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« Reply #15 on: October 26, 2012, 11:15:24 PM »
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    « Reply #16 on: October 27, 2012, 12:54:42 AM »
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    What a consummate hypocrite Fr. Schmidberger is.

    ... and poor Bp. Fellay! So, uhm, afflicted...!


    (Still thanks dear Against the Heresies for your thankless task to translate and post the message.)




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    « Reply #17 on: October 27, 2012, 03:00:52 AM »
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    In very early 2009, an American gentleman, appalled by Bp Fellay's manipulation of the Holy Rosary to get the SSPX into Newrome, started his own Rosary Crusade to oust Bp Fellay. He appealed to Bishop Williamson for a leadership role. The Bishop's reply is published below. It shows that what Fr Schmidberger says is not true.


    Mon, 16/2/09
    To Everyone,
     
     
    The requested letter from Bishop Williamson is below. I did request and obtain his permission to send it to everyone:
    -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
     
     "No, no, a thousand times no", in the words of the old song.  Given the power in today's world of certain people, the game must be played to a certain extent according to their rules. I blame no colleague or Superior for trying to salvage a viable future for the SSPX as a whole from the wreckage caused by a few ill-chosen words on Swedish TV. I am not saying those words were or are untrue. I am only saying that I cannot go along with any repudiation of the present SSPX leadership.
     
    I might go along with it if they were to try to cut a bad deal with Rome, but here and now I absolutely do not believe that to be the case.    If it became the case, I think you could trust me to say so, because the Faith would be at stake, and it does look as though I am liable to say what I think. Trust me then when I say that I do not think the SSPX is heading for betrayal.
     
    Be patient. Pray the Rosary to avoid confusion in a situation in which the Devil is playing almost how he likes with countless hearts and minds.
     
    I send you my blessing, and to all your friends, but not for the idea of setting me up to head a new organisation. No way.  
     
    Pray the Rosary. God bless you.                +Richard Williamson.
     
     



    This is worth a close read.  H.E. answers the query, but does not really say what
    one might think he is saying.  His answer is in regards to him not accepting the
    proposal to lead a 'new organization,' or, what Menzingen calls a 'rebellion.'  But
    think -- what was in the mind of the questioner?  He wanted to enjoin other
    Catholics in a Rosary Crusade (at a time when +Fellay had been doing just that,
    ostensibly for another reason but he had not been forthright in his disclosure of
    what his 'true intention' had been) with the overt intention for +Fellay to leave
    his office ("to oust +Fellay").  But wait -- isn't that precisely what +W has now
    suggested to +F in his "Open Letter ... on an Exclusion," dated October 19th?
    +Fellay's own voluntarily resignation would be the answer to +W's prayer, it
    would seem, even while +W here refused to openly promote a Rosary Crusade
    for that same intention.  

    My point here is, that +W is not forbidding the layman to organize such a Crusade.
    He is not even advising against it.  He offers no words of discouragement, to
    dissuade any laymen from embarking on such a Rosary Crusade.  All he is
    saying is that he does not want to take the leadership role in such a thing.  Why
    not?  He doesn't explain that.  But let me do another one of my WAGs here.  I
    take a lot of pride in WAGs.  Maybe that's a fault, but give this one a chance
    before you make a snap judgment.

    It is my own hypothesis that +W does not want to lead a Rosary Crusade for the
    express purpose of having +Fellay voluntarily resign from SG for two, or rather,
    make that three reasons.  And those reasons are as follows:  

    1).  +W does not find any incentive in conducting a 'battle of Rosary intentions'
    across the fence at a brother bishop, that is, H.E. refuses to make Our Lady's
    Garland into the medium of a feud.  And,
     
    2).  H.E. does not desire to detract from the original intentions of +F's Crusade,
    which were quite good, as they originally were made manifest, that is, he would
    like to preserve that erstwhile intention and perhaps even increase it.  

    But after all that, it absolutely does not mean that he in any way opposes any
    number of laymen voluntarily coordinating a Rosary Crusade for this ouster
    intention.  In fact, if +W could find a way for +Fellay himself to pray the Rosary
    with the intention that +F become inspired to resign from the SG office, he would
    jump on that in a heartbeat.  Oh, and there is one more item:  

    3).  +W does not want to be the new SG, for he is faithful to ABL's precept, that a
    bishop should not hold that post, to avoid the appearance of a parallel
    Church, that is, he wants to have no part in using the Most Holy Rosary as some
    kind of propaganda instrument to further his own agenda.  

