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Summary of meeting at ICC with Fr. Wegner, 72616
« on: July 26, 2016, 11:11:23 PM »
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  • The written summary below does not include the initial paragraph, as it might give away the identity of the writers, who are local ICC parishioners.  I don't feel, presently, to take responsibility for that.  In any case, it does not reveal any essential information. Omissions in the summary are indicated by periods, i.e. .......

    As it is, the summary outlines grave problems with the school, including priests and a lay administrator involved in its day to day operations.  Unfortunately, the summary's contents do not reveal that the matters it addresses were ever taken up by Fr. Wegner in direct questioning during the course of that meeting today.


    Clarification from Hollingsworth: The party who sent it to me made it clear that it contained the substance of a presentation this party was going to make in the meeting with Fr. Wegner.  I used the word "summary" ill advisedly, sorry.  I should have explained that it was simply a 'summary' in the sense that it contained the remarks which this party was going to make at the meeting.  I am fairly certain that those remarks were made, but have gotten no feedback from them thus far.

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    July 26, 2016 Meeting with Father Wegner
    PAX Christi,

    ...........

    It appears that in the last 3 – 4 years, there has been a gradual degradation of discipline, dress, and morals at Immaculate Conception Parish, especially in the Academy.  First, we noticed that the students stopped attending Daily Mass, ......  When we brought up the subject to Father Vassal, he told us that is was “theologically okay for the boys not to have to attend Daily Mass”.  .... We told him that the greatest source of Sanctifying Grace was obtained in the Mass and by receiving Holy Communion (as you know).  He then told us that it was okay since the Dominicans have the same policy (that is no justification).  He further told us that if the students were required to attend Mass and couldn’t go to Holy Communion because of sin, then they would be embarrassed!  (Confession is available during every student Mass).  Better that they be embarrassed than to lose their souls!!

    Now looking at the sɛҳuąƖ evils, which have transpired in these past years, it is clear that no one has been in charge of the ship, thus allowing these sɛҳuąƖ evils to grow in magnitude and severity.

    The blasphemous issues still remain – the hiring, the shoving under the rug of all complaints from teachers, students and parents, All the damage that was done by him in destroying purity is incalculable.

    Father Vassal is gone.  He was a disaster as a prior.  He was deceitful in his talks with parents; he lied to us in our own home, and allowed serious issues to go unchecked.  He told parents who complained that a little pornography in school was okay, since they would be exposed to much more in the world.  He also fired the teacher who on several occasions brought issues to his attention.  However nothing occurred to correct the situation until the whole thing was blown wide open.  Thanks be to God, it DID happen or there would never have been an opportunity to clean up this vile sɛҳuąƖ damage.

    Mr. Tardiff (ICA's lay primcipal) holds a great amount of responsibility for all this grief as he has reportedly berated any student who brought the subject of pornography to his attention.  How long did Mr. Tardiff know about the sɛҳuąƖ activities going on in the school and in the church?  Did he report it to Father Vassal?  Was it pooh-poohed ?  Mr. Tardiff needs to be removed from the Academy as he neglected his job of protecting the students, while pandering to the teacher.  He also has failed miserably to keep discipline within the school.  It appears that he has done nothing positive in the two years that he has been principal and he has allowed and abetted much evil to occur.  It is inconceivable to think that he did not know what was going on in his school.  He has been totally ineffective in running the school and should be released immediately!

    What is the plan for hiring a new principal (Father Deister cannot be the principal as he has no training for running a school – also he is needed more for priestly sacraments and teaching religion, as Father Carlisle, {the religion teacher} has been missing in action while attending to music in Winona.  Three weeks out of the month, he was gone and according to his students, he mostly discussed rugby in the one week he was here) and vice principal?  Also, it is obvious that if Father Deister becomes the principal and cannot spend time at the school, then the vice principal will essentially be the one in charge.  If that remains Mr. Tardiff, it will be a disaster!!

