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Statement of Fr. Schmidberger SSPX
« on: October 26, 2012, 08:38:54 AM »
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    Erklärung des Distriktoberen zum Ausschluss von Bischof Williamson


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    Dear friends and benefactors,

    the exclusion of Bishop Williamson from the Society of St. Pius X. may be surprising and perhaps even incomprehensible for outsiders; for people who are familiar with the situation, it is the painful endpoint in a development, which lasts for years now and which became dramatically worse in recent months.

    His aversion to the Superior General and his Council became rejection, rejection became resistance and resistance became open rebellion.

    He missed no opportunity to alienate the administration of the Society from himself, he revealed confidential documents and at last demanded unashamedly the resignation of the Superior General.

    Before the General chapter in July of the current year, he said in a filmed interview verbally:

    “If the Society succeds by a miracle, to get rid of Bishop Fellay and his gang, than this will be a very big purification.” – “There is just a hope, not more than a hope, that at the General Chapter the good elements may take the majority away from Bishop Fellay. If they do that, they will have succeded to get rid of Bishop Fellay. It’s a hope. It’s a dream.”

    As every candidate for ordination, Bishop Williamson has promised at his priestly ordination on June 29, 1976 obedience and reverence to Archbishop Lefebvre and his successors.

    Before the Bishops consecration our founder beseeched in a letter the four candidates for the episcopacy to remain united among themselves, in submission to the particular Superior General. Which message would we send outwards and inwards, if a bishop demands obedience and reverence form the candidates at the priestly ordination to the Superior General, while he takes the liberty for himself to insult him.

    Our Lord says in the Gospel of St. Luke: “No kingdom can be at war with itself without being brought to desolation, one house falling upon another.”

    As Bishop Williamson despite many counsels, fraternal exhortations and warning words was unwilling to change his position, after all, only the separation remained.

    We have thus lost in our fraternity a bishop. Personally this exclusion hits me all the more, as Bishop Williamson was as a seminarian at Ecône with me in the same course and after his ordination he was 1976 in Weissbad for one year my coworker in the formation of the young Levites in the German-speaking part.

    Please pray for the afflicted Superior General and pray also for the excluded one, that he may realize his wrong track and return back in the father's house.


    Stuttgart, October 26, 2012
    Father Franz Schmidberger, District Superior

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    Statement of Fr. Schmidberger SSPX
    « Reply #1 on: October 26, 2012, 09:08:08 AM »
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  • What a consummate hypocrite Fr. Schmidberger is.

    ... and poor Bp. Fellay! So, uhm, afflicted...!


    (Still thanks dear Against the Heresies for your thankless task to translate and post the message.)


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    « Reply #2 on: October 26, 2012, 09:37:38 AM »
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  • Quote from: Ethelred
    What a consummate hypocrite Fr. Schmidberger is.

    ... and poor Bp. Fellay! So, uhm, afflicted...!


    (Still thanks dear Against the Heresies for your thankless task to translate and post the message.)


    Is Fr Schmidberger the Auxiliary/Honorary/Supernumerary  Superior General? Why has HE to make a statement? Isn't Menzingen's official one enough? As mentioned earlier on in this forum, when the two Bishops went to meet the General Council earlier this year, Schmidberger was present even though he is not a member of the General Council.

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    « Reply #3 on: October 26, 2012, 09:53:54 AM »
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  • Fr Florian Abrahamowicz has sent a message of support to Bishop Williamson. It is in German and is published on www.novusordowatch.org


    Bischof Richard Williamson
    „Wir bleiben katholisch“
    Zum Ausschluß von Bischof Richard Williamson aus der Piusbruderschaft. Von Pater Florian Abrahamowicz.

    (kreuz.net) Angesichts des von Mons. Bernard Fellay durchgesetzten, skandalösen Ausschlusses von Bischof Richard Williamson aus der Piusbruderschaft möchte ich dem Ausgeschlossenen meine Nähe versichern.

    Der Druck von seiten der zionistischen Welt hat Mons. Fellay zuerst gezwungen, mich im Jahr 2009 als Holokaust darzubringen und jetzt Bischof Williamson. Welche Schande!

