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Offline Last Tradhican

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Re: Statue of Our Lady of Good Success shows disfavor to SSPX priests?
« Reply #15 on: February 12, 2019, 11:42:21 AM »
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    Indeed, the common talk in Quito was that the Archbishop had been pressured by creditors to pay the huge debt he had assumed during Pope Francis’ visit to Quito in 2015 and was unable to pay. It was being said everywhere that the SSPX advanced the needed amount of money in exchange for the Prelate’s pledge to replace that group of good Catholics who traditionally oversaw the descent of the Statue and organized the Procession of the Dawn.
    When the pope visits cities, the cost is astronomical. I'd say in the millions of dollars (the popes visit to Ireland cost $32 million Euros). Why would the SSPX pay millions or even $10,000 to carry the statue down from a choir loft? 
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    Re: Statue of Our Lady of Good Success shows disfavor to SSPX priests?
    « Reply #16 on: February 12, 2019, 12:01:35 PM »
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  • When the pope visits cities, the cost is astronomical. I'd say in the millions of dollars (the popes visit to Ireland cost $32 million Euros). Why would the SSPX pay millions or even $10,000 to carry the statue down from a choir loft?

    You'd think that kind of money would be better spent given to the poor.  125 families could receive a quarter million euros.


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    Re: Statue of Our Lady of Good Success shows disfavor to SSPX priests?
    « Reply #17 on: February 12, 2019, 12:03:19 PM »
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  • How many SSPX priest went on this pilgrimage, that they had enough priests to carry the statue?

    Yes, perhaps those priests need to get some weight training equipment at their residence.  :laugh1:

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    Re: Statue of Our Lady of Good Success shows disfavor to SSPX priests?
    « Reply #18 on: February 12, 2019, 12:26:58 PM »
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  • Yes, perhaps those priests need to get some weight training equipment at their residence.  :laugh1:
    Or dare I say Resistance training?

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    « Reply #19 on: February 12, 2019, 01:28:08 PM »
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  • Or dare I say Resistance training?

    :laugh1:

    Yes, the SSPX priest would certainly benefit from Resistance training.


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    Re: Statue of Our Lady of Good Success shows disfavor to SSPX priests?
    « Reply #20 on: February 12, 2019, 03:47:53 PM »
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  • The Guimaraes article then is totally unreliable since he says "The Archbishop of Quito, Fausto Trávez Trávez forbade the group of good Catholic men who for two decades have been bringing the Statue from the choir to the Church from carrying out this work", it does not say Franciscan priests.  
    If you read the whole article you would find...

    The Archbishop was called and he decided that the Franciscans should carry it down. The Statue allowed herself to be transported by the Franciscans

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    Re: Statue of Our Lady of Good Success shows disfavor to SSPX priests?
    « Reply #21 on: February 12, 2019, 05:13:11 PM »
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  • :laugh1:

    Yes, the SSPX priest would certainly benefit from Resistance training.

    SSPX should send Father Michael McMahon over there.  He could probably lift the statue by himself.  He and I were at seminary at the same time.  We were playing soccer one time, and he and I collided at full speed, and I flew threw the air about 3-4 yards.  It was actually fun, and I got up laughing.  And I am 6'3" 225 lbs.  He's a big man.

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    Re: Statue of Our Lady of Good Success shows disfavor to SSPX priests?
    « Reply #22 on: February 12, 2019, 06:47:13 PM »
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    I also heard from well-informed persons that, when the SSPX priests tried to lift the Statue from the choir to bring her down to the Church, the Statue became so heavy that they were unable to do so. By the way, it is known that this is a common way for the Statue to show her displeasure: the Statue becomes so heavy that it cannot be transported even by a group of strong men. 
     
     According to these trustworthy sources, the situation was so embarrassing that the nuns did not know what to do. The Archbishop was called and he decided that the Franciscans should carry it down. The Statue allowed herself to be transported by the Franciscans, but they could not move the Child Jesus, who in turn became insurmountably heavy. So, for that first night the Statue remained in the Church without the Christ Child in her arm. The next morning the Mother Superior could easily pick up the Child and place Him in the arm of His Mother.


