Author Topic: STILL HANKERING FOR A DEAL (Read 2071 times)

Francisco · « **on:** February 27, 2013, 10:51:25 PM »

An SSPX priest who is well known, and who has held senior positions both in various districts and at Menzingen over the years, chants this mantra:

The older Ratzinger has corrected the younger one

A Personal Prelature is most desirable for the Society

Close links should be cultivated between SSPX priests and local bishops.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #1 on:** February 27, 2013, 10:53:52 PM »

Quote from: Francisco

An SSPX priest who is well known, and who has held senior positions both in various districts and at Menzingen over the years, chants this mantra:

The older Ratzinger has corrected the younger one

A Personal Prelature is most desirable for the Society

Close links should be cultivated between SSPX priests and local bishops.

There must be a lot of money in it. I think they believe they can take over Ecclesia Dei.

Francisco · « **Reply #2 on:** February 27, 2013, 11:37:02 PM »

Quote from: Telesphorus

Quote from: Francisco
An SSPX priest who is well known, and who has held senior positions both in various districts and at Menzingen over the years, chants this mantra:

The older Ratzinger has corrected the younger one

A Personal Prelature is most desirable for the Society

Close links should be cultivated between SSPX priests and local bishops.

There must be a lot of money in it. I think they believe they can take over Ecclesia Dei.

Perhaps. And they probably think that there would be greater potential for their genius to be appreciated. This disgusting mantra was last chanted about 48 hours ago.

TKGS · « **Reply #3 on:** February 28, 2013, 06:46:50 AM »

Quote from: Francisco

An SSPX priest who is well known, and who has held senior positions both in various districts and at Menzingen over the years, chants this mantra:

The older Ratzinger has corrected the younger one

A Personal Prelature is most desirable for the Society

Close links should be cultivated between SSPX priests and local bishops.

Perhaps this good priest might be willing to point out one--just one--of the numerous manifest heresies that the "younger Ratzinger" promoted during his long and infamous career that the "older Ratzinger" has corrected.

I can't think of a single one.

Wessex · « **Reply #4 on:** February 28, 2013, 07:37:26 AM »

Either SSPX priests live in a fantasy world or they are too rooted to the 'SSPX is always right' doctrine that they must absorb in their training. Am sure the original SSPX priests were cut from a different cloth.

bowler · « **Reply #5 on:** February 28, 2013, 10:11:20 AM »

Quote from: Wessex

Either SSPX priests live in a fantasy world or they are too rooted to the 'SSPX is always right' doctrine that they must absorb in their training. Am sure the original SSPX priests were cut from a different cloth.

Exactly. From my personal experience, they can't even build up the chapels that are handed to them by the parishioners. How can they think that they can "save the Church"?

This reminds me of parents who think they are doing their Catholic duty by spending all of their time "savings" other sinners, but yet their family has lost the faith from lack of attention.

Matto · « **Reply #6 on:** February 28, 2013, 12:10:34 PM »

I cannot understand ow anyone in the SSPX could want a deal with an unconverted Rome. If that ever happened the Society would be neutered within a year and anyone even remotely critical of Rome would have to be disciplined and then expelled. What would stop them from changing the superiors when they get too traditional like how they changed the head of the FSSP until they have superiors even worse than Fellay and his gang who are even willing to celebrate the Novus Ordo to promote "unity" and other such nonsense. How can they expect that they will be allowed to criticize Vatican II, the super council and the only council these people care about without being silenced no matter what the paper they signed a deal on says. Even if the deal says they can criticize Vatican II, within a year that will be forgotten and the Society will be forced to toe the line and say that there are no novelties in Vatican II and that it was inspired by the Holy Ghost and is infallible. Do they even care about doctrine anymore? Do they even care about the faith anymore?

s2srea · « **Reply #7 on:** February 28, 2013, 04:16:57 PM »

Quote from: Wessex

Either SSPX priests live in a fantasy world or they are too rooted to the 'SSPX is always right' doctrine that they must absorb in their training. Am sure the original SSPX priests were cut from a different cloth.

I think the bolded is spot on. I was in another part of our state on business recently, and made a quick visit to the Blessed Sacrament in the chapel of the local priory/ retreat center. I remembered that a priest I knew was now assigned there and decided to stop in to say hi.

