"the Republic proposes a brother mason, the pope proposes a saint and one agrees on an imbecile." Now, it’s the contrary, that. It could even be the contrary. That is to say that the Republic proposes a saint, it would be Leon who proposes a Freemason. Yeah, that's it. There. Or or all the letters of the alphabet. Yeah. And one agrees on an imbecile of course. In the end. In the end, it’s—So Leon is smooth, he is polite, he is kind, he controls his temperament. Yeah, he is he is nice. He is a Pope Trump, he was er he is an American. We see that it’s the services and it’s interesting because they are a bit the voice of their master. We see very well that Benedict XVI was Bush. Yes. Conservative. Then Obama put Francis on us. They have—that is—Yes, we think that it’s—now we have—now we have indeed there, so there is truly a hand of the services. What is amusing is that J.D. Vance went to see Francis and within 24 hours Francis was dead. Dead. Yes. So, some say it’s the eyes of J.D. Vance, the black eyes of J.D. which shot Francis. And yet J.D., he said to Francis "Ah, I am so happy to see you in good health and that you are doing well and that you are going to stay among us" and within 24 hours, he is dead on Easter Monday. It’s—it's quite spectacular. And so there for Leon we have a pontificate which effectively there is—is those post-nominations atrocious abominable. There. And there, he maintained all the Fernandez, he maintained all the horrors that are in the Roman Curia at this moment. Yes. Yes. Yes. Well, we see that so there is no—So Rome has lost the faith. Er, as Leo XIII says, where God established the See of Peter to illuminate all the peoples of the earth, it is there that Satan established the throne of his of his abomination, of his abominable iniquity. So these are the words of Leo XIII, the great exorcism of Leo XIII. Yeah. Which is in the Blue Book er which I think is nonetheless in—No no this passage there, it was removed obviously. Yes, bizarrely. They—they removed the exorcism or they removed the passage? The passage, they—they—Blue, you never have this part of the exorcism. So if you want to recite the exorcism, don't take a—go download a paper on the internet. But you don't—Ah yes yes yes I have—I will have to check the English version—well the English version antecedent of Abbé—had the Divine Mercy. And then perhaps in English but—I didn't know they had done that—so er that—so that is very underhanded—well purely very underhanded. Yes because there we are dealing nonetheless with a—it’s almost an infallible docuмent, this text of Leo Leo XIII. Yes. Yes. Where Satan—where God established the chair of Peter to illuminate all the peoples of the earth, it is there that Satan decided to erect the throne of his abominable iniquity. It’s a—it’s an exorcism prophetic besides because in fact it it is necessary to recite this exorcism so that we can have a pope. In a certain way. There. The goal is to dethrone the throne that Satan established. Yes. There. Yeah.


So there, we passed from sedevacantists but we say that the See is occupied, the church is occupied. Ponpon—Ponpon had done a a book on that, it was a a classic eh? The church is effectively occupied as as said the the Papling. It’s what Saint Pius X warned us—he warned us well and it’s it’s through there the Haute Vente all that. But it’s an infiltration in fact. That's it. Anyway, it’s like that. The the the problem is that, it’s that they succeed in maintaining themselves. It’s like—well we cannot give to the the anti-Catholic Republics of Germany, of France and of of Holland—the Rhine. We cannot give to those countries the right to nominate bishops or to intervene really heavily on the nominations without having a Vatican II Council since er we leave them access to the posts of governance of the of the church well before the Council. So that—that could not work er it was it was a foregone conclusion. So there, the situation at the head at the head. So it’s as rotten as before. Er Leon is a radical, so he is—Ratzinger was very fine, a perfect modernist er remarkable—and it passed well. Er while on the theological plane, Leon is atrocious, he did another Assisi recently in Lebanon. He gathered all the religions er within 10 days of his election, he did an Assisi 4 at the Vatican itself by congratulating all the religions of the earth. "Continue what you are doing, you are doing a work truly extraordinary." So it’s the religion of the Antichrist. So it’s the apostasy Nostra Aetate, eh? They also have the anniversary of Nostra Aetate that everyone must read. It’s only six pages. Ah like that, after that once you have read the six pages and everything is very clear in Nostra Aetate, you can say "I have read the Vatican II Council." Yes, it’s the clearest docuмent. If the sound is good. So er Yes, it’s good, eh? You hear? I hope you hear very well. There. Yeah. So he did an Assisi an Assisi recently in Lebanon. So he repeats—so he insists on that. Well he is sometimes ridiculous, he blesses the ice and all that and then er everyone stood up against him when he stood up against Our Lady against er the title of Mediatrix by means of—Anyway he signed the docuмent—anyway he he approved the docuмent—he approved the docuмent all that and it’s not—he didn't do a backtrack. No no no, there was no—no nothing nothing nothing while there was nonetheless many reactions. Yes, enormous reactions in all of tradition. Everyone reacted reacted.


