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  • https://traditioninaction.org/OLGS/A022-Quito-ASG.htm

    The Archbishop of Quito, Fausto Trávez Trávez forbade the group of good Catholic men who for two decades have been bringing the Statue from the choir to the Church from carrying out this work. He also prohibited them to organize the Procession of the Dawn, a solemn procession carrying a smaller statue of Our Lady through the streets of the city in the dawn hours of her feast day, February 2. 

    He passed these charges to the priests of the Society of Saint Pius X (SSPX), who overnight entered the picture and took over. The reason for this sudden complacence of the Archbishop with a group that says the Latin Mass, which he forbids in his whole Archdiocese, seem to be some rare exchange of favors on both parts. 

    Indeed, the common talk in Quito was that the Archbishop had been pressured by creditors to pay the huge debt he had assumed during Pope Francis’ visit to Quito in 2015 and was unable to pay. It was being said everywhere that the SSPX advanced the needed amount of money in exchange for the Prelate’s pledge to replace that group of good Catholics who traditionally oversaw the descent of the Statue and organized the Procession of the Dawn. 

    I also heard from well-informed persons that, when the SSPX priests tried to lift the Statue from the choir to bring her down to the Church, the Statue became so heavy that they were unable to do so. By the way, it is known that this is a common way for the Statue to show her displeasure: the Statue becomes so heavy that it cannot be transported even by a group of strong men. 

    According to these trustworthy sources, the situation was so embarrassing that the nuns did not know what to do. The Archbishop was called and he decided that the Franciscans should carry it down. The Statue allowed herself to be transported by the Franciscans, but they could not move the Child Jesus, who in turn became insurmountably heavy. So, for that first night the Statue remained in the Church without the Christ Child in her arm. The next morning the Mother Superior could easily pick up the Child and place Him in the arm of His Mother.




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    Re: Statue of Our Lady of Good Success shows disfavor to SSPX priests?
    « Reply #1 on: February 10, 2019, 02:21:58 PM »
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  • My son once participated in the procession of the statue.  I will check with his contacts, those who used to organized it, whether in fact any of this story checks out.


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    Re: Statue of Our Lady of Good Success shows disfavor to SSPX priests?
    « Reply #2 on: February 10, 2019, 02:59:00 PM »
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  • The "good Catholic men who for two decades have been bringing the Statue from the choir" are the TFP, whom have not always been so good according to some SSPX/Resistance faithful who have been on that pilgrimage many times.

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    « Reply #3 on: February 10, 2019, 04:42:06 PM »
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  • I'm surprised that strangers (foreigners) who have very recently (in the last 10 years) found out about the procession, should be so haughty to attempt to take over.
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    Re: Statue of Our Lady of Good Success shows disfavor to SSPX priests?
    « Reply #4 on: February 10, 2019, 05:27:33 PM »
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  • Methinks that +Fellay has an understanding with new-rome that he should expand and monopolize Tradition as much as he can so that when the deal happens, almost everything traditional will be swallowed by the neo-sspx’s frightful (yet predictable) compromise with V2.  The faithful and priests will enjoy this expansion as they have pridefully drank the “we’ll convert Rome” and “we’re the salvation of the Church” koolaid.  


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    « Reply #5 on: February 10, 2019, 06:15:11 PM »
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  • The "good Catholic men who for two decades have been bringing the Statue from the choir" are the TFP, whom have not always been so good according to some SSPX/Resistance faithful who have been on that pilgrimage many times.

    Correct, the TFP has been managing the procession ... I guess until the SSPX pushed them out.  I'll contact the TFP member I know who organized some of these trips.  They never had issues moving the statue.  I have a picture of my son (along with others) carrying the statue.

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    « Reply #6 on: February 10, 2019, 06:36:27 PM »
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  • I contacted someone that was there recently. They said the above never happened as reported. There is a power struggle going on with a few different groups there to take control. Until it gets sorted out there will be confusion there as predicted.

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    « Reply #7 on: February 10, 2019, 07:01:26 PM »
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  • Well, my son was told that the TFP and SSPX used to alternate taking turns to care for the statue ... but then the SSPX just stopped showing up.  So it was left to the TFP for a while.  I have an e-mail out to some high-ranking TFP members I know to see if there's any truth to the TIA article.


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    « Reply #8 on: February 10, 2019, 09:53:10 PM »
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  • This may be why the SSPX could not move the statue. Because Mary Herself wills the Franciscans to govern the Conceptionist Convent. 


    In the third apparition of January 16, 1599, Our Lady of Good Success came to reveal her identity to Mother Mariana and order her to have a statue made. This was shortly after the spiritual direction of the Conceptionist Convent had been removed from the Franciscan Friars and transferred to the Diocesan Bishop. Her words follow:


    “The separation of the Friars Minor has taken place by divine permission. Woe to those who openly worked to obscure the light of my Convent! But after some centuries, they will return to govern this beloved flock, which will always lament their absence and feel their loss. … 

    Happy, blessed, and beloved by God will be my daughters of this time who, with humility and simplicity, will manifest their desire to subject themselves to my Franciscan Friars, following the [original] Rule and obeying that Prelate, my much beloved son. Their names will be written in the Sacred Heart of Jesus, their Divine Spouse, and in my own.” (Volume I, Chapter 22, pp. 142-143). 

