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Statement by Fr. Paul Morgan, District Superior,
« on: May 28, 2013, 11:41:04 AM »
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  • "The Recusant"


    "The Recusant" presents itself ‘as an unofficial SSPX newsletter, fighting a guerrilla war for the soul of Tradition.’ This ‘guerrilla war’ is now coming out into the open in that a signed ‘Letter of Entreaty’ has appeared on its website which attacks the Society in no uncertain terms. Addressed to ‘Fr Morgan and the Clergy of the British District,’ the open letter, dated 21st May 2013, accuses the Society of having deviated from its essential mission of fidelity to Catholic Tradition and opposition to Modernism due to the betrayal of its liberal leadership!

    Ignoring the fact that there has not been a false deal with modernist Rome, and in spite of his public withdrawal in Ireland of the questionable April 2012 ‘Doctrinal Declaration,’ the dialectical letter pretends there is no option for us now but to show true leadership and to follow its proponents in seceding from the Society!

    In recent months, such as in his last Letter to Friends and Benefactors and his recent conferences in Ireland, Bishop Fellay has clarified that he does not accept the legitimacy of the New Mass nor the errors of Vatican II nor the ‘hermeneutic of continuity’ which pretends to reconcile them with Tradition.

    With regard to the ‘Letter of Entreaty,’ Bishop Fellay has stated that "the paragraph which claims to prove everything, that is of 'my April (2012) declaration,' is wrong and false from the beginning to end; there is not one phrase which presents correctly what I have written…Poor people who are so misled by their mistrust." Hence, rather than boycotting the Superior General’s forthcoming visit, I would urge the concerned individuals in particular to attend Bishop Fellay’s conferences and to consider carefully what he has to say.

    Whilst acknowledging the serious issues surrounding the Society’s negotiations with the Roman authorities, it is excessive and indeed offensive to claim ‘that the SSPX is now a sinking ship’ which is beyond repair. Far from abandoning the legacy of Archbishop Lefebvre, we need staunch clergy and faithful to help keep the Society faithful to its providential mission, for the glory of God and the salvation of souls.

    May the Blessed Virgin Mary, Queen of the Clergy, pray for us!

    Saint Pius X, pray for us!

     

    Father Paul Morgan

    District Superior

    Saint Augustine of Canterbury, 28th


    http://www.sspx.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=frontpage&Itemid=1
     

    Last Updated ( Tuesday, 28 May 2013 11:27 )


    Offline John Grace

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    Statement by Fr. Paul Morgan, District Superior,
    « Reply #1 on: May 28, 2013, 12:07:56 PM »
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  • Somebody has obviously had a word in the ear to Fr Morgan. Whilst certainly Fr Morgan is not the same man since the General Chapter, we all know what Bishop Fellay is going to say or won't say. The Irish recently got a dose of Fr N Pfluger, who introduced Dr Krah into the SSPX.

    Whilst a couple folk, pro-deal types were beguiled by Fr Pfluger, there was little interest in him.

    Many could equally be offended that  both Bishop Fellay and Fr Pfluger have betrayed the Archbishop.

    My question for Fr Pfluger would be as to why he introduced Dr Krah into the SSPX?


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    Statement by Fr. Paul Morgan, District Superior,
    « Reply #2 on: May 28, 2013, 12:15:04 PM »
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    ‘Fr Morgan and the Clergy of the British District,’ the open letter,


    I recall Fr Clifton penning a letter to Bishop Fellay. What was that all about?

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    Statement by Fr. Paul Morgan, District Superior,
    « Reply #3 on: May 28, 2013, 12:16:57 PM »
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  • With Fr N Pfluger, folk in Ireland got the "beware of the internet rumour" line in the sermon. Basically, the Menzingen propaganda machine.

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    Statement by Fr. Paul Morgan, District Superior,
    « Reply #4 on: May 28, 2013, 01:28:06 PM »
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    Thank you, LourdesFatima for posting the link to the source, for it was not
    entirely looking like the words of Fr. Morgan to me.  And as John Grace, above,
    points out, "certainly Fr Morgan is not the same man since the General Chapter."

    To begin with, is this the way any educated person addresses a letter to
    someone or something, with "quotation marks" around their name?