    Now, this is by example.  +W would never stoop to such a thing.  He would never
    ask the faithful to pray the Rosary for a particular set of intentions while he
    SECRETLY desires to later on claim that some pre-arranged turn of events is
    then an "answer to our prayers!"   (Did you hear a bell ringing?)   For anyone who
    would stoop so LOW should most definitely not hold any kind of office of
    superiority in the Church, or even in a fraternal society like this one in question.

    No, I propose in this hypothesis, that +W would be quite pleased with his flock
    if they were to take it upon their own initiative, without slothfully waiting for him
    to take the reins up and drive the parade forward (as Fr. Chazal claims the
    French are wont to do -- especially the French priests!), but instead to rise up,
    EXURGE! and begin this Crusade on our own!  




    Therefore, it is my heartfelt conviction that we should do just that.

    Far be it from me to presume any leadership role, for I do not have such a
    position.  But I hereby request that Matthew make the announcement.  This is
    his forum.

    Furthermore, I most sincerely suggest that we include not only prayer of the
    Most Holy Rosary, during this month of the Rosary (before it's gone!), but that
    we also engage ourselves, as best we can, to FAST and PRAY because, when
    His disciples asked Him, "Why could not we cast him out?  Jesus said to them,
    Because of your unbelief.  For, amen I say to you, if you have faith as a grain
    of mustard-seed, you shall say to this mountain: remove from hence hither, and
    it shall remove: and nothing shall be impossible to you.  But this kind is not cast
    out but by prayer and fasting" (Mt. xvii. 18-20).  

    I think His Lordship should know we can apply the Gospel...............  :geezer:

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    « Reply #18 on: October 27, 2012, 04:27:50 AM »
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    « Reply #19 on: October 27, 2012, 04:28:23 AM »
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  • Quote from: Francisco
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    What a consummate hypocrite Fr. Schmidberger is.

    ... and poor Bp. Fellay! So, uhm, afflicted...!


    (Still thanks dear Against the Heresies for your thankless task to translate and post the message.)

    Is Fr Schmidberger the Auxiliary/Honorary/Supernumerary  Superior General? Why has HE to make a statement? Isn't Menzingen's official one enough?


    Yes, he still thinks he's a kind of general from past superior general times. In the German-speaking SSPX area his nickname is with good reason: The General.
    That's why a few years ago the secretary of superior general Bp. Fellay, the streetwise Fr. Niklaus Pfluger, complaint bitterly about Fr. Schmidberger. He said, and I just recall from memory: Fr. Schmidberger doesn't obey Bp. Fellay, alas, this Father all the time does as he pleases.

    This could be one of the reasons why recently Fr. Schmidberger's time in office as German district superior has been "cut" down by Menzingen: cut down to one year, and then he's a out of superior office. So this point in time would be (late) summer of 2013. And then? Are the younger SSPX priests better? Normally I wouldn't.

    So on the one side Bp. Fellay is a very, very weak "leader" with very, very, limited competences. And on the other side there's a rather strong Fr. Schmidberger with an organisational talent and theological knowledge, but being a turncoat who always follows the power. For example one or two years ago he castrated his formerly good booklet "Time-bombs of Vatican II" to please the anti-Christian Jєωs. And of course his lectures.
    Also he's a tyrant in a certain way. Many German-speaking SSPX priests work in fear of him. Some say the Father is only usable when he's got a strong superior who leads him. (Like the Archbishop maybe?)
    And unfortunately poor Father tends to implement the non-Catholic motto: The end justifies the means.

    The SSPX general chapter in 1994 voted Fr. Schmidberger out of his superior general's office not for incompetence but for his harsh and uncommunicative way to handle people including superiors. That's what some voter told me.


    Now the big irony is: Why in heaven's name did the 1994 Chapter members vote for Bp. Fellay then and so vote for "Operation ѕυιcιdє"? Many voters knew that he was the most incompetent one of all candidates, that he never wrote any theological article of any importance, that he never leaded any group of people or other operation, but only the SSPX' bursary... Even Fr. Niklaus Pfluger said to the Chapter members shortly before the vote: Don't vote for Bp. Fellay because he's not up to the task!

    This 1994 chapter is a kind of mystery... Maybe we layfolk didn't pray enough...?


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    « Reply #20 on: October 27, 2012, 04:51:04 AM »
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  • Ethelred, how likely is it that Fr. S may break ranks and take his district into Rome while his fellow German is still alive there? I pose this question on Ignis Ardens realising that the German district is the most liberal. Also, how does he square his admiration for Ratzinger with that of Angela Merkel, not exactly friends?

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    « Reply #21 on: October 27, 2012, 07:01:26 AM »
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    Quote from: Francisco
    Quote from: Ethelred
    What a consummate hypocrite Fr. Schmidberger is.

    ... and poor Bp. Fellay! So, uhm, afflicted...!