    This prophecy supposes that the Prelate is yet to come, since the Immaculate Conception Convent in Quito is still under the Archdiocese of Quito and has not been returned to the direction of the Franciscans. The cloistered sisters in the Convent also have not yet returned to original Rule of the Conceptionists. 


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    Re: Statue of Our Lady of Good Success shows disfavor to SSPX priests?
    « Reply #9 on: February 10, 2019, 10:33:26 PM »
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  • The SSPX will likely tell you their manly young priests were "just weak", from missing their normal Chocoberry oatmeal breakfasts before heading out to move the statue of Our Lady of Good Success.

    It is beyond them to ever admit that Our Lady was letting them know she was unhappy with the SSPX touching her statue.


    The Sadness of Our Lady of Good Success in Quito 2019 

    Atila S. Guimarães

    This year I was able to be in Quito on February 2, the Feast Day of Our Lady of Good Success. I had never been in that colorful and beautiful city before. I arrived on February 1st and left on the 7th. From February 1st to the 3rd, when the Statue returned to her cloistered place in the Convent’s upper choir, I tried to stay with her as much as I could, which translates into about four or five hours every day.



    Although photos with flash were not allowed in the Church and my camera is not a professional one, I took many pictures on those days, some of which I will share with my readers. 

    Upon entering the Church of the Immaculate Conception, which is majestic and very dignified – but not as rich as the Cathedral or the Church of San Francisco – one needs some time to adapt his spirit to that baroque atmosphere of old Quito. While this adaptation takes place, the eyes are drawn to the main Statue on the central altar, which replaces Christ Crucified during those days. There was the Statue of Our Lady of Good Success. 

    She reigns from her niche not only as the Abbess of the Convent of the Immaculate Conception but as the Empress of the world. The way she holds her staff gives the impression that she is ready to take some steps and descend in order to exert her dominion over all her subjects. I don’t know of any picture of Louis XIV in all his pomp that has more majesty than Our Lady in that Statue. 

    Her majesty, however, was not of an Empress who is being applauded by her subjects. It appeared to me to be rather the majesty of a Queen who is being rejected. She seems to be closed in her own dignity as if she were saying: “I continue to be myself in all my majesty, even when no one or just a few are open to me.” 

    She has something of the rejected majesty that can be seen in the Holy Shroud of Turin. God Incarnate was rejected, condemned for the good He did and crucified between thieves. His Sacred Face is the paradigm of majesty rejected: it is the Divine Majesty rejected. In my opinion, Our Lady of Good Success’ Statue revealed something similar on those days that she descended from her Abbess’ chair in the upper choir to be with the people of Quito. 

    The expression of the Sacred Statue did not soften during the two next days. On the afternoon of February 3, she was brought from the central altar to a place on an andor near the Communion rail, as an intermediary site before she would return to the cloister. 

    It was good for the faithful present who could see her more closely. But, viewing the sacred image closer, it seemed to me her sadness was still more pungent. She appeared to be on the verge of weeping, as the photos show. 

    Now, why was the Statue so sad? Are there reasons for this apogee of grievance?

     
    I believe there are many reasons for that sadness. I list just a few:

    • Her Statue had to bear many Novus Ordo Masses said at her feet.
    • The Convent nuns themselves do not have access to a Tridentine Mass and, when some good Catholics bring a priest to say one inside the Convent, the Superiors complain and prefer the New Mass in the vernacular.
    • The New Mass is said for the nuns by two Franciscan priests. On February 3, one of these priests was denounced by the parents of two girls, then arrested and jailed for sexually abusing their daughters. This news was in the headlines of the local newspapers and the topic was still making front page news on February 6. 
    • The Archbishop of Quito, Fausto Trávez Trávez forbade the group of good Catholic men who for two decades have been bringing the Statue from the choir to the Church from carrying out this work. He also prohibited them to organize the Procession of the Dawn, a solemn procession carrying a smaller statue of Our Lady through the streets of the city in the dawn hours of her feast day, February 2. 
    • He passed these charges to the priests of the Society of Saint Pius X (SSPX), who overnight entered the picture and took over. The reason for this sudden complacence of the Archbishop with a group that says the Latin Mass, which he forbids in his whole Archdiocese, seem to be some rare exchange of favors on both parts. 
    • I also heard from well-informed persons that, when the SSPX priests tried to lift the Statue from the choir to bring her down to the Church, the Statue became so heavy that they were unable to do so. By the way, it is known that this is a common way for the Statue to show her displeasure: the Statue becomes so heavy that it cannot be transported even by a group of strong men. 