So so first the "ralliés" (joined-ones)—so a small word on the ralliés there in Asia, it's that effectively in Asia they have difficulties, not easy. In Korea we see the IBP, the Society of Saint Peter and all that sends a priest once a year. Ah yes, some for holidays, they ask permission of the local bishops. They don't have the—they don't truly have the permissions. There are places, they succeed in squeezing out a permission. Yeah. There was an incident this year after the Society of Saint Peter went to say mass at Daegu. He says his mass. At the end of mass, the priest—the parish priest takes the microphone and says "This mass is forbidden. I did not give permission for this image. I—I got fooled by this priest. You erase all the images you have on your computers. You put nothing on social networks." He was afraid. He was afraid and he told them "You erase everything. I don't want trouble. Er this mass is forbidden. It—this mass divides the church." Yeah. At the at the end of mass, he was furious. Ah furious and er and so that’s how it went. It’s glacial what. And so they have a terrible time, the Ecclesia Dei. Me, they even make me feel pity. And so and suddenly I’m in in good terms with them and I am happy to help them. Just as during Covid we had a bunch of refugees who came and who finally or er stayed with us. So they see—so those who desire to be "ralliés" in Korea think rather of the resistance because even the Society of Saint Pius X doesn't want to go take care of those groups while they could they could. They tell them "No, we have a—they have a chapel with between 50—they are faithful at at Seoul," they say "No, you come to Seoul" and all that, a little center a bit null in the Southwest but nothing, the Society doesn't do much. While the ralliés are crushed, so there are two priests er in Latin in Korea but it’s—they must be bi-ritualists. They are outside urban centers. Er they are inspected regularly. Their groups must be of elderly people in small numbers. Yeah. So and they must not cause waves and they must participate in the—mass and then all the other sacraments their theology must be imbued with Vatican II eh? So yes, they cannot develop—it won't take off. But then on the other hand, that's it, you say when er there are masses nonetheless in in the Philippines but it’s always er bi-ritualist priests and all that. Er so what is the attitude—that's it? Of Rome, one could say, regarding the ralliés there. What—And well when when the ralliés are in a position of weakness, yeah, both in Asia as in er in France, there he breaks, there he strikes as hard as possible or but when the ralliés have a certain mass or are unavoidable, Rome composes with them, eh, yeah. Er they seek to kill the weakest, to erode the strongest, they compose with the strongest. So we see that the superior of the Society of Saint Peter, the superior of Bishop—the Institute—and certainly the institution of my pastor are received in Rome and the—Leon said to the superior of Saint Peter to continue with his charism. There, the charism of the mass. There. And so it’s—it’s also how Leon offers to the Society—an arrival. So er if the Society—what are you doing there where there are massacres there here and there the Franciscans of the Immaculate—well no, we have very good relations with—do like the Society of Saint Peter, do like the Institute of the Good Shepherd with which you get along well anyway, do like them you will see you will be well received there. So that’s er—strong with the weak and weak with the strong, there. Composing with the strong, there. A graduated approach with the strong. There, that's it. But with the goal anyway, anyway of progressively of continuing to to control them in controlling them. In fact, it’s like that. This strength with the weak makes certain ralliés join the resistance. They are so stunned by the progressive church and rejected, condemned that they no—they have nothing but Gideon's army, the Patchwork army, the losers. There, there is only that, that's it eh? Which isn't cheering for them, poor things, no?