    (Still thanks dear Against the Heresies for your thankless task to translate and post the message.)

    Is Fr Schmidberger the Auxiliary/Honorary/Supernumerary  Superior General? Why has HE to make a statement? Isn't Menzingen's official one enough?


    Yes, he still thinks he's a kind of general from past superior general times. In the German-speaking SSPX area his nickname is with good reason: The General.
    That's why a few years ago the secretary of superior general Bp. Fellay, the streetwise Fr. Niklaus Pfluger, complaint bitterly about Fr. Schmidberger. He said, and I just recall from memory: Fr. Schmidberger doesn't obey Bp. Fellay, alas, this Father all the time does as he pleases.

    This could be one of the reasons why recently Fr. Schmidberger's time in office as German district superior has been "cut" down by Menzingen: cut down to one year, and then he's a out of superior office. So this point in time would be (late) summer of 2013. And then? Are the younger SSPX priests better? Normally I wouldn't.

    So on the one side Bp. Fellay is a very, very weak "leader" with very, very, limited competences. And on the other side there's a rather strong Fr. Schmidberger with an organisational talent and theological knowledge, but being a turncoat who always follows the power. For example one or two years ago he castrated his formerly good booklet "Time-bombs of Vatican II" to please the anti-Christian Jєωs. And of course his lectures.
    Also he's a tyrant in a certain way. Many German-speaking SSPX priests work in fear of him. Some say the Father is only usable when he's got a strong superior who leads him. (Like the Archbishop maybe?)
    And unfortunately poor Father tends to implement the non-Catholic motto: The end justifies the means.

    The SSPX general chapter in 1994 voted Fr. Schmidberger out of his superior general's office not for incompetence but for his harsh and uncommunicative way to handle people including superiors. That's what some voter told me.


    Now the big irony is: Why in heaven's name did the 1994 Chapter members vote for Bp. Fellay then and so vote for "Operation ѕυιcιdє"? Many voters knew that he was the most incompetent one of all candidates, that he never wrote any theological article of any importance, that he never leaded any group of people or other operation, but only the SSPX' bursary... Even Fr. Niklaus Pfluger said to the Chapter members shortly before the vote: Don't vote for Bp. Fellay because he's not up to the task!

    This 1994 chapter is a kind of mystery... Maybe we layfolk didn't pray enough...?


    Makes sense that they will axe the one that i believe started this whole Neo-SSPX coup. Everyone get's axed in the end:

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    No mention of Bishop Williamson or all the priests who have ben exiled.

    In the future, Bishop Galaretta, and Tissier de Mallerais will likely be removed too. Like the communists totalitarians, Bishop Fellay will continue purging anyone with a mind of their own. That is the way it works.


    If Bishop Galaretta, and Bishop Tissier de Mallerais do not stand up for Bishop Williamson and the SSPX priests that have been expelled, then they will sooner or later learn the old lesson:

    When the communists came for the rich and factory landowners,
    I remained silent;
    I was not a admirer of the "rich".

    When they locked up the small business owners,
    I remained silent;
    I was just a low level employee.

    When they came for my bosses,
    I did not speak out;
    I was not enamored of them.

    When they came for my neighbors,
    I remained silent;
    I wasn't a big mouth like them.

    When they came for me,
    there was no one left to speak out.

    ---------------------------------------------------
    I was shocked to find the four SSPX bishops celebrating the lifting of their excommunications, when the excommunications of Abp. Lefevbre and Bishop Castro de Mayer had not been lifted. A noble person would have rejected the lifting of the excommunicatios, if it did not include those two patriarchs.

    Now we see that Bishop Williamson will be next, expulsed from the SSPX, and likely now being also threatenend with re-excommunicated from Rome.

    That is the way it works. He should not have accepted the lifting of his excommunication, since the two patriarchs were left out. The same will happen to all of them, and the last one will be Bishop Fellay, he will also have his head cut off by the progressivist.

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    « Reply #22 on: October 27, 2012, 10:05:45 AM »
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    Ethelred, how likely is it that Fr. S may break ranks and take his district into Rome while his fellow German is still alive there?

    I think it is rather unlikely.

    The simple explanation would be: We Germans love law and order and do usually only ignore an hierarchy in an extreme emergency. :-)

    The more complex one is: When indeed Fr. Schmidberger would do as he pleases, which then would clash with the real superiors in Menzingen (and we must conclude this from Fr. Pfluger's complaint), then the reason for this is probably because Fr. Schmidberger is still used to be The General, and not so much because Stuttgart and Menzingen would have theological differences. On the contrary I think they're all modern men and have the same theological goals: Newrome and some extra hat.