      According to these trustworthy sources, the situation was so embarrassing that the nuns did not know what to do. The Archbishop was called and he decided that the Franciscans should carry it down. The Statue allowed herself to be transported by the Franciscans, but they could not move the Child Jesus, who in turn became insurmountably heavy.
       

    Here, I offer my readers some reasons – real or hypothetical, since I cannot guarantee the veracity of the rumors that were flying in Quito all while I was there – that may explain why Our Lady was so sad. 

    In any circumstance, good Catholics need to make reparation for these and many other offenses being made daily against her and her Son. To call for reparation is the motif that inspired me to write these lines.

    "If I could only make the faithful sing the Kyrie, the Gloria, the Credo, the Sanctus and the Agnus Dei ... that would be to me the finest triumph sacred music could have, for it is in really taking part in the liturgy that the faithful will preserve their devotion. I would take the Tantum ...

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    Re: Statue of Our Lady of Good Success shows disfavor to SSPX priests?
    « Reply #10 on: February 12, 2019, 10:26:44 AM »
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  •  Atila S. Guimaraes states:
    "The Archbishop was called and he decided that the Franciscans should carry it down. The Statue allowed herself to be transported by the Franciscans, but they could not move the Child Jesus, who in turn became insurmountably heavy." 

    1. ) Supposedly the statute of Our Lady was able to be carried by priests who exclusively offer the Novus Ordo, but not the SSPX. 

    2.), "the group of good Catholic men who for two decades have been bringing the Statue from the choir to the Church" are the TFP, a group that does not preach the full message of Fatima and does not denounce the errors and heresies of Vatican II or the hierarchy. Yet, the statue has allowed the compromisers to carry her but now not the SSPX. Atila suggest that this is Our lady's disapproval with the SSPX but why no disapproval all these years with those who compromise with the Novus Ordo?




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    « Reply #11 on: February 12, 2019, 10:49:36 AM »
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  • Atila S. Guimaraes states:
    "The Archbishop was called and he decided that the Franciscans should carry it down. The Statue allowed herself to be transported by the Franciscans, but they could not move the Child Jesus, who in turn became insurmountably heavy."

    1. ) Supposedly the statute of Our Lady was able to be carried by priests who exclusively offer the Novus Ordo, but not the SSPX.

    2.), "the group of good Catholic men who for two decades have been bringing the Statue from the choir to the Church" are the TFP, a group that does not preach the full message of Fatima and does not denounce the errors and heresies of Vatican II or the hierarchy. Yet, the statue has allowed the compromisers to carry her but now not the SSPX. Atila suggest that this is Our lady's disapproval with the SSPX but why no disapproval all these years with those who compromise with the Novus Ordo?
    Excellent observations Mr G. Though I doubt the SSPX priests themselves were the ones that tried to carry the statues. I also doubt that the "Franciscans" they mention were priests, being as the Novus Ordo priests "subcontract" even the distribution of the Blessed Sacrament to laymen. There is not enough information in the article to make a decision one way or another. I am surprised that Mr. Guimaraes, who is always very detailed in his investigative work, should write such a thin article.
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    « Reply #12 on: February 12, 2019, 10:52:07 AM »
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  • The TFP works together with the Franciscans and the Conceptionist Convent during the Feast of Our Lady of Good Success, and for the procession on Feb 2nd. But it is the Franciscan priests who bring down the original statue from her place above the altar. The TFP members would carry the smaller replica of the statue through the streets of Quito for the dawn procession. 

    The statue of Mary only descends from the altar a few times a year for a short period of time. She comes down to visit her people, it has nothing to do with which Mass is being said. The arrangement between the archbishop and SSPX to take away the right of the Franciscan priests is what would have caused the statue to stay put until the matter was resolved. 

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    « Reply #13 on: February 12, 2019, 11:04:14 AM »
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  • The TFP works together with the Franciscans and the Conceptionist Convent during the Feast of Our Lady of Good Success, and for the procession on Feb 2nd. But it is the Franciscan priests who bring down the original statue from her place above the altar. The TFP members would carry the smaller replica of the statue through the streets of Quito for the dawn procession.

    The statue of Mary only descends from the altar a few times a year for a short period of time. She comes down to visit her people, it has nothing to do with which Mass is being said. The arrangement between the archbishop and SSPX to take away the right of the Franciscan priests is what would have caused the statue to stay put until the matter was resolved.
    The Guimaraes article then is totally unreliable since he says "The Archbishop of Quito, Fausto Trávez Trávez forbade the group of good Catholic men who for two decades have been bringing the Statue from the choir to the Church from carrying out this work", it does not say Franciscan priests. Moreover, you say the statues are brought down from their place above the altar, while Guimaraes  says it is brought down from the choir. 
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    « Reply #14 on: February 12, 2019, 11:06:54 AM »
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  • How many SSPX priest went on this pilgrimage, that they had enough priests to carry the statue? 
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