We were catching up, and then he brought up +Williamson and Pfeiffer as a topic of conversation, which I thought was interesting. He began explaining that Bp. Fellay gave a conference recently explaining the similarities between Marx, as in Karl Marx, and Fr. Pfeiffer. That there were 12 similarities pointed out between them; I remember him mentioning the attraction to conflict, which he said Both Fr. Pfeiffer and +Williamson were "attracted to, especially Bishop Williamson." Anyways, I told him I was following the situation closely, but wasn't in the mood for conflict. With some people, the SSPX can do no wrong, see no wrong, hear no wrong. Its the cultish mentality thats so hard to get away from. To them, SSPX is the Church.

AJNC · « **Reply #8 on:** February 28, 2013, 09:49:06 PM »

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Quote from: Wessex
Either SSPX priests live in a fantasy world or they are too rooted to the 'SSPX is always right' doctrine that they must absorb in their training. Am sure the original SSPX priests were cut from a different cloth.

Exactly. From my personal experience, they can't even build up the chapels that are handed to them by the parishioners. How can they think that they can "save the Church"?
This reminds me of parents who think they are doing their Catholic duty by spending all of their time "savings" other sinners, but yet their family has lost the faith from lack of attention.

But many of them don't hesitate to blame the parishoners for their failings!.

bernadette · « **Reply #9 on:** February 28, 2013, 10:07:54 PM »

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He began explaining that Bp. Fellay gave a conference recently explaining the similarities between Marx, as in Karl Marx, and Fr. Pfeiffer. That there were 12 similarities pointed out between them; I remember him mentioning the attraction to conflict, which he said Both Fr. Pfeiffer and +Williamson were "attracted to, especially Bishop Williamson." Anyways, I told him I was following the situation closely, but wasn't in the mood for conflict. With some people, the SSPX can do no wrong, see no wrong, hear no wrong. Its the cultish mentality thats so hard to get away from. To them, SSPX is the Church.

What's the matter with Fellay? Has he lost his marbles? The only one of the four bishops who has remained Catholic is Bishop Williamson. Fellay is so avid to wear Cardinal Red that he can't see straight any longer, and the other two have acted so cowardly they've become afterthoughts.

You've hit the truth...with some people the SSPX can do no wrong...they believe the SSPX is the Church.

Wessex · « **Reply #10 on:** March 01, 2013, 06:37:40 AM »

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He began explaining that Bp. Fellay gave a conference recently explaining the similarities between Marx, as in Karl Marx, and Fr. Pfeiffer. That there were 12 similarities pointed out between them; I remember him mentioning the attraction to conflict, which he said Both Fr. Pfeiffer and +Williamson were "attracted to, especially Bishop Williamson." Anyways, I told him I was following the situation closely, but wasn't in the mood for conflict. With some people, the SSPX can do no wrong, see no wrong, hear no wrong. Its the cultish mentality thats so hard to get away from. To them, SSPX is the Church.

What's the matter with Fellay? Has he lost his marbles? The only one of the four bishops who has remained Catholic is Bishop Williamson. Fellay is so avid to wear Cardinal Red that he can't see straight any longer, and the other two have acted so cowardly they've become afterthoughts.

You've hit the truth...with some people the SSPX can do no wrong...they believe the SSPX is the Church.

To be honest I do not think Bp. F likes the trads in his care. He certainly does not like the other bishops. He is heavy handed with critical members. He wants those with the 'wrong' kind of politics to leave. He appoints and is surrounded by yes-men and is relying on outside agencies.

I can therefore understand his enthusiasm for a merger with conciliar conservatives that speak his language of reform and accommodation. Notice how the Rorate Caeli crowd temporaily moved out of their Ecclesia Dei niche when they thought Bp. F was coming their way. Of course he would be nothing without the bulk of the Society in tow.

s2srea · « **Reply #11 on:** March 01, 2013, 07:35:24 AM »

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He began explaining that Bp. Fellay gave a conference recently explaining the similarities between Marx, as in Karl Marx, and Fr. Pfeiffer. That there were 12 similarities pointed out between them; I remember him mentioning the attraction to conflict, which he said Both Fr. Pfeiffer and +Williamson were "attracted to, especially Bishop Williamson." Anyways, I told him I was following the situation closely, but wasn't in the mood for conflict. With some people, the SSPX can do no wrong, see no wrong, hear no wrong. Its the cultish mentality thats so hard to get away from. To them, SSPX is the Church.