And the Society then that I think there, we’ve already a bit talked about it but there, we’re going to a bit er—so we wanted to try to define it a bit. So, we said yes, she is in—I said the Society of Saint Pius X is neutralized. You said you, she is in a jar. So, we concluded "neutralized in a jar." Yes, it’s a beautiful plant. There, it’s er she is in an institutional surplus. So regarding the current combat, it’s too voluminous. It lends too much of a flank. 700 priests. Yeah, that's it. There. I don't know if they have many seminarians. There are many who enter and very few who leave. Finally, a bit. Many losses in fact. Many losses. Well we, we have the same problems also so we cannot boast either. Neither. If we were so prosperous. Would we be so firm? There, there would be plenty of reasons to compose. Yes. If we had a large school, if we had responsibilities with a whole bunch of families, of parents of students, that—trying to educate their children, would we have the same strength? No, because effectively the more we are numerous and the more we are big as you say, and well the more we also must lend the flank to a system which is revolutionary. In fact, one must well recall that, we are nonetheless in a revolutionary context. In a in a revolutionary context, well one exposes oneself. If one exposes oneself too much, well one gets seen. Yeah. So one can say in a certain way the resistance compared to the Society chooses the option of of the the division of the small number—of the division. That is to say one profits from—well we would have wished not to have all these internal struggles. Yes. Yes. And these separations which are all relative anyway because we have we have the the position—identical positions in the end. No Vatican II, no new mass and no none of the reforms of Vatican II. There, that's it. But our divisions profit us, prevent us precisely from having this problem. Yeah. Yes. Me, I don't see even putting myself in the place of the Society, if I found myself superior caliph in place of the caliph, yeah, I wouldn't know how to manage. It would be necessary to leave the "culturelle" (cultural association), it would be necessary to fraction all the properties. It would be necessary to make authentically independent deaneries, almost autonomous independent priories. It would be necessary to bring down all the bureaucracy of Menzingen and of Zurich—the Suresnes fund and the all that—it would be necessary. Oh yes yes. And that—that’s it—it’s their big problem in fact. And so it’s flourishing as you say eh it’s—well they have a financial muscle. We see the—their grip is is colossal. It’s colossal, it’s 15 million euros I believe. So the land 9 million plus the repairs 6 million something in the ballpark of 15 million in the game. I think they have so much collateral, they can have er loans at very low rates besides. Yeah. There. So it’s big business, it runs. Their church Kansas City cost them very very dear. I believe that 50 million dollars, 70 million or the seminary of Dillwyn also cost them very dear. It’s an er enormous an enormous financial investment. It’s nonetheless more beautiful at Saint Mary's what they did er than what they did at the seminary of Dillwyn which is a bit poorly placed. But I believe they wanted to wash their hands of the Williamson era of Winona, the dragon of Winona, the dinosaur of Winona. The Williamson page then they could have simply made a small extension of existing buildings which were very beautiful and it was very central. where it was very central compared only to the United States and Canada. It was truly the center of gravity of the whole Canada-United States, eh, of the the English-speaking North America. Er and they abandoned that. They put themselves far from the airport of on the coast. It’s er—And then it looks like a prison, their thing. It’s—there, even if it’s nonetheless quite polished, a bit glacial, with a bit glacial, but it’s good, it’s nonetheless quite polished and fancy eh? It’s er—So there. Would we would we do better in their in their place? I don't know. They are exposed, they lend the flank what. Er yes, despite everything, despite the danger, many families are forced to profit from the Society. That I repeat, I repeat myself a bit. Yes. Yes. They—we see our faithful tell us "I put them where, the children?" Er—so in the absolute, it would be necessary for the Society and chiefs with a "poigne" (iron fist) eh? There. So that—I was a little bit divided on this your position. I I—there must be chiefs with an iron fist, there must be that there must be people at all—at all levels, there must be that people be virtuous in fact, that people be—a chief I would say a chief who has an iron fist with er with slaves underneath. No, that doesn't work. Yes, it was the problem of the Sikhs that had a city—the psychism, it’s a defensive religion. And a moment the guru Nanak got annoyed. "Every time you betray us, we get executed. Now everyone is going to stand up as one man. The next time the Muslims persecute us. There." And they stood up as one man and one respects them. When Indira Gandhi sent the tanks to the Golden Temple, she signed her death warrant. She was αssαssιnαtҽd by her Sikh guards a few months later. Yes, because there, there is a cohesion, there is a cohesion at all levels, eh. So I think that's it, we always said we wouldn't have had—you see even a—during the last war, a Marshal Pétain if there hadn't been in France people people of the gearboxes. You see—well he—it’s the only genocide that talks about that in the the Bolshevik revolution—he says "well the Tsar fell because there was a failure at all levels of the—" there is a passage that much marked me in the Gulag Archipelago—it’s a guy who gets arrested in an escalator and "if at least he had opened his mouth and and protested"—and there no one, nothing—everyone sat—everyone sat. Yeah, it’s what what we saw in 2012 you see. There and and this weakness, yes effectively.