    Mons. Williamson ist – wie ich und andere Priester, die aus der Piusbruderschaft ausgeschlossen wurden oder diese verlassen haben – ein katholischer Traditionalist.

    Die katholischen Traditionalisten erkennen sich nicht in der neuen Kirche des Zweiten Vatikanischen Konzils, weil diese nach den Worten von Erzbischof Marcel Lefebvre „nicht die sichtbare Kirche darstellt, die von unserem Herrn Jesus Christus gegründet wurde.“

    Mons. Fellay erklärte dagegen im Jahr 2008 zusammen mit der Leitung der Priesterbruderschaft Sankt Pius X. vor der französischen Zeitschrift ‘Fideliter’, daß er sich von den Positionen ihres Gründers, Erzbischof Marcel Lefebvre, distanziere.

    Heute sind Mons. Fellay und seine Anhänger der rechte Flügel dieser neuen Kirche.

    Wir bleiben katholisch.

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    « Reply #4 on: October 26, 2012, 10:57:24 AM »
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  • Everything Father Franz Schmidberger says here is backwards.  

    Is this, October 26th, 'backwards day' or something?  I know it's not April Fools' day.



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    His aversion to the Superior General and his Council became rejection, rejection became resistance and resistance became open rebellion.


    It is +Fellay's aversion to the principles of their founder ABL that is the cause
    of all this turmoil, and therefore his aversion to +Williamson, since +W is the
    one who most personifies faithfulness to those very principles.


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    He missed no opportunity to alienate the administration of the Society from himself, he revealed confidential documents and at last demanded unashamedly the resignation of the Superior General.


    It is rather +Fellay who has 'missed no opportunity to alienate' himself and his
    erstwhile administration (the Menzingen-denizens) from the principles of ABL
    and by extension those who are faithful to them ('the three' bishops and all the
    good and loyal SSPX priests worldwide).

    It is the Superior General who has 'unashamedly demanded the resignation' of
    the good Bishop Williamson!  Let's get it straight here!  It is the SG who has
    FAILED to share these 'confidential documents' that would have exposed his
    own nefarious undermining of the Society from within!  How much more is he
    hiding??  Maybe we will now be finding out, for +W doesn't have to keep
    holding back, does he?  Wait -- are you sure this is such a good idea, +Fellay?

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    As every candidate for ordination, Bishop Williamson has promised at his priestly ordination on June 29, 1976 obedience and reverence to Archbishop Lefebvre and his successors.


    Well, +Fellay made that promise too, but has he kept it?  Has he maintained his
    adherence to what he has received, as what is carved on the tombstone of
    ABL at his grave over which +Fellay stood so proudly after the GC?


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    Before the Bishops' consecration our founder beseeched in a letter the four candidates for the episcopacy to remain united among themselves, in submission to the particular Superior General. Which message would we send outwards and inwards, if a bishop demands obedience and reverence form the candidates at the priestly ordination to the Superior General, while he takes the liberty for himself to insult him.


    And has +Fellay remained united, or has he made some abrupt departure off
    on a 'new direction' and an utter contradiction to the rule of "no doctrine, no
    deal" with Rome?  Just as ABL refused false obedience to the erroneous Pope, so
    too +W refuses false obedience to the erroneous SG.  Of course, sedevacantists
    would disagree.  They would say that if +Fellay is erroneous, he must not be
    the true Superior General.   :facepalm:

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    Our Lord says in the Gospel of St. Luke: “No kingdom can be at war with itself without being brought to desolation, one house falling upon another.”


    So, +Fellay has taken up arms (ideologically) against the Society, and when it
    tries to defend itself, he blames the conservators for 'being at war with itself!'
    What temerity!  What vitriol!  What insolence!

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    As Bishop Williamson despite many counsels, fraternal exhortations and warning words was unwilling to change his position, after all, only the separation remained.


