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Re: Statue of Our Lady of Good Success shows disfavor to SSPX priests?
« Reply #75 on: February 27, 2019, 12:01:38 PM »
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  • What is incredible is that the SSPX has not said anything about "the miracles", for that would be the first point I would bring up. The SSPX instead chose to defend the bishop "honor" against the charges of being bribed, which is the last thing I would do, as all Novus Ordo bishops have skeletons in the closet. The SSPX set themselves up with that defense, and Guimaraes jumped on it first.

    It took me time to absorb the meaning of the more detailed description of the Franciscan sex scandal.

    It plays out as a demonically engineered abomination at a one of the most important Marian Shrines in the Americas... a Shrine specifically dedicated to our times.

    I believe Atila's assessment because it's consistent with other miraculous events in the history of the Shrine. 

    TIA by their own scholarship and hard work is an expert on Our Lady of Good Success.  They "re-discovered" and evangelized the Marian history & devotions that had been lost by apathetic Catholics.

    I predict we won't hear a peep out of the neo-SSPX on this event. That's the Menzingen brotherhood's MO.
    There's no way to spin the story.  They come off looking like intruder, "hirelings".

    But for those in the Catholic Resistance, this is just another example of the bad fruit coming from the new SSPX. 
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Statue of Our Lady of Good Success shows disfavor to SSPX priests?
    « Reply #76 on: February 27, 2019, 12:27:10 PM »
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  • It took me time to absorb the meaning of the more detailed description of the Franciscan sex scandal.

    It plays out as a demonically engineered abomination at a one of the most important Marian Shrines in the Americas... a Shrine specifically dedicated to our times.

    I believe Atila's assessment because it's consistent with other miraculous events in the history of the Shrine.  
    Your comment makes no sense to me, you recognize that the Franciscan Novus Ordos are a demonic abomination, yet you believe that Our Lady preferred to have them carry her instead of the SSPX? Am I missing something?
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    Re: Statue of Our Lady of Good Success shows disfavor to SSPX priests?
    « Reply #77 on: February 27, 2019, 01:22:37 PM »
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  • Your comment makes no sense to me, you recognize that the Franciscan Novus Ordos are a demonic abomination, yet you believe that Our Lady preferred to have them carry her instead of the SSPX? Am I missing something?
    The only thing you’re missing is that you’re thinking LOGICALLY. Maybe the problem is that you’re thinking at all, and not just blindly believing the drivel furiously typed online by mindless shills...

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    Re: Statue of Our Lady of Good Success shows disfavor to SSPX priests?
    « Reply #78 on: February 27, 2019, 01:26:55 PM »
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  • Wow! Much charity! 😑
    Also love the irony of a user named “Incredulous” shilling a story of statues miraculously getting too heavy to carry (unless you’re a homosexual Novus Ordo friar, which obviously pleases Our Lady) with absolutely ZERO corroboration. 
    Maybe it’s time for a username change my guy.

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    Re: Statue of Our Lady of Good Success shows disfavor to SSPX priests?
    « Reply #79 on: February 27, 2019, 01:56:56 PM »
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  • Okay, finally somebody has stepped up and sent me some photos. 

    Let me start by reminding everyone of the Original Article by this guy "Atila S. Guimarães." In his article (https://www.traditioninaction.org/OLGS/A022-Quito-ASG.htm) he says the following:

    "The Statue allowed herself to be transported by the Franciscans, but they could not move the Child Jesus, who in turn became insurmountably heavy."

    For anyone wondering what the word insurmountable means: 

    adjective
    incapable of being surmounted, passed over, or overcome; insuperable:an insurmountable obstacle.

    So, I think it's safe to assume that Mr. Guimarães is saying that the statue of the Child Jesus was so heavy, nobody could pick it up to put it on Our Lady's hand. 

    Now check out the photos that were just sent to me by a friend here at CathInfo.

    I think Mr. Guimarães has some serious (demonstrable) falsehoods in his story. I cannot in good conscience believe anything coming form this person.