We saw it in the sermon of Abbé—which so it’s a pious sermon eh where everything is said which is pious to say when one is in Rome. But do the parallel with the sermon of Archbishop Lefebvre during this same jubilee 50 years earlier. Yeah well it’s night and day. There, it has no—So Archbishop Lefebvre used the occasion to attack the problem, to try to to point to the cause of evil and to help and to move the "schmilblick" (thingy) forward. While the Spider there, we are dealing with a pious sermon and all that and then many people were terrified by the fact that the collection was made by credit card with machines by credit card. Oh yes, I didn't know. That—that’s a first, that. Yes. In a in a pilgrimage of tradition. Tradition—in tracing and all that. Yes yes yes. There. So in fact yes we we were talking about this a bit like the Neuschwanstein Castle in Bavaria. A beautiful castle. It’s a beautiful castle. It’s a beautiful castle. Er there. It’s a beautiful plant. It’s something anyway magnificent. It’s anyway the work of Archbishop Lefebvre. All the generosity of people from the time of Archbishop Lefebvre—the people who made gifts, who established all that. We ourselves when we were there, we went at 100%. We profited from it too, "Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's." Er but effectively, we see that well as a result, we have non-motivated profiteers who profit from—we have BCBG families. Yes, quite Catholic nonetheless. Yes, yes, yes, there are nonetheless people who who keep the Catholic faith but not ready to fight. I think that the—we will see precisely when there is an exposure to a crisis and well we see that it’s—one doesn't want to go beyond crossing the Rubicon eh? And then er yes. Well it’s that. We were talking about this question now of the compared to the current French political system, the Republic, we see clearly that there is a servilism. There, it’s er—so I learned—Power and Truth. So do we—the power they have? Can they say the truth? Do they have the—Do they have the power to stand up against the power that regents them, which protects them? Well yes, I tell you the the story of Covid was very revealing, very very revealing. There was no—the official position was a er—finally it was a position very very very—Abbé—did a conference in English so that didn't have an impact in French but he said he said in the conference that "the argument of the anti-vaxxers is the same as the pro-abortionists. My body is mine." Yeah er while it's yes it's—minimizing the the reason for our opposition to the to the vaccine. No, it’s not that. It’s—No no it’s not honest, not honest. So I recall that for the vaccine, we rose up against the vaccine. So our YouTube accounts were closed at the time. Er I had—Yes, I have er things—empty. So me, I—the channel didn't jump, it’s still there. The proof eh is that we are filmed. It’s that but on the other hand certain videos were were er struck like you say struck—three reasons for the vaccine. So it’s communism. Yes. Er it’s contrary to the 5th commandment of God. "Thou shalt not kill." Er "Thou shalt not kill." And it’s—there is a link with abortion with manipulations and then there are reasons I would say more yes that’s it political even it’s a will to enslave communism—I called that communism—well there we had to do with 2 years of "communism of the rich," communism Big Ag—well it was a communism also—it was especially a test—it was a test to see the docility of people compared to the globalist system for that we are in the dress rehearsal. Yes. So they verified that humanity is indeed ready for the Antichrist. Yes. There. It’s a first—anyway a a tasting—a conditioning—as banks do stress tests. There. There. We did a test and the result is conclusive. Yes, that that worked well at least in Western countries. It worked less in Africa and no the Africans are more free. But there.