    What about +W's counsels to +F?  What about +F's duty to remain faithful to
    the Founder's defined path?  And as for 'fraternal exortations,' that's a poor
    choice of words.  Try 'tyrannical threats,' or 'abusive lies,' or 'contemptuous and
    unreasonable demands.'  Let's face the facts.  +F was 'unwilling to change his
    position' and return to what he had ALREADY ABANDONED.  What foolishness!

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    We have thus lost in our fraternity a bishop. Personally this exclusion hits me all the more, as Bishop Williamson was as a seminarian at Ecône with me in the same course and after his ordination he was 1976 in Weissbad for one year my coworker in the formation of the young Levites in the German-speaking part.


    The fraternity has lost a bishop all right, and his name is +Fellay!  Where is he
    going?  Quo vadis, Fellay?  And if something is "hitting you all the more,"
    I would hope it would be the light of TRUTH, or is it a cold, dead fish in the face?
    Is this what you would have expected as a seminarian at Ecône, years ago, to
    have your SG running off on some wild tangent and expecting others to follow
    along behind him like LEMMINGS?  What about those "young Levites in the
    German-speaking part" -- are they on board with you?  Or do they lament the
    unjust and criminal abjuration of everything true that +Fellay attempts to
    perpetrate with this illicit and immoral 'expulsion' of a good bishop?

    No, the real fraternity has not lost +Williamson.  He is still here, God willing, and
    may the saints preserve us!  He is "waiting" as he says.  

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    Please pray for the afflicted Superior General and pray also for the excluded one, that he may realize his wrong track and return back in the father's house.


    Afflicted -- what? No, no, no, Fr. Schmidberger,  you've got it backwards.  The
    afflicted is not the Superior General.  The Superior General is the AFFLICTOR.  
    He is causing the affliction to happen to Bishop Williamson.  Maybe you missed
    that lesson in grammar when you were in third or fourth grade.  You see what
    happens when children are not good students?  

    This is one of the errors of Russia:   to get the OBJECT of the verb mixed up
    with the SUBJECT of the sentence.  Communists thrive on omitting the object in
    their sentences.  Ever notice that?  And here, Fr. Schmidberger is acting, or
    writing actually, just like a student of Stalin.  He's got the object of the verb
    confused with the object of the second verb.  The sentence should read:

    Please pray for the afflicted one who was excluded, and pray also for the
    Superior General who afflicted him with exclusion, that he may realize his
    wrong track and return back to the father's house.




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    Statement of Fr. Schmidberger SSPX
    « Reply #5 on: October 26, 2012, 11:01:13 AM »
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    Erklärung des Distriktoberen zum Ausschluss von Bischof Williamson


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    Dear friends and benefactors,

    the exclusion of Bishop Williamson from the Society of St. Pius X. may be surprising and perhaps even incomprehensible for outsiders; for people who are familiar with the situation, it is the painful endpoint in a development, which lasts for years now and which became dramatically worse in recent months.

    His aversion to the Superior General and his Council became rejection, rejection became resistance and resistance became open rebellion.

    He missed no opportunity to alienate the administration of the Society from himself, he revealed confidential documents and at last demanded unashamedly the resignation of the Superior General.

    Before the General chapter in July of the current year, he said in a filmed interview verbally:

    “If the Society succeds by a miracle, to get rid of Bishop Fellay and his gang, than this will be a very big purification.” – “There is just a hope, not more than a hope, that at the General Chapter the good elements may take the majority away from Bishop Fellay. If they do that, they will have succeded to get rid of Bishop Fellay. It’s a hope. It’s a dream.”

    As every candidate for ordination, Bishop Williamson has promised at his priestly ordination on June 29, 1976 obedience and reverence to Archbishop Lefebvre and his successors.

    Before the Bishops consecration our founder beseeched in a letter the four candidates for the episcopacy to remain united among themselves, in submission to the particular Superior General. Which message would we send outwards and inwards, if a bishop demands obedience and reverence form the candidates at the priestly ordination to the Superior General, while he takes the liberty for himself to insult him.

    Our Lord says in the Gospel of St. Luke: “No kingdom can be at war with itself without being brought to desolation, one house falling upon another.”

