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Offline Skunkwurxsspx

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  • I just learned that the Archdiocese of Los Angeles, after over a year of silence, finally replied to the petition of Una Voce Los Angeles, requesting a parish out of which the FSSP could operate. The folks at UVLA were reportedly told that they would not be given a parish "this year," and that it was unclear just when that might happen given that there were no Churches "available."

    Folks, if the doctrinally compromised FSSP gets treated like this, what favors might the Neo-SSPX realistically expect to be greeted with by the rainbow shepherds of "luv" and "tolerance"?

    A "desireable condition"? . . . Seriously???

    But of course there are no Churches available here in the Archdiocese! They're probably all being rigged to be sold to pay off you know what!  

     


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    « Reply #1 on: April 29, 2013, 01:03:32 PM »
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  • Related to this topic is the question:
    "Who do the American Bishops report to on a functional level ?

    One very possible answer to the question, is that each American bishop has a rabbi handler.  In other words, the bishop reports into his local ѕуηαgσgυє for guidance and instructions.  Sound plausible?

    In N. CA, there's a diocesean bishop who has been promoting female ordinations.

    In 2004, he came out, in front page news, claiming "The Passion of Christ" movie was anti-semitic and that everyone knew the Gospels were only "theological meditations".   He has also supported ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ causes.

    I submit that this Bishop is not a simple nut-case, but rather he is being managed by another person and that character is ʝʊdɛօ-masonic.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


    Offline Telesphorus

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    « Reply #2 on: April 29, 2013, 01:57:44 PM »
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  • In the Cincinnati and Covington Dioceses a certain Freemason and Rosicrucian named Joseph Wicker was in charge of screening applicants to the seminary.

    Seminarians who were against the ordination or women, the marriage of priests, were typically rejected, and then blackballed from entering other seminaries.

    Essentially the same tactic is used everywhere when Freemasons are involved in running an organization.  Those who resist their agenda are smeared with various accusations, with claims of mental illness and then ruthlessly ostracized.  When we see these tactics being used in the SSPX we should recognize the signs of the source.

    I used to go to confession and mass at a local NO Dominican priory that housed first year seminarians as a teenager.  When I was walking to my car one day I noticed a Rosicrucian pamphlet on the ground on my path.

    Pretty weird!  I wonder if it was from Joseph Wicker, coming to check up on the prospective priests.

    The neo-SSPX is going to be forming liberal, anti-Catholic priests from now on.

    Since +Fellay has been in league with the dirty Zionist.

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    « Reply #3 on: April 29, 2013, 03:35:11 PM »
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  • If the diocese takes over a cerain SSPX chapel, the Society will retain the chapel itself as is because it cannot hold more than 250 or so at a time.  It will leave the current parking lot alone as it is already insufficient, forcing people to park in the adjacent field, either dried out and dusty, muddy and rutted, or usable only by 4-wheel drive vehicles in the snow.  During a winter with heavy snowfall, the field  is unusable.  One can park along the highway which is extremely dangerous for getting in and out of vehicles.  These "concessions" will keep the chapel at its current size , approximately the same as at the time of its founding.  There are many who WANT no growth, lest others take the reigns of control.  If a diocesan take-over accomplishes this, so be it.  The fledgling school will remain that--very small, or it will be forced by financial straits to close.  The diocese will not finance the expansion of the chapel, parking lot or the building of a proper school building.  More than likely, it will take possession of the properties acquired several years ago to pay off debts from the scandals.  

    It will do all in its power to see the chapel gentrify.  It is already extremely difficult for young families to establish themselves in the area.  At present, there are more funerals than weddings, and baptisms equal funerals.  Once the chapel is sufficiently thinned out, the diocese will say, "We're sorry, but there is no longer enough demand for the SSPX.  Those who still want Mass in Latin can always come to our Extraordinary Rite Masses at Sts. X, Y, and Z.". The final blow will be  the demolition of the chapel and rectory for use  as overflow parking and sports fields for the modernist  n.o. monstrousity across the street.  This is what I see happening if a "deal" is made with Rome.  

    The only way around this under a "deal" is for the SSPX to compromise doctrinally and in practice.  The chapel will be left alone if  she begins incorporating some of the novelties of Vat. II --updated hymns, dialogue-mass, Latin  mass with some prayers in  English, loosening of. moral standards, less emphasis on Mary, the 1983 Catechism...But then why should people make sacrifices to attend the SSPX if there is no essential difference with that offered by the Extraordinary Rite?  The diocese may as well make a parking lot and athletic field, or sell  off the. property for commercial use.  I can  walk to  a 'motu' mass.  But  I would  not, because it is the Faith to which I am  attached,  not just a  well-performed Tridentine Mass.  I can down-load one of these on YouTube.

     IMO, for what it's worth, the SSPX leadership needs to  cease flirting with  unconverted Rome, rescind the disastrous Doctrinal Preamble, make ammends to unjustly expelled priests, including Bishop Williamson, and reinstate parishioners who, in a few  places, have been   denied the Sacraments based not upon actual sins, but upon family, social, or business relationships with the "wrong" people..  Laity who have likewise scandalized one another or detracted, and slandered priests and Superiors need to clean house in the Tribunal of Confession and make reparation where; necessary.
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    But if the "deal" goes through and the diocese take charge, it will be a case of God's MERCIFUL  judgment, just as when the people clambored for a king so as to be like all the other nations--so God gave them Saul.  Eventually, He gave them David, but not before disaster on the battlefield.
    Mary, Refuge of Sinners, pray for us!
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    « Reply #4 on: April 29, 2013, 03:47:11 PM »
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  • Quote from: Incredulous
    One very possible answer to the question, is that each American bishop has a rabbi handler.