So we arrive precisely at this question—well who are by the ministry of cults, the insurances. There. And then the question now of the consecrations. The consecrations eh that’s the question of the consecrations which now er poses itself for the Society. Er so there, we were saying in France, there, they say "no, don't worry, things will be done. Er it’s good." What is the margin of maneuver compared to the age of Bishop Fellay, Galareta? Er Bishop Fellay—Yeah. Galareta was a bit older. A bit older effectively. Who and well they have an enormous amount of work, they spin around with their planes. Ah, they—they no longer manage—now for the confirmations, I see in in Brest all that, they had to cancel confirmations. There was even a confirmation that was canceled because My Lord had a malaise. Ah yes, so that's it. More—Yes, yes, several there—don't manage anymore. So effectively the question poses itself now of for as time goes by, well they are going to be more and more tired er and then perhaps the plane makes one age a bit more. Yes, the travels tire eh? Me, I find that tiring. Yes. Yes. You know something about it. I think something of it. [Laughter] So er it’s in France if you want. Well they are going to arrive there—68 years. So in 10 years they will be 10 years older—78 years. Yeah. Or er there. And then there is always the probability that one of the two or er kicks the bucket. In my opinion the last who especially between us if they are vaccinated. They are vaccinated apparently—so in my opinion the last who will be—it will be Bishop Fellay. Well there, he will certainly take a lot of convincing to consecrate. Oh yes, and yes especially since now they accept the principle of welcoming—well it’s the principle of Bishop Fellay, they accept—therefore one can collaborate with—he said it he said it again recently so there is no reason—well there is no reason to force things, there is no reason to do consecrations if one allows us to consecrate we will know otherwise we will have the bishops at disposal—there, that's it, we will have a Schneider, we will have a er—I don't know who—anyway there are always others eh of—they can be created from scratch because Wonder [Vitus Huonder] at the start is an arch-modernist, it’s a—he is completely—Yes, but he entered into the mold, he er of—mutating—not completely but finally—part for he accepted to no longer celebrate the progressive mass openly. Yeah, he continued to celebrate it privately or when he visited Rome, I imagine, or er concelebrated on certain occasions mass for—but he was very—on this subject I think. Yes. Er yeah. So Schneider, us, he visited the Philippines. Well was received very well by the priory of Manila or well the priests of the priory of Mary all went to admire him in a in a dinner. And one saw well Schneider the the Monday traditional mass because he was at—and once he arrives at Sebu, progressive mass of good standing eh? Yes, yes, yes—perfect. There. And like like Leon—he says er "you you can have a mass that holds up very well, a new mass, add as much Latin and all that. Well, the hamburger doesn't have a steak but put in salad, onions, the sauce, add some, make a burger very thick but without—but no steak." There, that's it. So an an a vegetarian burger. Yeah. And so that’s it, they are at the end of—to return to a consecration. Er they will be in a a challenge eh compared to a challenge compared to the current world, compared to—because the the demon holds much to the fact that the cadres of the Catholic Church be er at his beck and call. Yes, and it’s on that that he fought for centuries. Er it goes back even to the—investitures eh. There is the problem of Constantine who converts but who sets about naming the bishops and who will fill the Catholic Church—he and his sons of bishop—of nothing. So it’s a it’s a problem that the church has known since the end of persecution. In fact, the three centuries of persecution allowed the church to to triumph because the church always kept with her the freedom—the freedom to name its chiefs. It’s more—and that asks in fact when one sees the work—what Archbishop Lefebvre in '88 and Bishop—then in er consecrating—a great strength of of and of freedom. Yes yes, I think that the church of the end of times precisely will have settled this problem. So we will return to an era of persecution under the Antichrist and all that and the church will be capable of facing the Antichrist because she she will furnish herself with her chiefs. Yes. Er she so she she will find again the same strength she had at her origins. Yeah, that's it. When one sees besides all the popes—the first of the first—all went—in fact eh? Yes yes. They had a great freedom compared to the temporal power. There. And even in the Middle Ages, we see very well in the Middle Ages, the good popes were always very badly treated, very persecuted, dying in exile or getting slaughtered etc. They took slaps. So the the popes were very mistreated, they suffered enormously. There was a chaos also monstrous with the Great Schism and all that. Well, we will talk again a bit about all that, but there, the question of the bishops isn't settled at all. No. So I think it’s necessary a bit that people be conscious of this reality. It shouldn't be that they blind themselves what to this.


