this additional site which presents a well organized approach to the information.  The site doesn't seem to be as up to date as The Recusant, but still is loaded with historical docuмentation you seek.

http://www.truetrad.com/

I do not understand the resitance.  I see no proof of any of the accusations made against the SSPX.  Do you have concrete facts?

This post should not be seen separate from Deryk's other
post, for the two of them may be all any of us ever see of
Deryk, so far, the two-post wonder-er:

also[/i]]Can someone please help me?  Where is there any proof of the following statement?  "[... We do not accept, in any way, shape or form, the heretical promises of] Bishop Fellay to the Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith which he made last April 15th, in order to get a deal with Rome," Father said. "To sell one's soul to the devil, just to reach a practical agreement, is a grave, grave sin."  

"Sell one's soul to the devil"???

I don't understand.

Maybe Deryk has never heard of someone selling his soul to the
devil.  Maybe Deryk has never read any of the docuмents.  But
it looks as though Deryk is not very comfy with these topics, and
therefore shies away from them so that he can continue to say
that he's confused.  That, after all, is the way it is with many.

"...for wide is the gate, and broad is the way that leadeth to
destruction, and many there are who go in thereat" (Matt. vii. 13).

And again, in Luke xii. 22-30:

22  And he went through the cities and towns teaching, and making his journey to Jerusalem. 23  And a certain man said to him: Lord, are they few that are saved? But he said to them: 24  Strive to enter by the narrow gate; for many, I say to you, shall seek to enter, and shall not be able. 25  But when the master of the house shall be gone in, and shall shut the door, you shall begin to stand without, and knock at the door, saying: Lord, open to us. And he answering, shall say to you:  I know you not, whence you are. 26  Then you shall begin to say:  We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets. 27  And he shall say to you:  I know you not, whence you are:  depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity. 28  There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when you shall see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out. 29  And there shall come from the east and the west, and the north and the south;  and shall sit down in the kingdom of God. 30  And behold, they are last that shall be first;  and they are first that shall be last.



And behold, they are last, the Resistance, that shall be first;  
and they are first, the heretics of Menzingen, that shall be last.


Deryk has the same problem the Apostles had when they first
heard these words from Our Lord, and it scandalized them:  What?
that we shall see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob, and all the
prophets, in the kingdom of God, and we, ourselves thrust out?

What?  And there shall come from the east and the west, and the
north and the south - THE RESISTANCE?!?! - FOREIGNERS?!?! -
and shall sit down in the kingdom of God?!?!

"We don't understand," they said to Our Lord.  

And He taught them......