    Quote from: Lourdes Fatima, quoting SSPX/GB,

    "The Recusant"


    "The Recusant" presents itself ‘as an unofficial SSPX newsletter, fighting a guerrilla war for the soul of Tradition.’ This ‘guerrilla war’ is now coming out into the open in that a signed ‘Letter of Entreaty’ has appeared on its website which attacks the Society in no uncertain terms. Addressed to ‘Fr Morgan and the Clergy of the British District,’ the open letter, dated 21st May 2013, accuses the Society of having deviated from its essential mission of fidelity to Catholic Tradition and opposition to Modernism due to the betrayal of its liberal leadership!




    Perhaps "Fr. Morgan" could use a dictionary to look up the meaning of the
    word "entreaty" -- it is not an "attack" at all, but the pronouncement of an
    option to face reality, "Fr. Morgan," or, do you persist in your error of denial?



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    Ignoring the fact that there has not been a false deal with modernist Rome, and in spite of his public withdrawal in Ireland of the questionable April 2012 ‘Doctrinal Declaration,’ the dialectical letter pretends there is no option for us now but to show true leadership and to follow its proponents in seceding from the Society!




    The pot calls the kettle 'black' - the dialectical retort says the Letter of
    Entreaty is dialectical!  You can't make this stuff up!  HAHAHAHAHAHA

    And who, pray tell, is this "his" to whom you refer?  Another attempt at
    being vague?  Did you even bother to read the Letter of Entreaty?  -OR,
    (which is more likely) are you merely regurgitating that which you have
    been required to "swallow?"

    Because if you HAD read it, you might then be capable of recognizing the
    fact that 'WITHDRAWAL' of an announcement of what one believes - some
    FOUR MONTHS LATER (AFD on 4-15 to di Noia secret conversation of 8-28)
    does not make any sense to a THINKING person.  How does one retract that
    which he believes?

    Quote from: the Letter of Entreaty
    If one declares something, surely one declares it in public and not in secret? How can one have 'secret doctrine'? Furthermore, since it is a declaration of doctrine, i.e. Bishop Fellay's “Declaration of what I believe”, it is perfect nonsense for him to say that he has “withdrawn it” - in what meaningful sense can one possibly “withdraw” doctrine? If Bishop Fellay was prepared to believe those things recently, but claims to have “withdrawn” his secret docuмent now that it has come to light, then we can take it that he as good as believes them still today. Since he has been caught betraying the Society, it would be “optimistic” to the point of reckless irresponsibility simply to pretend to ourselves that he is one of us once again. Neither he nor any of his allies can be trusted, and we think that if you are honest with yourselves you must admit that.




    Quote from: Lourdes Fatima, quoting SSPX/GB,
    In recent months, such as in his last Letter to Friends and Benefactors and his recent conferences in Ireland, Bishop Fellay has clarified that he does not accept the legitimacy of the New Mass nor the errors of Vatican II nor the ‘hermeneutic of continuity’ which pretends to reconcile them with Tradition.




    Oh, Exuuuuse mmmeeee!  I got it all wrong!  How silly of me!  Here "he" is,
    parading around "his" excuse-generator, saying that "he has clarified" everything
    by saying the EXACT OPPOSITE of what "he" wrote in an OFFICIAL DOcuмENT
    that "he" was ever-so-diligent in HIDING FROM THE WORLD for an ENTIRE
    YEAR.  

    I'm so sorry.  How could I be so myopic?  Why would I just not be willing to
    abandon all common sense and lap-dog swallow the nonsense that this
    inveterate liar has most recently dished out?  

    Gee - if I can answer that one, I'll be sure to get right back to you.

    Hint:  "Don't hold your breath!"



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    With regard to the ‘Letter of Entreaty,’ Bishop Fellay has stated that "the paragraph which claims to prove everything, that is of 'my April (2012) declaration,' is wrong and false from the beginning to end; there is not one phrase which presents correctly what I have written…Poor people who are so misled by their mistrust." Hence, rather than boycotting the Superior General’s forthcoming visit, I would urge the concerned individuals in particular to attend Bishop Fellay’s conferences and to consider carefully what he has to say.