What's the matter with Fellay? Has he lost his marbles? The only one of the four bishops who has remained Catholic is Bishop Williamson. Fellay is so avid to wear Cardinal Red that he can't see straight any longer, and the other two have acted so cowardly they've become afterthoughts.

You've hit the truth...with some people the SSPX can do no wrong...they believe the SSPX is the Church.

To be honest I do not think Bp. F likes the trads in his care. He certainly does not like the other bishops. He is heavy handed with critical members. He wants those with the 'wrong' kind of politics to leave. He appoints and is surrounded by yes-men and is relying on outside agencies.

I just keep wondering- where the heck did it all go wrong? Surely the man had good intentions to begin with- otherwise why would Archbishop Lefebvre consecrate him in the first place? Perhaps it is how Bp. Williamson said- he never understood the mind of the Archbishop to begin with.

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I can therefore understand his enthusiasm for a merger with conciliar conservatives that speak his language of reform and accommodation. Notice how the Rorate Caeli crowd temporarily moved out of their Ecclesia Dei niche when they thought Bp. F was coming their way. Of course he would be nothing without the bulk of the Society in tow.

Too bad the parishoners of the Society haven't yet stood up more fiercely for the Truth- his transition to an unconverted Rome would be much easier and less disastrous-I'm sure we could have gladly bought him a one way ticket. But NewRome, smartly, doesn't want just Fellay and a few priests and parishoners does she. :wink:

Francisco · « **Reply #12 on:** March 01, 2013, 09:51:13 PM »

There is already a push now in the Conciliar Church for married and women priests, and for even more active roles for the laity. The Society has always been aware of this, but these thing have not deterred BpF from pushing for a deal. We will be told that such radical changes are only disciplinary and not doctrinal.

Machabees · « **Reply #13 on:** March 01, 2013, 10:51:01 PM »

Quote from: Francisco

There is already a push now in the Conciliar Church for married and women priests, and for even more active roles for the laity. The Society has always been aware of this, but these thing have not deterred BpF from pushing for a deal. We will be told that such radical changes are only disciplinary and not doctrinal.

Yes, unfortunately so true.

That is what happened in the slippery-slope with the other 9-Traditional groups.

bernadette · « **Reply #14 on:** March 02, 2013, 10:16:24 AM »

Quote from: Wessex

Quote from: bernadette
Quote from: s2srea
He began explaining that Bp. Fellay gave a conference recently explaining the similarities between Marx, as in Karl Marx, and Fr. Pfeiffer. That there were 12 similarities pointed out between them; I remember him mentioning the attraction to conflict, which he said Both Fr. Pfeiffer and +Williamson were "attracted to, especially Bishop Williamson." Anyways, I told him I was following the situation closely, but wasn't in the mood for conflict. With some people, the SSPX can do no wrong, see no wrong, hear no wrong. Its the cultish mentality thats so hard to get away from. To them, SSPX is the Church.

What's the matter with Fellay? Has he lost his marbles? The only one of the four bishops who has remained Catholic is Bishop Williamson. Fellay is so avid to wear Cardinal Red that he can't see straight any longer, and the other two have acted so cowardly they've become afterthoughts.

You've hit the truth...with some people the SSPX can do no wrong...they believe the SSPX is the Church.

To be honest I do not think Bp. F likes the trads in his care. He certainly does not like the other bishops. He is heavy handed with critical members. He wants those with the 'wrong' kind of politics to leave. He appoints and is surrounded by yes-men and is relying on outside agencies.

I can therefore understand his enthusiasm for a merger with conciliar conservatives that speak his language of reform and accommodation. Notice how the Rorate Caeli crowd temporaily moved out of their Ecclesia Dei niche when they thought Bp. F was coming their way. Of course he would be nothing without the bulk of the Society in tow.

Bishop Fellay knows that the trads in his care are his cash cows. He knows they are charmed by his ways...they are happy just to have the mass and they can continue on in their 1950's version of Catholicism and like most politicians, he knows how to get away with it...the sspx faithful always resort to the same logic...Fellay is the SG, we must obey, we must pray, pay and obey...we WANT to pay pray and obey.