And finally the third group of tradition is well obviously the sedevacantists. Yes. Well there isn't much in France eh? Here and there there are certain sedevacantists—quiet in France. Yes. Er as long as the priests or the—sedevacantists calm down well there is no problem in general. Yeah. Archbishop Lefebvre had tolerated non- priests at the time and all that. As long as they didn't make a case of it. As long as they in fact didn't—as long as one didn't make a religion of it, as long as one didn't—There. So er we wish them good courage. They are very divided. Er—fighting over the question of the Cassiciacuм there in France. Different theses—the different theses. And then the different lines—lines too. And then I discovered that you told me that's it there is so the Thuc line that we know well, Mendez line—and Mendez line there and then another line at Costa de—which is in South America er there are different—okay—different lineages—and so suddenly it creates divisions and now there are bene-vacantists, there are—vacantists—Yeah there is Bishop Ward who was ordained consecrated er with—recently in Africa. Er—Ward—is Ward sedevacantist? I don't know, perhaps he has our position. Rome jumped with the the consecration of Bishop Ward. Yes, I saw that. So, I don't know if Ward is sedevacantist or what position he holds. In any case, good for him, I wish him good courage down there at the far end of Africa. So sedevacantists. Well, there isn't much to say for what is Europe. No no no, I don't think so because there are certain er sedevacantist priests are nonetheless quite serious. Er and who have us who have picked up quite a few faithful in Paris and certain other places. Well they profited eh, I think, from the Bergoglio era. It’s certain that for the position of the Society very weak and all that in my opinion pushed many faithful to go to them. Then a reaction—a reaction skin-deep—on "Well you beat my mother so you aren't my father." There. Passionate what in fact a bit and the question—a simplistic resolution of the of the question of the heretical pope. Yes or but the resistance isn't sedevacantist. I wrote a—against—Ah well yes you are well placed for also talked about it a lot. There. And my main point is that there is no theological consent on the question of the heretical pope. It’s an extremely difficult question which has never been resolved er which was—debated in between theologians but on a purely theoretical plane. And then there, it’s not simply a pope who becomes heretical, there it’s all the system, all the Roman Curia, the college of cardinals who were heretical. Yeah. Yeah. So that poses a problem because it’s our problem or and it’s a Pandora's box—sedevacantist—disconnected—vacantist. It’s a bit like Luther said "I got rid of the pope, now I am surrounded, there are popes everywhere around me." There, because how do we resolve that? What do we do after? What happens after? There, that's it in fact eh? It’s all well and good to pose the these things but after there are consequences eh? There. While we demand by divine right all that the the scripture, tradition asks of us, it’s to separate from the heretics—from the heretic. There, it’s our duty on our side not to not to collaborate. There, the the faithful plugged their ears at Nestorius, they left the cathedral and they waited then to see that he was er Yeah, that's it. thrown out, eh? There.


So there for the 3rd part and we arrive. So well anyway we are going to finish nonetheless by a note er optimistic, eh? Not optimistic, it’s a way of speaking. There. Er what outcome and how er things are going to er so in theory, we are well agreed, God is not bound to help us. There. So er it’s a grace. So it’s true that the fall—when one falls into sin, God is not bound to—one can there—to pull us out of sin. It’s a mercy. There. Because we have already ignored the grace. Already the fall, the sin is a a resistance to grace and we are truly too null. We are truly null all this time that we are. Er yeah, I hope that the the resistance—I hope that we said it sufficiently. Er we we don't pretend to a moral height compared to other Catholics. No, I don't think that we—I think we have the chance to see things as they are. There, I think to have a look but on the moral plane er I hope that people understand that we don't seek to establish a superiority, a pharisaism. There, that's it. Compared to other Catholics. We don't have the label. There, I am that because I am er resistant. Personally, I like—I don't like the term fidelity. Fidelity because me, I am faithful. Yes. So, one can always discuss. It’s a bit—always discuss. What I like in resistance, it’s not—the resistance. It’s not serious, it’s but—the resistance. There. And then the term resistance, it’s a leftist connotation. Yeah. There. It’s hackneyed, everyone uses it—Mediapart, the leftists and all that—everyone presents the—realist. That that doesn't amount to much, the term resistance and I believe that it expresses—so we don't want to pretend, we are a thing, we are an electrical resistance, we are a fuse or nothing nothing truly special. Yeah. So that’s what I will insist on, it’s that we aren't the—we aren't the best. Er but we are in the truth. We hope—there, we hope that we are nonetheless lucid. Lucid. There. That is to say the pope is heretical, it’s not going at all. Yeah. His er nominations are atrocious. Yeah. He doesn't stop doing doing er religions of mixing religions. Er the the all the posts are garnished with with masonic rascals. We are dealing with the religion of the Antichrist clearly and they are aligned with the agenda. We want—in fact we don't want it. We don't want it. We have nothing to do with