    This is the language of a GANG BANGER in Los Angeles.  This is not an abjuration
    of error.  "HE" is not coming clean.  "HE" is not acknowledging that "he" was
    wrong.  "HE" is not admitting to have been in error.  

    IT'S ALL SOMEONE ELSE'S FAULT.  IT'S THE FAULT OF WHAT THEY SAY
    ABOUT MY AFD!  YEAH. THAT'S THE TICKET!!  I DIDN'T DO IT --- THE
    LOUSY TYPEWRITER DID IT!



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    Whilst acknowledging the serious issues surrounding the Society’s negotiations with the Roman authorities, it is excessive and indeed offensive to claim ‘that the SSPX is now a sinking ship’ which is beyond repair.




    These are the same guys whose ancestors announced on the Titanic,
    "Everyone remain calm!  There is no problem!  Everything is under control."

    Only they left out one important word:  DAMAGE.  They should have said,
    "Everything is under damage control."



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    Far from abandoning the legacy of Archbishop Lefebvre, we need staunch clergy and faithful to help keep the Society faithful to its providential mission, for the glory of God and the salvation of souls.




    Uuuuhh.. no.. what we need is staunch clergy and a Superior General who will
    STOP LYING and REPENT, so as to keep the Society directed to its providential
    mission, for the glory of God and the salvation of souls.



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    May the Blessed Virgin Mary, Queen of the Clergy, pray for us!

    Saint Pius X, pray for us!

     


    Sancte Pie Decime, Glorioso Patrone

    O-ra, o-o-ra   pro   no-o-bis!




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    Father Paul Morgan

    District Superior

    Saint Augustine of Canterbury, 28th


    http://www.sspx.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=frontpage&Itemid=1
     

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    Offline John Grace

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    Statement by Fr. Paul Morgan, District Superior,
    « Reply #5 on: May 28, 2013, 02:02:19 PM »
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  • Dr Krah would only be delighted to see Fr Morgan expelled from the SSPX. Fr Morgan is around much longer than Dr Krah.

    I don't expect Dr Krah to agree but it is Fr N Pfluger, who has betrayed the Archbishop and not Fr Morgan. Fr Morgan like Bishop Williamson has remained faithful to the heritage of the Archbishop.



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    Statement by Fr. Paul Morgan, District Superior,
    « Reply #6 on: May 28, 2013, 02:16:14 PM »
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  • I was speaking to a few people today at a demonstration for turf-cutters and people were speaking well of Fr Morgan. Whilst not a popularity contest they prefer him to Fr Angles. Sorry Fr Angles!!!

    I still believe Fr Morgan is one of the better SSPX priests.

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    Statement by Fr. Paul Morgan, District Superior,
    « Reply #7 on: May 28, 2013, 02:20:29 PM »
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  • Quote from: Lourdes Fatima

     Far from abandoning the legacy of Archbishop Lefebvre, we need staunch clergy and faithful to help keep the Society faithful to its providential mission, for the glory of God and the salvation of souls.


    Yes, yes, yes Fr.....

    ......but, this "staunch clergy" is within the Resistance no?.....out on the streets....


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    Statement by Fr. Paul Morgan, District Superior,
    « Reply #8 on: May 28, 2013, 05:09:19 PM »
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  • Fr. Morgan suggests that the grounds for sticking with the Society seem to be the 'non-agreement with Rome' and not in any great confidence in its leadership. Staunch and faithful (to what?) priests would need more than this and would not thrive in a church of ambiguity and muddle. And the legacy of ABL is not necessarily to be found in a Society of the future. Father is therefore doing his bit to stifle the alternative SSPX whose reply must now be to oppose Father.

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    Statement by Fr. Paul Morgan, District Superior,
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    Fr. Morgan suggests that the grounds for sticking with the Society seem to be the 'non-agreement with Rome' and not in any great confidence in its leadership. Staunch and faithful (to what?) priests would need more than this and would not thrive in a church of ambiguity and muddle. And the legacy of ABL is not necessarily to be found in a Society of the future. Father is therefore doing his bit to stifle the alternative SSPX whose reply must now be to oppose Father.



    "Where are the Maccabees ?"