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    Re: Statue of Our Lady of Good Success shows disfavor to SSPX priests?
    « Reply #80 on: February 27, 2019, 02:03:54 PM »
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    LT: Your comment makes no sense to me, you recognize that the Franciscan Novus Ordos are a demonic abomination, yet you believe that Our Lady preferred to have them carry her instead of the SSPX? Am I missing something?


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    DC: The only thing you’re missing is that you’re thinking LOGICALLY. Maybe the problem is that you’re thinking at all, and not just blindly believing the drivel furiously typed online by mindless shills...

    My, my, it just keeps going on. After over 4000 views and maybe 80 replies, we’re no closer to the truth of an event reported on by Guimaraes of TIA. Mr. Guimares reports, in summary, that SSPX priests try., and fail, to move a statue of OLGS. Guimaraes alleges that these priests are brought in to perform an act, normally carried out by the Franciscans. Why? because SSPX, allegedly, assumes the indebtedness of the archbishop of that diocese in which the statue of OLGS resides. He rewards SSPX by showing this special favor to them.
    (Predicatably, of course, the thread gets sidetracked by discussions of the Our Lady’s eyes opening and closing, etc. But that’s neither here no there)
    Last Tradhican confronts DC with a reasonable question. DC accuses LT of “thinking logically.” (I would say, perhaps, that we need more such thinking on CI.)
    DC points to LT's "problem," i.e. that he is thinking at all, implying that LT should put the kybosh on his thought processes altogether. Then DC refers to the “drivel” promoted by “mindless shills.” I come away feeling that maybe DC himself fits neatly into that category.
    Please, Matthew, put an end to this topic. We are, collectively, really not up to making a final decision about the veracity of the event recorded by Mr. Guimares. At the risk of sounding like a “mindless shill,” please stop allowing this dead horse to be kicked yet again.

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    Re: Statue of Our Lady of Good Success shows disfavor to SSPX priests?
    « Reply #81 on: February 27, 2019, 02:10:33 PM »
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  •  We are, collectively, really not up to making a final decision about the veracity of the event recorded by Mr. Guimares.
    I literally just posted evidence that shows a falsehood in the TIA article. Are you blind? Nobody has seriously addressed ANY of my objections and you’re mischaracterizing my posts. Grow up.

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    Re: Statue of Our Lady of Good Success shows disfavor to SSPX priests?
    « Reply #82 on: February 27, 2019, 03:51:53 PM »
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  • DC:
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    I literally just posted evidence that shows a falsehood in the TIA article.

    Do you refer to those photos you posted?  Just looked at them.  I see a couple of priests busying themselves around the statue.  I don't see any photos showing the statue being carried anywhere.  Is this your (irrefutable) evidence?  And, DC, I'll make every effort to "grow up." ;)


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    Re: Statue of Our Lady of Good Success shows disfavor to SSPX priests?
    « Reply #83 on: February 27, 2019, 04:16:58 PM »
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  • DC:
    Do you refer to those photos you posted?  Just looked at them.  I see a couple of priests busying themselves around the statue.  I don't see any photos showing the statue being carried anywhere.  Is this your (irrefutable) evidence?  And, DC, I'll make every effort to "grow up." ;)
    Atila said the statue of Jesus was too heavy to pick up. These photos seem to me to show priest picking up and holding the statue the evening Atila said it was “insurmountably heavy.” 
    I’m going to get more photos and videos and post them here when I do. If anyone was down there in Quito this year, feel free to message me photos or videos and I’ll post them somehow.

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    Re: Statue of Our Lady of Good Success shows disfavor to SSPX priests?
    « Reply #84 on: February 28, 2019, 02:31:55 AM »
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  • Your comment makes no sense to me, you recognize that the Franciscan Novus Ordos are a demonic abomination, yet you believe that Our Lady preferred to have them carry her instead of the SSPX? Am I missing something?