that. It’s the declaration of '74. That's it. The declaration of '74 is worth to the letter what it is worth. We have nothing to do—we don't want anything—anything to do with all these. There. We continue to denounce, to expose all the catastrophes that occur in the progressive church. So we want the death of the progressive church. We want the prohibition of the new mass, that it be condemned and forbidden as the mass of Luther. Yes yes eh? It is not legitimate—it is not legitimate. It is not legitimately—as said my declaration of 2012. No no that one cannot say that it is legitimate. The canon law in its ensemble and Archbishop Lefebvre confirms it too—is bad—bad in its in its ensemble and in a multitude of its details is very bad, extremely bad and pernicious. Even the penal procedure, we discovered that with your trial, even the penal procedure toward er guilty priests was flawed. Yes. Yes. Er so it’s a law that is to be thrown into the fire, eh? Even if there are certain sometimes practical adjustments that correspond to a jurisprudence that predates the council itself which can be retained by—like the degrees of consanguinity and all that. But there, those are only little isolated nuggets eh? But er so we reject the new code and of course, we reject the Vatican II Council which is a which is a robbery. There. In fact, er it will be necessary to finish the Vatican I Council. Yeah. By by by condemning the Vatican II Council as a conciliabule. Yeah. and then er finish the the decrees that are missing on the question of the bishops—by—on the question of the bishops on all the questions not resolved by the Vatican I Council and also by using the preparatory schemas which were very good of the Vatican II Council er reestablish justice at that level—plus other adjustments er liturgical—or and so there that's it so the resistance it's it's that it's more a resistance to what happened after the council there. The council—There, we a continuation of the combat of Archbishop Lefebvre and and that well it’s certain that as you say eh the recovery is a it’s a grace. There. If God—we know otherwise if God decided er to help us to pull us from the rut it would be in honor of Mary only in my opinion. Yes because we live—we live a Marian era in fact it’s the—the mercy of God passes through Mary and it’s she who there all lost who—it’s she who intervenes for us us—she herself she is sorry for what happens to us. Yes, imagine she must—she cries—the statues cried in—there are no more statues that have cried at the current time. Yes, precisely La Salette, I I related a fact quite last year there in er happened the er in the surroundings of December there, we saw the the Virgin in tears at the moment where there was a a lacrimation—a lacrimation. So it’s good, it’s not absolutely—anyway it it can be discussed but there is nonetheless something a bit troubling in this event which which happened at the same moment as the the events of Paris, our finally the scandalous inauguration of our—Paris at the same moment. And as we know eh Paris will be burned so we tell ourselves "tiens" (look) it’s how she—La Salette—she said it so we tell ourselves "tiens" yes so there so the Blessed Virgin leans over our misery, she cries over our misery, that is for sure and the demon himself feels that there is something that comes from the side of the Blessed Virgin since Leon thought it good to sign the the—navigation or why why do a docuмent on that question there? Perhaps the devil—there and besides that was a reaction there is a reaction the people—good Catholics said "no, we see that in the Gospel when" the demons interrogate our Lord. "What are you doing there? You are there for you—us—why do you come to destroy our—you are a bit in advance there." It’s "what is happening?" Yeah. Yeah. So the demons interrogated and our Lord told them to be quiet. There.


 So there, we—the honor. I see—I see no other reason because she is an order unique in creation. So it’s er something, she is a creature of course. But then for the moment we assist effectively at a tumble in steps. It’s what we said earlier. It goes down, it goes down, it goes down. "Dégringolus" as you say—"dégringolons." Everything is lost—everything is lost and so so there will be an electroshock and then a derisory vector, Joan of Arc style. There, something very simple in fact, small. Me, I don't think something of—So so how will it happen? Well we can imagine scenarios. Yes. So there is nothing dogmatic in all we say there. No no there—so a collapse, a catastrophe—er doesn't happen—yeah er according to what we privatized, that is to say there is going to be a continuation of the collapse so Europe is going to almost harden in the in the madness, to plunge into the chaos more and more advanced. There, that I think we shouldn't delude ourselves. Er there, but 10 years of—from here to 10 years where will Europe be? And well everything will be—there will have been an inflation certainly. Yes. In evil and a impoverishment—a impoverishment of people. Yes. Oh yes. At the material level or something difficult to live—demographics that continue—all the demographic numbers—all the numbers or er and then well the vandalism, the chaos that installs itself more and more. There, a sort of demoralization or the desertification. We see the the countrysides are desert. So the—it’s going to continue to desertify. There. And so there will be a triggering event and this trigger will pass necessarily by Rome eh because so Our Lady at Fatima er predicted that—anyway Russia would convert, okay? Because she would be consecrated by a pope—a pope. But so for the pope to do this consecration and for there to then be this event, well it’s