    As Bishop Williamson despite many counsels, fraternal exhortations and warning words was unwilling to change his position, after all, only the separation remained.

    We have thus lost in our fraternity a bishop. Personally this exclusion hits me all the more, as Bishop Williamson was as a seminarian at Ecône with me in the same course and after his ordination he was 1976 in Weissbad for one year my coworker in the formation of the young Levites in the German-speaking part.

    Please pray for the afflicted Superior General and pray also for the excluded one, that he may realize his wrong track and return back in the father's house.


    Stuttgart, October 26, 2012
    Father Franz Schmidberger, District Superior


    +Williamsons' resistance to BF was due to the neo-modernist stance taken by BF and reflects very much the resistance which  Mgr Leferbvre showed to the post VII followers including the Pope, Cardinals, Bishops and Priests.  He was not thrown out of the Catholic Church, as BW is being thrown out of SSPX.

    Furthermore, BF has no right to forbid BW to stop his apostolate via the Eleison Comments and is over-stepping the mark in doing so!  They are Bishops on an equal footing and none of them can dictate what each should be teaching so long as they are following the traditional Catholic teaching of the Church.

    In addition to which, when Fr Schmidberger reminds us about ABL's request to remain united amongst themselves, and in submission to the particular SG, ABP also let it be known that he did not wish any of the Bishops themselves to ever become the SG as he saw their roles as confirming the faithful and ordaining new priests.

    "As every candidate for ordination, Bishop Williamson has promised at his priestly ordination on June 29, 1976 obedience and reverence to Archbishop Lefebvre and his successors."  HE IS ONE OF THE SUCCESSORS!!!! From what we have read and heard, BF, sadly, has shown a lack of both support and respect for his colleague.  BF can speak out against BW publicly, as he has done over the years, but does not allow BW to defend himself or respond ... this is seen as 'disobedience'.  Again ... ABL never ever treated any of the SSPX Priests in this cavalier manner, and he was our great founder!  BF lacks the forebearance, patience and charity of our founder.

    ABL, when he was taking the great decision to separate himself from the neo-modernist, he did work in secret and for a whole year he went round the world presenting his case openly, and allowing discussions for and against on all aspects of his would-be decision.

    BF has acted in secret, informing only those in his confidence and acted not as a leader, but as a conspirator.  That runs contrary to everything the SSPX has stood for and should still stand for now.

    We pray for BW and especially for BF and colleagues.

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    What a consummate hypocrite Fr. Schmidberger is.

    ... and poor Bp. Fellay! So, uhm, afflicted...!


    (Still thanks dear Against the Heresies for your thankless task to translate and post the message.)


    One of the reasons, I believe, for BF's temerity in acting as a dictator, is that he has massive finances of the SSPX which he controls and gives him the power to threaten people with legal action, both priests and laity, these all being in vulnerable positions.  Many of the Society Priests would no doubt leave if it were not that they have no financial recourse outside the Society.  However, as the current group of SSPX Priests who have either left or been ousted grows, there will no doubt be a greater exodus of true traditional priests.  Therefore, the SSPX will grow again whilst the NSSPX will go into decline.

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  • +Fellay should resign and consign himself to a monastery to do penance for his
    crimes.  

    Fr. Schmidberger is supporting the ERRORS OF BP. FELLAY, and therefore should
    also resign and consign himself to a monastery to do penance.  

    That would take care of the two erstwhile Superiors General who have now
    betrayed the oath and spirit, the letter and the intention, of the Founder, ABL,
    who ever more appears as a great gift of God to us, unworthy men!

    Kyrie eleison.



    Our Lady was right, the errors of Russia have spread over the whole world,
    even into the SSPX, where they should have been unwelcome.




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    and pray also for the excluded one, that he may realize his wrong track and return back in the father's house.


    At the risk of sounding uncharitable, I question the sincerity of this request.  The tone is condescending <granted, my inference), more so, it is projection.

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  • Any SSPX cleric who came forth to make a public statement
    on Msgr. Williamson's expulsion has a dog in this fight.