     
    OK. Isn’t it time, before this thread goes any further, that this story unfolded just as described? Can we either absolutely confirm or absolutely deny that this statue became too heavy for sspx priests to carry? Can we absolutely confirm or deny that the Franciscans, on the other hand, were able to lift and transport the statue? In other words, did it happen as recorded above, or didn’t it? Has the story been thoroughly corroborated? I, for one, am not certain, from all the previous posts taken collectively, that the incident did, or did not occur as explained.


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    Re: Statue of Our Lady of Good Success shows disfavor to SSPX priests?
    « Reply #23 on: February 13, 2019, 02:40:38 AM »
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  • https://www.traditioninaction.org/Questions/B999_M116_Sad.html


    Two Proofs of SSPX’s ‘Temperance’


    Vox Catholica’s Attack




    Re: The Sadness of Our Lady in Quito 2019 

    Note from the Editor: Miss Salwa Bachar is in charge of TIA social media. What follows is a report I asked her to write after an irrational attack she suffered from the editor of the blog Vox Catholica, who I am not sure is a priest or not. After her reply, he found it more prudent to not answer her and made his comment and her reply invisible. A.S.G. 

    On Saturday, Feb. 9, TIA’s staff writer Salwa Bachar posted this comment on the channel Vox Catholica’s YouTube Video. It reads: 

    “I believe your viewers will benefit from reading this article that gives more details about what happened in Quito last week: 

    Vox Catholica’s attack 

    Not even 10 minutes later, Vox Catholica’s editor replied to Salwa’s comment. His reply not only included false representations of Mr. Atila’s article (straw man fallacies) and accusations that Salwa was spreading “dirty propaganda from the non-Catholic sect called TFP,” but it was also rife with intimidations and threats of physical violence. The reply was the following: 

    This article is Slanderous, and frankly whoever wrote it is in grave sin. The author falsely accuses the Archbishop of simony (accepting bribes for religious privileges etc.), it totally mischaracterizes the TFP (Tradition Family Property, who has been illegally forcing themselves on the sisters of the convent), and it states that the SSPX moved the statue from the upper choir and that is also a DIRTY LIE. I have video footage of the Franciscan Friars 1) Leading the procession, 2) Carrying our lady down from the upper choir and placing her on the altar, 3) I have video footage of the Archbishop attending the dawn procession on Feb. 2, which is the first time EVER that he has participated in this devotion 4) and the idea that the Society has enough money to go around the world bribing bishops for privileges is a sick lie. How dare you accuse a good bishop of sin! How dare you spread this dirty propaganda from the NON-CATHOLIC SECT known as the TFP

    “+Salwa Bachar, if I wasn't posting this response from my channel's account, I'd be using much stronger language, and if we ever met in real life, believe me, I'd take you behind the convent and share a couple of fist fulls of the truth with you. You need to seriously re-consider where you get your news from, and you need to do some fact checking before you go around accusing Bishops of grave sin. I'll be praying for you.” [emphasis added

    Salwa’s reply 

    After some hours, Salwa Bachar posted this comment in response to Vox Catholica’s threats: 

    “If you are so courageous, why don’t you present your grievances to the author of that article? I believe he stands behind what he affirmed. I am a lady who just advised your viewers to see the other side of the picture. 

    “The unruly fury you showed against me for just suggesting another point of view shows that you believe you are infallible and you punish violently with words and physical threats those who are not on your side. This behavior is what scholars say characterizes the belonging to a sect. The exposition of the truth is normally calm and rational, not what you did, resorting to baseless personal attacks and labels. 

    “The violence of your reaction also confirms suspicion that you are directly linked with SSPX, contrary to your website’s claim that you are 'not affiliated to any Catholic order or diocese.'” 

    To date, Vox Catholica has not responded. 

    For a snapshot of the Vox Catholica page, click here 




    Fr. B. Haenny’s Attack



    Dear Sir, 

    I have read your article on the “Sadness of Our Lady in Quito – 2019.” Having been there myself for the lowering, I can tell you that the SSPX priests did NOT bring down the statue but it was the Franciscans. Perhaps some of the video and pictures I took of the event will be helpful to expose your lie. 