    If every Bishop has a Jєωιѕн handler, I wonder if Bishop Fellay has a handler.
    R.I.P.
    Please pray for the repose of my soul.


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    « Reply #5 on: April 29, 2013, 03:52:47 PM »
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  • Frances,

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    IMO, for what it's worth, the SSPX leadership needs to cease flirting with unconverted Rome, rescind the disastrous Doctrinal Preamble, make ammends to unjustly expelled priests, including Bishop Williamson,


    Fr Steiner did state clearly the expulsion of Bishop Williamson facilitates the deal. Also, Maximilian Krah, a figure of great influence in the SSPX has stated that both he and Bishop Fellay, his business partner do not want certain people going to the SSPX.


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    « Reply #6 on: April 29, 2013, 04:08:29 PM »
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  • People should remember what Bishop Williamson said and did when he was in Korea. He made a certain gesture with his hands and placed them on his forehead. The devil will do everything to take the chapels.

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    « Reply #7 on: April 29, 2013, 04:20:18 PM »
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  • They don't want anyone who agrees with the things the Archbishop said.


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    « Reply #8 on: April 29, 2013, 04:53:20 PM »
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  • When sspx is taken over by N.O. they become their property and N.O. is in restructure as you know.  Right now, at least 25% of N.O. are to close churches, sell them and priest will take care of more than one parish, for parishes will merge.  Under the restructure we are to expect priest to resign,  the acceptance of married priest (they do ) and women priest are also possible.  

    Now, it also means restructure of seminaries.  My thoughts are, N.O. to close all seminaries and have the one Taj Mahl in VA.  

    Seminaries are finacially supported with parishioners money then that money is matched for every $1 the feds give $3.  And food, clothing, BOOKS, medical, dental are paid in that fashion.

    Note Catholic Extension and Seminary Endowment Challenge and maybe other programs to pay into seminarians.  How very sad!!

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    « Reply #9 on: April 29, 2013, 07:34:47 PM »
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  • Quote from: John Grace


     Fr Steiner did state clearly the expulsion of Bishop Williamson facilitates the deal. Also, Maximilian Krah, a figure of great influence in the SSPX has stated that both he and Bishop Fellay, his business partner do not want certain people going to the SSPX.

    I harbor no illusions that what I think SHOULD happen, will!  The situation is too far gone.  The corruption at the top is too deeply entrenched.  It looks like terminal brain cancer to me.
    Sorry if I seem to offer false hope.  What OUGHT to be and what is contradict one another in this world.
     St. Francis Xavier threw a Crucifix into the sea, at once calming the waves.  Upon reaching the shore, the Crucifix was returned to him by a crab with a curious cross pattern on its shell.  

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    « Reply #10 on: April 30, 2013, 01:32:10 AM »
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  • Quote from: Skunkwurxsspx (Mon, Apr 29 2013, 12:30 pm)
    I just learned that the Archdiocese of Los Angeles, after over a year of silence, finally replied to the petition of Una Voce Los Angeles, requesting a parish out of which the FSSP could operate. The folks at UVLA were reportedly told that they would not be given a parish "this year," and [...] that there were no Churches "available." [....]  They're probably all being rigged to be sold to pay off you know what!

    There're also the excuses, sent from Hades, with compliments, to diocesan officials in California, and applied especially to many traditionally designed and sweat-equity-built churches: That costs of repairing (alleged) earthquake damage, or seismic retrofitting to avoid major repairs in the future, are (allegedly) just too high to continue to operate those older churches.

    I have no doubt that structural-engineering consultants contracted by Novus Ordo dioceses are made to understand the conclusions that are expected (wink, wink, nudge, nudge) to result from their assessments.  Altho' I seem to recall reading that replacement, a decade or so ago, of the 19th-century cathedral in Oakland, which survived the 1906 San Andreas quake, was unusually brazen.


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    « Reply #11 on: May 09, 2013, 06:52:38 PM »
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  • To add to this post:  I just received from "Catholic Extension" a letter from Fr Jack Wall.  The letter is a form letter and it is begging for donations.

    The letter states with pride: "with the grace of God and help of our friends, we step in and invest in these faith communities, so every Catholic can experience the fullness of Church lives....MOre than 1,000 grants filled last year alone!"

    It goes on to say:  "We fund church construction projects...we fund the education of seminarians, and build the next generation of ordained leadership in the Church..."

    So, I just thought that I would give this to you for your information.  

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    « Reply #12 on: May 09, 2013, 07:56:40 PM »
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  • Quote from: songbird
    To add to this post:  I just received from "Catholic Extension" a letter from Fr Jack Wall.  The letter is a form letter and it is begging for donations.

    The letter states with pride: "with the grace of God and help of our friends, we step in and invest in these faith communities, so every Catholic can experience the fullness of Church lives....MOre than 1,000 grants filled last year alone!"

    It goes on to say:  "We fund church construction projects...we fund the education of seminarians, and build the next generation of ordained leadership in the Church..."

    So, I just thought that I would give this to you for your information.  


    Red flag!

    Those words, "faith communities", is the ecuмenical phrase of Vatican II that includes "other religions".

    The only "experience of fullness" they get, is the conciliar church; not the Catholic Church!

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    « Reply #13 on: May 09, 2013, 08:50:51 PM »
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  • I brought this up, for I thought that just maybe that seminary in VA just might be funded by the Holy See/catholic extension.