    LT,

    I didn't mean to imply that that the entire Franciscan order was demonic.
    Yes, the child molestation on the feast day of Our Lady of Good Success was a demonically engineered abomination. 

    My view: The Franciscans, however compromised, are still designated by Our Lady to be the Shrine caretakers.  Since Our Lady has the "exclusive license" to crush the head of the serpent, when she claims a property for her devotion, she doesn't back-down.
    Not to jews, queers, perverts or the Novus ordo missae.  She prevails in spite of them.

    This is consistent throughout the world's Marian Shrines. They've all been desecrated by judeo-masonry, but Our Lady will clean them up... Lourdes, Akita, LaSalette, Fatima and Quito.

    Ask yourself: Why did the neo-SSPX want to put their paws all over the Quito Shrine?

    Because, part of the Quito prophecy includes mention of prelate who will help save the Church.
    Menzingen wants that to be +ABL. 

    This prophetic link helps to endorse their political agenda... to replace Ecclesia Dei and head-up "tradition".
    The neo-SSPX and their Dutch marketing firm are constantly "branding".
    Making SSPX copy-rite of Catholic symbols is just one example.

    The shills and doubters of TIA's Quito report are just that. 
    The SSPX has hated TIA for decades, since Atila caught wind of their negotiations over Vatican II.
    Atila, being an undisputed expert on VII, could easily smell the SSPX rat.

    I'll make one more prediction:  The neo-SSPX will bug-out of Quito.

    Why?  Because the Menzingen politburo believes Atila's report. Especially the nervous Italian, Fr, Pagliarini.
    They don't want to directly mess with Our Lady. 
    Quito isn't like one of the independent chapels they've taken over.  They can't get the keys and control it.

    Consider, all of Bp Fellay's political Rosary Crusades, to support his dialogue campaigns with newChurch.
    It has not been easy for him.  

    Another Quito "event" might make a lot of people doubt the SSPX's holiness.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Statue of Our Lady of Good Success shows disfavor to SSPX priests?
    « Reply #85 on: February 28, 2019, 02:46:49 AM »
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  • Last Tradhican confronts DC with a reasonable question. DC accuses LT of “thinking logically.” (I would say, perhaps, that we need more such thinking on CI.)
    DC points to LT's "problem," i.e. that he is thinking at all, implying that LT should put the kybosh on his thought processes altogether. Then DC refers to the “drivel” promoted by “mindless shills.” I come away feeling that maybe DC himself fits neatly into that category.

    That question was directed to Incredulous. I take it DC is being tongue-in-cheek, supporting LT's reasoning. 
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    Re: Statue of Our Lady of Good Success shows disfavor to SSPX priests?
    « Reply #86 on: February 28, 2019, 02:57:24 AM »
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  • By the way, it is known that this is a common way for the Statue to show her displeasure.

    Not a fan of such a description. A statue has no agency. It would be Mary herself that is displeased. A quibble, perhaps...
    2 Corinthians 4:3-4

    And if our gospel be also hid, it is hid to them that are lost, In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of unbelievers, that the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should not shine unto them.

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    Re: Statue of Our Lady of Good Success shows disfavor to SSPX priests?
    « Reply #87 on: March 31, 2019, 08:44:10 PM »
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  • https://www.traditioninaction.org/Questions/B999_M116_Sad.html


    Two Proofs of SSPX’s ‘Temperance’


    Vox Catholica’s Attack




    Re: The Sadness of Our Lady in Quito 2019

    Note from the Editor: Miss Salwa Bachar is in charge of TIA social media. What follows is a report I asked her to write after an irrational attack she suffered from the editor of the blog Vox Catholica, who I am not sure is a priest or not. After her reply, he found it more prudent to not answer her and made his comment and her reply invisible. A.S.G.