    For example:
    * in 1988 Fr. Pfluger favoured the unification with Newrome and even intrigued against Archbishop Lefebvre behind his back. Fr. Pfluger searched for accomplices to (recalled from memory) "overthrow the old Archbishop who doesn't see clear anymore". A solid priest and eye-witness told me so.
    * also Fr. Schmidberger favoured a unification with Newrome in 1988, but in contrast to Fr. Pfluger, once he noticed that the Archbishop would really consecrate the four bishops, he swung back "in place" -- at least outwardly.


    To come back to your question: When Fr. Schmidberger noticed that Menzingen officially gave the Newrome-unification the green light (in early 2012? Or earlier?), he too published unification propaganda one by one in a "gone head over heels" mode.
    Now when Bp. Fellay suddenly said some weeks ago to some hundred professors and priests of the French district (see Cathinfo), that the pope would have framed him (was that the word?) and blah-blah, I think Fr. Schmidberger thought "Oh, our dream will have to wait" and went into a temporary opposition mode to the Newrome unification.
    That's why in a recent interview with the German (SSPX financed) magazine "Kirchliche Umschau" (I think somebody translated the best "bits" here on Cathinfo?) Fr. Schmidberger even said the Newpope would be two-faced. Imagine these public words! His priests who said so three months ago in sermons were warned or banned from preaching. What a turncoat. But once you quit the path of the truth, it can only get worse...


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    « Reply #23 on: October 27, 2012, 10:06:25 AM »
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    I pose this question on Ignis Ardens realising that the German district is the most liberal.

    No "traditional" Catholic can be more liberal than Bp. Fellay and Fr. Pfluger. :-)

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    Also, how does he square his admiration for Ratzinger with that of Angela Merkel, not exactly friends?

    I think liberal double-thinkers can say 2+2=400, if necessary.

    And the Merkel thing came with the Judazier Krah who's a party comrade of Merkel. Probably Krah said to Fr. Schmidberger: Look, Merkel is our man. By joining forces with her we can fight the communists (Schmidberger is an anti-communist not seeing that Merkel is a globalist communist), suck up to the Jєωs (because Merkel is a Jєωιѕн puppet), and so win many new Conciliar parishioners. So the money's rolling in, you can build new chapels, the nice pope will like you even more because you are something, and we're cool...

    No?

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    « Reply #24 on: October 27, 2012, 10:08:50 AM »
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    Makes sense that they will axe the one that i believe started this whole Neo-SSPX coup. Everyone get's axed in the end:

    [..]

    No mention of Bishop Williamson or all the priests who have been exiled.

    In the future, Bishop Galaretta, and Tissier de Mallerais will likely be removed too. Like the communists totalitarians, Bishop Fellay will continue purging anyone with a mind of their own. That is the way it works.

    [..]

    I was shocked to find the four SSPX bishops celebrating the lifting of their excommunications, when the excommunications of Abp. Lefevbre and Bishop Castro de Mayer had not been lifted. A noble person would have rejected the lifting of the excommunicatios, if it did not include those two patriarchs.

    Now we see that Bishop Williamson will be next, expulsed from the SSPX, and likely now being also threatenend with re-excommunicated from Rome.

    That is the way it works. He should not have accepted the lifting of his excommunication, since the two patriarchs were left out. The same will happen to all of them, and the last one will be Bishop Fellay, he will also have his head cut off by the progressivist.


    Yes, that's the usual way of blood money.

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    « Reply #25 on: October 27, 2012, 04:07:05 PM »
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    I pose this question on Ignis Ardens realising that the German district is the most liberal.

    No "traditional" Catholic can be more liberal than Bp. Fellay and Fr. Pfluger. :-)

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    Also, how does he square his admiration for Ratzinger with that of Angela Merkel, not exactly friends?

    I think liberal double-thinkers can say 2+2=400, if necessary.

    And the Merkel thing came with the Judazier Krah who's a party comrade of Merkel. Probably Krah said to Fr. Schmidberger: Look, Merkel is our man. By joining forces with her we can fight the communists (Schmidberger is an anti-communist not seeing that Merkel is a globalist communist), suck up to the Jєωs (because Merkel is a Jєωιѕн puppet), and so win many new Conciliar parishioners. So the money's rolling in, you can build new chapels, the nice pope will like you even more because you are something, and we're cool...

    No?


    If Rome knew they were going to go into discussios with sspx, then why would  they close down churches and schools instead of letting FSSP and Christ insitute take over.  Instead there are new age religions sharing church property, protestants in charge of big new "communities"...

    Liberal Bishops and cardinals of vatican II have more power then the Pope

    Recently, the local catholic paper had article about sspx and bishop williamson and no mention of h0Ɩ0cαųst or even Jєωιѕн Wordl Congress even mentioned.  

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