    Accusing the archbishop of simony and accepting a large donation of money based on the “talk of the town” is a calumny and a grave sin. If you have the proof, offer the evidence. If you don’t, retract your lie immediately. What kind of a Catholic man throws baseless and unproven accusations against a prelate of the Church? You talk of Catholic “knighthood” and “honor.” Such is not in the example of Catholic honor and chivalry that your mentor, Dr. Plinio taught you, I am sure, and that TFP so self-righteously claims to uphold. It is the tactic of Freemasons and all those who justify the means by the end. It is the tactic of all those in history who disregard morality, all those who serve as agents of the prince of lies. I can think of no other reason to publish such lies except that getting control of a convent of sisters and control of Our Lady is more important for you or for whoever you work for than honoring Our Lady’s requests and obedience to the hierarchy of the Catholic Church. 

    If you have any decency and honor you will retract this article and publish a full apology immediately and may God have mercy on you if you do not. 

    Fr. B. Haenny 


    The Editor responds: 

    Rev. Fr. Haenny, 

    It will be my great pleasure to answer your rabid diatribe when I find some spare time. Unfortunately for me, I have to postpone this pleasure for about 20 days since I am busy with two other ongoing projects. 

    To put some weeks between your message and my answer can give you time to cool your fury and check with your superiors to be sure that your points reflect well their position. It also will allow other like-minded protesters to come forth, so that I may answer all the objections together. 

    I like many aspects of bullfights and I am glad you assumed the role of the bull charging at the red cape in the ring. 

        Cordially, 

        Atila S. Guimarães


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    Re: Statue of Our Lady of Good Success shows disfavor to SSPX priests?
    « Reply #24 on: February 13, 2019, 09:01:49 AM »
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  • What a mess!

    Let's get back to reality here, Mr. Guimaraes article is showing itself to be unresearched and emotionally based, very uncharacteristic of him. Here are just three quotes that he wrote in this article that discredits the entire article:

    1) The statue can change it's face according to how it feels - this would be a spectacular miracle for the world to see, not just a comment in an article. What proof does he have?

    2) The statue can makes itself heavy so that no one can lift her, and makes itself light so that even an elderly lady can lift it. - Again, this would be a spectacular miracle for the world to see, not just a comment in an article. What proof does he have?

    3) The bishop got bribed by the SSPX - this is a serious charge that he posts based on only hearsay (which he acknowledges in the article) . Not only that, it makes no sense, why would the SSPX pay the millions of dollars of which the Bishop is still in debt after the pope's visit, or even $10,0000, just to get the privilege of replacing the Franciscan priests who have always been carrying the statues down from a choir loft?  
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    Re: Statue of Our Lady of Good Success shows disfavor to SSPX priests?
    « Reply #25 on: February 13, 2019, 01:18:08 PM »
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  • It sounds as if there is a power struggle between the SSPX and TFP over Our Lady’ statue. The letter from Fr So-and-so appears to confirms it. 

    This article is Slanderous, and frankly whoever wrote it is in grave sin. The author falsely accuses the Archbishop of simony (accepting bribes for religious privileges etc.), it totally mischaracterizes the TFP (Tradition Family Property, who has been illegally forcing themselves on the sisters of the convent)



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    Re: Statue of Our Lady of Good Success shows disfavor to SSPX priests?
    « Reply #26 on: February 13, 2019, 01:20:04 PM »
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  • Sorry about font size it changed once I posted. 

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    Re: Statue of Our Lady of Good Success shows disfavor to SSPX priests?
    « Reply #27 on: February 13, 2019, 01:35:15 PM »
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  • ...”and it states that the SSPX moved the statue from the upper choir and that is also a DIRTY LIE.”

    Atila never stated in his article that the SSPX moved the statue, he said it had been reported that the SSPX attempted to move her but could not.


    From what I know in reading TIA for years and their coverage of Our Lady of Good Success and the Convent in Quito, Atila’s article was an unbiased report on the goings-on in Quito at the time of the Feast and procession. Which side of the story is true however, only those directly involved know the truth.




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    Re: Statue of Our Lady of Good Success shows disfavor to SSPX priests?
    « Reply #28 on: February 13, 2019, 08:24:53 PM »
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    Which side of the story is true however, only those directly involved know the truth.

    Which means, I guess, we're back to square one.

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    Re: Statue of Our Lady of Good Success shows disfavor to SSPX priests?
    « Reply #29 on: February 13, 2019, 10:05:34 PM »
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  • I know someone that went there recently. The SSPX Priests did not carry the statue the Franciscans did. There is a power struggle going on and the SSPX is not involved.