    On Saturday, Feb. 9, TIA’s staff writer Salwa Bachar posted this comment on the channel Vox Catholica’s YouTube Video. It reads:

    “I believe your viewers will benefit from reading this article that gives more details about what happened in Quito last week:

    Vox Catholica’s attack

    Not even 10 minutes later, Vox Catholica’s editor replied to Salwa’s comment. His reply not only included false representations of Mr. Atila’s article (straw man fallacies) and accusations that Salwa was spreading “dirty propaganda from the non-Catholic sect called TFP,” but it was also rife with intimidations and threats of physical violence. The reply was the following:

    This article is Slanderous, and frankly whoever wrote it is in grave sin. The author falsely accuses the Archbishop of simony (accepting bribes for religious privileges etc.), it totally mischaracterizes the TFP (Tradition Family Property, who has been illegally forcing themselves on the sisters of the convent), and it states that the SSPX moved the statue from the upper choir and that is also a DIRTY LIE. I have video footage of the Franciscan Friars 1) Leading the procession, 2) Carrying our lady down from the upper choir and placing her on the altar, 3) I have video footage of the Archbishop attending the dawn procession on Feb. 2, which is the first time EVER that he has participated in this devotion 4) and the idea that the Society has enough money to go around the world bribing bishops for privileges is a sick lie. How dare you accuse a good bishop of sin! How dare you spread this dirty propaganda from the NON-CATHOLIC SECT known as the TFP.

    “+Salwa Bachar, if I wasn't posting this response from my channel's account, I'd be using much stronger language, and if we ever met in real life, believe me, I'd take you behind the convent and share a couple of fist fulls of the truth with you. You need to seriously re-consider where you get your news from, and you need to do some fact checking before you go around accusing Bishops of grave sin. I'll be praying for you.” [emphasis added]

    Salwa’s reply

    After some hours, Salwa Bachar posted this comment in response to Vox Catholica’s threats:

    “If you are so courageous, why don’t you present your grievances to the author of that article? I believe he stands behind what he affirmed. I am a lady who just advised your viewers to see the other side of the picture.

    “The unruly fury you showed against me for just suggesting another point of view shows that you believe you are infallible and you punish violently with words and physical threats those who are not on your side. This behavior is what scholars say characterizes the belonging to a sect. The exposition of the truth is normally calm and rational, not what you did, resorting to baseless personal attacks and labels.

    “The violence of your reaction also confirms suspicion that you are directly linked with SSPX, contrary to your website’s claim that you are 'not affiliated to any Catholic order or diocese.'”

    To date, Vox Catholica has not responded.

    For a snapshot of the Vox Catholica page, click here




    Fr. B. Haenny’s Attack



    Dear Sir,

    I have read your article on the “Sadness of Our Lady in Quito – 2019.” Having been there myself for the lowering, I can tell you that the SSPX priests did NOT bring down the statue but it was the Franciscans. Perhaps some of the video and pictures I took of the event will be helpful to expose your lie.

    Accusing the archbishop of simony and accepting a large donation of money based on the “talk of the town” is a calumny and a grave sin. If you have the proof, offer the evidence. If you don’t, retract your lie immediately. What kind of a Catholic man throws baseless and unproven accusations against a prelate of the Church? You talk of Catholic “knighthood” and “honor.” Such is not in the example of Catholic honor and chivalry that your mentor, Dr. Plinio taught you, I am sure, and that TFP so self-righteously claims to uphold. It is the tactic of Freemasons and all those who justify the means by the end. It is the tactic of all those in history who disregard morality, all those who serve as agents of the prince of lies. I can think of no other reason to publish such lies except that getting control of a convent of sisters and control of Our Lady is more important for you or for whoever you work for than honoring Our Lady’s requests and obedience to the hierarchy of the Catholic Church.

    If you have any decency and honor you will retract this article and publish a full apology immediately and may God have mercy on you if you do not.

    Fr. B. Haenny


    The Editor responds:

    Rev. Fr. Haenny,

    It will be my great pleasure to answer your rabid diatribe when I find some spare time. Unfortunately for me, I have to postpone this pleasure for about 20 days since I am busy with two other ongoing projects.