    +ABL's reflection and comment after having some time to contemplate
    the Church crisis during an illness.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Statement by Fr. Paul Morgan, District Superior,
    « Reply #10 on: May 28, 2013, 06:33:46 PM »
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  • The concessions of the doctrinal preamble are confirmed by the other things Bishop Fellay said.

    For example, in the CNS interview in which he speaks of "limited liberty" in the Council, and that things that were condemned in the Council were not of the Council but of an interpretation.

    The denials are pitiful.


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    Statement by Fr. Paul Morgan, District Superior,
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  • Quote from: Telesphorus
    The concessions of the doctrinal preamble are confirmed by the other things Bishop Fellay said.

    For example, in the CNS interview in which he speaks of "limited liberty" in the Council, and that things that were condemned in the Council were not of the Council but of an interpretation.

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    Yep.

    Fr. Morgan has fallen victim to Bishop Williamson's observation that "Those who do not act the way they think, end up thinking the way they act."

    Enough time spent in the same environment will eliminate even the silent resistance of others who would otherwise follow Bishop WIlliamson if he would start another order.

    First anonymity, then silence, and finally complicity.

    We might get 1-2 more priests (and no seminarians), but then it is all done.

    With no seminarians to ordain, it will not be necessary for Bishop Williamson to offer to ordain any.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Statement by Fr. Paul Morgan, District Superior,
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    The concessions of the doctrinal preamble are confirmed by the other things Bishop Fellay said.

    For example, in the CNS interview in which he speaks of "limited liberty" in the Council, and that things that were condemned in the Council were not of the Council but of an interpretation.

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    The denials are pitiful
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    Yep.

    Fr. Morgan has fallen victim to Bishop Williamson's observation that "Those who do not act the way they think, end up thinking the way they act."

    Enough time spent in the same environment will eliminate even the silent resistance of others who would otherwise follow Bishop WIlliamson if he would start another order.

    First anonymity, then silence, and finally complicity.

    We might get 1-2 more priests (and no seminarians), but then it is all done.

    With no seminarians to ordain, it will not be necessary for Bishop Williamson to offer to ordain any.

    This is a very depressing projection for the future of the resistance, Sean. Have you thrown in the towel?  :sad:

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    Statement by Fr. Paul Morgan, District Superior,
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    The concessions of the doctrinal preamble are confirmed by the other things Bishop Fellay said.

    For example, in the CNS interview in which he speaks of "limited liberty" in the Council, and that things that were condemned in the Council were not of the Council but of an interpretation.

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    The denials are pitiful
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    Yep.

    Fr. Morgan has fallen victim to Bishop Williamson's observation that "Those who do not act the way they think, end up thinking the way they act."

    Enough time spent in the same environment will eliminate even the silent resistance of others who would otherwise follow Bishop WIlliamson if he would start another order.

    First anonymity, then silence, and finally complicity.

    We might get 1-2 more priests (and no seminarians), but then it is all done.

    With no seminarians to ordain, it will not be necessary for Bishop Williamson to offer to ordain any.

    This is a very depressing projection for the future of the resistance, Sean. Have you thrown in the towel?  :sad:


    That will be the day!

    I just talk to a lot of people and priests (see other thread).

    On the one hand, the time of grace is passing.

    On the other, they will not leave to become independents without hierarchy and community.

    Such was not their vocation.

    But neither was the religious life.

    Therefore, they will simply do the best they can with the hand they are dealt, if there is no religious order offering an alternative with a bishop.

    Fr. Morgan is a good example of this mindset, I suspect.


    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Statement by Fr. Paul Morgan, District Superior,
    « Reply #14 on: May 28, 2013, 11:21:50 PM »
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  • Might I ask --

    What priest DOES have a vocation to be an "independent"?

    It is intrinsic to the priesthood itself to be a "helper to a bishop".

    A "helper to a bishop" without a bishop to report to is a "monster" of sorts -- something severely unnatural.


    I appreciate these priests' deep consideration of the matter, and personal reluctance to do anything rash, but they should recall that:

    A) they already are doing something abnormal -- operating outside the normal Diocesan/Roman Church structures by working as Traditional priests.

    B) Sometimes in a emergency, you do what you have to do -- regardless of how you "feel" about it, or how great it sounds.
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