    So, far, that's Bp. Fellay, Fr. Phluger and Fr. Schmidberger.

    For the neoSSPX's problems, they seem to be the key ones to watch and pray for.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    « Reply #10 on: October 26, 2012, 07:06:14 PM »
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  • I had no idea.  I feel terrible.  It seems everything is lies.  First novus ordo and now this.  I bought the booklet Time bombs of the second vatican council by schmidberger from the sspx chapel where we go to Mass now.

       
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    « Reply #11 on: October 26, 2012, 10:22:54 PM »
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  • In very early 2009, an American gentleman, appalled by Bp Fellay's manipulation of the Holy Rosary to get the SSPX into Newrome, started his own Rosary Crusade to oust Bp Fellay. He appealed to Bishop Williamson for a leadership role. The Bishop's reply is published below. It shows that what Fr Schmidberger says is not true.


    Mon, 16/2/09
    To Everyone,
     
     
    The requested letter from Bishop Williamson is below. I did request and obtain his permission to send it to everyone:
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     "No, no, a thousand times no", in the words of the old song.  Given the power in today's world of certain people, the game must be played to a certain extent according to their rules. I blame no colleague or Superior for trying to salvage a viable future for the SSPX as a whole from the wreckage caused by a few ill-chosen words on Swedish TV. I am not saying those words were or are untrue. I am only saying that I cannot go along with any repudiation of the present SSPX leadership.
     
    I might go along with it if they were to try to cut a bad deal with Rome, but here and now I absolutely do not believe that to be the case.    If it became the case, I think you could trust me to say so, because the Faith would be at stake, and it does look as though I am liable to say what I think. Trust me then when I say that I do not think the SSPX is heading for betrayal.
     
    Be patient. Pray the Rosary to avoid confusion in a situation in which the Devil is playing almost how he likes with countless hearts and minds.
     
    I send you my blessing, and to all your friends, but not for the idea of setting me up to head a new organisation. No way.  
     
    Pray the Rosary. God bless you.                +Richard Williamson.
     
     

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    « Reply #12 on: October 26, 2012, 11:04:56 PM »
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  • Some one  from another site made a very good point.  Wouldn't the Pope make the final decision to expell or excommunicate a bishop??

    Especially, since the formal excommunications have been lifted in 2009 by the Pope himself.
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  • It seems that US Catholic Conference of American Bishops and  Bishop Fellay has authority and power over the Pope.  Wouldn't that be disobedience?

    After all, locally the problem is mainly with the liberal bishops who won't even utilized traditional groups that are under the Pope.  It seems that liberal bishops of vatican II would rather close down churches and schools and go into real estate business rather then use FSSP or Institute of Christ.
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    « Reply #14 on: October 26, 2012, 11:12:33 PM »
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  • Quote from: Neil Obstat

    Fr. Schmidberger is supporting the ERRORS OF BP. FELLAY, and therefore should
    also resign and consign himself to a monastery to do penance.  

    That would take care of the two erstwhile Superiors General who have now
    betrayed the oath and spirit, the letter and the intention, of the Founder, ABL,
    who ever more appears as a great gift of God to us, unworthy men!



    Quote from: Ethelred

    An example:
    Not too long after that procession in Rome in the year 2000 in a meeting of priests in Winona (*) which is held every year in February, Fr Schmidberger addressed the meeting of priests, talking about the possibility of a "regularization". A "regularization" of the SSPX with Rome, and he laid out some possible scenarios as to how this might be, and he spoke of it in glowing terms, as if was something that would be most desirable.  
    And among the 50 or so priests that were in the room there was just a stunned silence; you could see the jaws drop. And then when the question period - after the presentation was past, a question period came up - the questions were decidedly negative and skeptical.
    So that would seem to be a good thing.  But then not long after that the various superiors began to be replaced - the "hard liners" you might say...



    (*) The person who told this story from first hand doesn't remember anymore what year it was, but shortly after this 2000 "jubilance" year and in the early part of last decade.

    Posted Sep 8, 2012, 10:48 am


     

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