    To put some weeks between your message and my answer can give you time to cool your fury and check with your superiors to be sure that your points reflect well their position. It also will allow other like-minded protesters to come forth, so that I may answer all the objections together.

    I like many aspects of bullfights and I am glad you assumed the role of the bull charging at the red cape in the ring.

       Cordially,

       Atila S. Guimarães

    Atila exposes himself, once again, as an arrogant pig who has the filthy habit of attacking priests and even a Saint. A layman has no business treating a man of God, who brings heaven down to earth in the Mass, with such disrespect.
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    Re: Statue of Our Lady of Good Success shows disfavor to SSPX priests?
    « Reply #88 on: March 31, 2019, 09:00:05 PM »
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  • A defender of TFP/ TIA posts Atila's attack on a priest?? This is in SUPPORT of an arrogant layman who repeatedly:
    attacks good Traditional Catholic priests
    creates his own facts,
    twists the words of St. Thomas Aquinas,
    is so sure of his cult followers that he
    fails to cite his sources

    The Editor responds: 

    Rev. Fr. Haenny, 

    It will be my great pleasure to answer your rabid diatribe when I find some spare time. Unfortunately for me, I have to postpone this pleasure for about 20 days since I am busy with two other ongoing projects. 

    To put some weeks between your message and my answer can give you time to cool your fury and check with your superiors to be sure that your points reflect well their position. It also will allow other like-minded protesters to come forth, so that I may answer all the objections together. 

    I like many aspects of bullfights and I am glad you assumed the role of the bull charging at the red cape in the ring. 

        Cordially, 

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    Re: Statue of Our Lady of Good Success shows disfavor to SSPX priests?
    « Reply #89 on: March 31, 2019, 09:49:12 PM »
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  • Atila exposes himself, once again, as an arrogant pig who has the filthy habit of attacking priests and even a Saint. A layman has no business treating a man of God, who brings heaven down to earth in the Mass, with such disrespect.
    Atila's response is proportionate because it is in response to Fr. Haenny's original e-mail:

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    Dear Sir,

    I have read your article on the “Sadness of Our Lady in Quito – 2019.” Having been there myself for the lowering, I can tell you that the SSPX priests did NOT bring down the statue but it was the Franciscans. Perhaps some of the video and pictures I took of the event will be helpful to expose your lie.

    Accusing the archbishop of simony and accepting a large donation of money based on the “talk of the town” is a calumny and a grave sin. If you have the proof, offer the evidence. If you don’t, retract your lie immediately. What kind of a Catholic man throws baseless and unproven accusations against a prelate of the Church? You talk of Catholic “knighthood” and “honor.” Such is not in the example of Catholic honor and chivalry that your mentor, Dr. Plinio taught you, I am sure, and that TFP so self-righteously claims to uphold. It is the tactic of Freemasons and all those who justify the means by the end. It is the tactic of all those in history who disregard morality, all those who serve as agents of the prince of lies. I can think of no other reason to publish such lies except that getting control of a convent of sisters and control of Our Lady is more important for you or for whoever you work for than honoring Our Lady’s requests and obedience to the hierarchy of the Catholic Church.

    If you have any decency and honor you will retract this article and publish a full apology immediately and may God have mercy on you if you do not.

    Fr. B. Haenny
    It seems to me that Fr. Haenny has that contempt for the TFP so typical in SSPX circles, all based on discredited misunderstandings and myths.

    Your comment, however, is not proportional at all: "Arrogant pig," "arrogant layman", etc. Also, I notice the implications he is a liar ("creates his own facts", "twists the words of St. Thomas Aquinas"), as well as your assertion TIA is a cult and Atila is the cult leader. All of this is very bad of you to say.

    Keep in mind most attacks on the TFP/TIA come from neocon sources. The only criticism people should be making of TFP/TIA are: TFP has compromised on Vatican II, and TIA doesn't produce nearly enough articles refuting nonsense like your post.

    God bless...

     

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