    Another issue is the fact that there is no communication set up for teachers and parents to discuss school issues as they occur.  There need to be monthly PTA meetings that hopefully will ward off any future scandals and provide opportunities for feedback and communication between parents and teachers.  Will there be real reform or does the Society intend to keep the status quo?

    What is being done to address these issues publicly, within the parish and then the public outside IC?  It is a fact that these vile sɛҳuąƖ issues are destroying children, parents, and their families.  It seems that everyone in Coeur d’Alene and Spokane Valley know about these scandals but only a few parishioners have any idea as to the depth of this situation.  Already, there is a breakdown between families who are gravely aware and those who are not aware, yet.  

    No parents should have to pull their children out of school but unless there is a clean sweep of the school administration, the poisoned atmosphere will continue and souls WILL be lost.  Already, it is our understanding that some 20 families have removed their children from Immaculate Conception Academy because of the permissiveness and vile sɛҳuąƖ behavior.

    What is going to be the final result?  Will there be real reform or will the Society allow the scandals to just continue and sweep them under the rug?  Is this a true reform or are Menzigen and Kansas City going to allow things to just continue in their disguised cover-up form?

    Further, there must be personal counseling provided, by the parish, for the victims of sɛҳuąƖ abuse in the school.  Don’t you agree?

    Lastly, there must be exorcisms performed in the school, in the church and in the priory as much evil has been allowed to enter.  Who will perform these and when?

    Thank you for listening to our grave concerns.  Our hearts ache for all these children and their families.  Please make this parish godly again.

    Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam

    (name withheld)



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    « Reply #1 on: July 27, 2016, 02:05:10 AM »
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  • I'm not sure I understand the title of this thread.  It says it is the Summary of meeting at ICC with Fr. Wegner, 72616.

    When I read the contents, it seems to read as an opinion of a situation rather than minutes or a summary of a meeting.  Can this be separated to show what Fr. Wegner distinctly said at the meeting?


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    « Reply #2 on: July 27, 2016, 09:09:27 AM »
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  • Ignatius:
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    When I read the contents, it seems to read as an opinion of a situation rather than minutes or a summary of a meeting.  Can this be separated to show what Fr. Wegner distinctly said at the meeting?


    I see I am to blame for the use of the word "summary."  The party who sent it to me made it clear that it contained the substance of a presentation this party was going to make in the meeting with Fr. Wegner.  I used the word "summary" ill advisedly, sorry.  I should have explained that it was simply a 'summary' in the sense that it contained the remarks which this party was going to make at the meeting.  I am fairly certain that those remarks were made, but have gotten no feedback from them thus far.

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    « Reply #3 on: July 27, 2016, 09:55:20 AM »
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  • How unfortunate.

    I know Tardiff. I am shocked to hear his level of culpability and irresponsibility in all this. If he is released, I hope they don't send him to our neck of the woods, as he would have a lot to answer for.

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    « Reply #4 on: July 27, 2016, 10:57:36 AM »
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  • mw2016:  How unfortunate.


    We don't know Mr. Tardiff, except, perhaps, to be able to recognize him from across the room.  And I'm not certain we could do that now, because it's been some years.

    We do know other members of the family, but not very well.  I want to assure all, however, that we bear Mr. Tardiff no grudge.  We have nothing personally against him. In fact, as I indicated earlier, we thought he was the vice-principal, not the principal of ICA.  Mr. Tardiff had left our active memory banks some time ago.


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    « Reply #5 on: July 27, 2016, 11:10:58 AM »
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  • Please do not misunderstand my comment: I certainly bear him no ill will at all.

    I had a very favorable impression of him when I knew him prior to his arrival at ICA.

    That's why I said I am shocked at his inactions there at ICA and his level of culpability. It just doesn't make a lot of sense.

    I don't understand what happened. I dont understand how he could have remained silent, or aggressively refused action when the abuses were brought to his attention, as reported in the meeting list.  

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    « Reply #6 on: July 27, 2016, 11:12:43 AM »
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  • The accuмulating evidence reinforces what we already knew: the SSPX must cease its "kill the messenger" modus operandi. The SSPX has no promise of infallibility and so should reflect upon criticism, not filing restraining orders against critics, not killing the messenger, not telling critical parents that their concerns will be addressed privately after the parent-teacher meetings, etc.

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    « Reply #7 on: July 27, 2016, 11:13:44 AM »
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  • Unbelievable how far the place has fallen.

    I'll say it again.

    Close the school down and board the place up.



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    « Reply #8 on: July 27, 2016, 11:17:33 AM »
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    He further told us that if the students were required to attend Mass and couldn’t go to Holy Communion because of sin, then they would be embarrassed!  


    Fr. Vassal must have been raised in the novus ordo.    Does he not know that prior to VII there was no shame in abstaining from Holy Communion?   Only someone imbued with novus ordo-ism would feel compelled to go up to receive or feel any shame at abstaining.

    As for the Tardiffs, they, along with most of the hangers-on at ICC, have been there from almost the inception of the chapel.

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    « Reply #9 on: July 27, 2016, 12:13:14 PM »
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     Does he not know that prior to VII there was no shame in abstaining from Holy Communion?   Only someone imbued with novus ordo-ism would feel compelled to go up to receive or feel any shame at abstaining.


    Pre VatII there were many reasons for abstaining from receiving, the main one being, not having made a proper preparation.  Receiving Holy Communion was a very serious privilege.  People knew the consequences of receiving unworthily.
    "Let God arise, and let His enemies be scattered: and them that hate Him flee from before His Holy Face"  Psalm 67:2[/b]


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    « Reply #10 on: July 27, 2016, 12:21:17 PM »
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     Does he not know that prior to VII there was no shame in abstaining from Holy Communion?   Only someone imbued with novus ordo-ism would feel compelled to go up to receive or feel any shame at abstaining.


    Pre VatII there were many reasons for abstaining from receiving, the main one being, not having made a proper preparation.  Receiving Holy Communion was a very serious privilege.  People knew the consequences of receiving unworthily.


    We took sin very seriously back then.  Even venial sin.  That's why the lines were so long Saturday evening for confession so we could be assured of being able to receive the next morning.



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    « Reply #11 on: July 27, 2016, 01:13:10 PM »
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  • Quote from: Alexandria

    As for the Tardiffs, they, along with most of the hangers-on at ICC, have been there from almost the inception of the chapel.


    No, that is not true, you are quite incorrect.

    The Tardiff's came to ICC from Virginia in 2014 and they had been in the D.C. area for many years prior to that.

    You can read his resume on LinkedIn if you do not believe my personal testimony.

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    « Reply #12 on: July 27, 2016, 01:17:43 PM »
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  • MW2016,  While he moved to PF from Virginia in 2014, he and his family originate in PF.  

    In point of fact, he and many of his siblings are graduates of ICC as well as SD
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    « Reply #13 on: July 27, 2016, 01:46:51 PM »
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  • Quote from: mw2016
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    As for the Tardiffs, they, along with most of the hangers-on at ICC, have been there from almost the inception of the chapel.


    No, that is not true, you are quite incorrect.

    The Tardiff's came to ICC from Virginia in 2014 and they had been in the D.C. area for many years prior to that.

    You can read his resume on LinkedIn if you do not believe my personal testimony.


    You are wrong.   I have in my possession a list of all parishioners from the early nineties.  The name "Tardiff" is on that list.  


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    « Reply #14 on: July 27, 2016, 02:10:01 PM »
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  • Alexandria, 3 things:

    1. I did not mean to imply that they had been at ICC since its inception.  In point of fact, very few current parishioners have been there for all 40 years of it's existence.

    2. Not all parishioners participate in the annual census and so it is entirely possible that they were there in the early nineties, but not on the list you have.

    3. I know for a fact that they have been there for over 20 years.
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