necessary for the pope to do it seriously. Oh well yeah who who understands that there is a problem what and in conformity with the demand—which in conformity with the demand—so because the Francis did nothing serious. In fact so there are certain spots that think that the consecration was even in our circles eh? I have a colleague in the resistance who says "be it—what was necessary it’s good." Er yeah er there but I asked an expert on the question eh who doesn't like the Papling much er and all that—said "No, it must be the pope and the bishops because there what we had with Francis, he—a paper and all that all alone." There, there were a few bishops nonetheless with him, but he didn't do a ceremony in union with the bishops. A sort of of—we talked about it eh of—Council. A sort of Council truly to—in a the action of of the consecration of Russia. It’s not it’s not a consecration of the pope. We think always that the pope must—No no, it’s the pope who consecrates with the bishops. Yeah. Just as we saw at the national level when national bishops consecrated their country. Yeah. Yeah. And well, they were preserved from communism. Oh well yeah. Er so the er the bishops have an important role to play in this consecration, eh? Just as we see at the local level, what we see men in hell, it’s the bad bishops, eh? It’s they who organize on the local plane—ation of of their their flock—of their flock. There. Because they have the responsibility. Er so it’s the pope and the bishops, it’s not what happened, eh? Yeah. And it’s Russia only, not—Russia, not Ukraine and and not peace in the world eh? It’s it’s it’s the conversion, we had said eh, conversion of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. So we talk about conversion, that is to say conversion, that it is not converted, that implies the resolution of the Byzantine schism. There. In—before all things or and then the the conversion of of the Russian population. So, it’s certain that it asks—one on one side er a moral conversion of the Russian population. And well yes, necessarily and then a a return of of of the Russians nonetheless to Romanity, finally Romanness and also to Christian morals. There. But for the Russians to recognize Rome today, we—it’s necessary for Rome to change. It’s—we don't see—we don't see the Russians—there are two things. There are—I would say there are two shutters in this conversion. There is the conversion compared to the Byzantine schism. One thing that doesn't recognize the the Russia and all that. They put themselves in—and then there is the problem that the two the two sides recognize, it’s that the the Russia is collapsing like the rest of the world. She is also intoxicated by liberal ideals. There, we were talking precisely about the birth rate earlier, the birth rate in Russia. Putin and Orban don't manage. don't manage. So that, there would be a miraculous conversion at that level. Or or yes yes or er it’s a bit what Charlie Kirk said before dying. "Mary is the solution." Mary is the solution to toxic feminism. There. and and so the birth rate and so all that we see all that we see—and so we see that the role of Our Blessed Virgin will be to reestablish the mission of the woman, the family—the family based on the woman—and so the Christian civilization and all that—so er because there we are all in the process of dying with mouth open eh there there.


So Pope Francis also in my opinion didn't consecrate because he made fun in fact of the ceremony before—he no—"magia" (magic), it's not magic—so he believes—believed not himself—he did because the Poles—the Polish and Ukrainian bishops asked him to do it or no—and "magia" and with bad grace because Putin had—already asked for a consecration during his first. Yes, it’s astonishing. It’s astonishing that—in fact he said—the striking on the table—"one does not talk about Fatima here." Yeah. And in the second meeting of Putin and of Pope Francis, he made him wait 2 hours and that is a message. Putin made Francis wait and there we saw in the photos, we saw that er there was smoke coming out of the nostrils and and the [Laughter] ears. That didn't go at all. Does he—2 the pope when there that—that he has little patience the poor man. There, not very diplomatic and it’s the the political politics this consecration of Francis—it was there it was very very in the spirit besides I think it was done also to satis—for the Westerners to say "our our war—no our war is just—is just"—the war—that's why it's very grave eh I think there were pressures from NATO, pressures from the from the European community for Francis to point the finger at Russia—yeah "it's the bad ones, they must convert—finally that they convert—there, there must be the peace pointed at without pointing at"—And yes, so that’s why it was in my opinion I I have a hard time understanding how there are colleagues, priests who manage to think that the consecration was done. It’s—it’s so interesting, it’s that it’s in the month of March and all that, there were negotiations. Yes. Er and Ukraine was ready to accept the conditions of Russia. Yeah and Boris Johnson went to Kyiv and made everything collapse and and the consecration in fact what follows the consecration—collapsing—we see it besides in—while precisely the same Zelenskyy was ready to sign something and make the war stop and and at the last moment Macron and Boris Johnson made everything collapse and the war resumed and doesn't cease to escalate since or there so it’s the deus ex machina eh of the consecration. Yes. With preparatory events. What we see there at this moment so Russia is in collision with the rotten West. Yes, she is—Yes, there is nonetheless—must be objective eh. There is nonetheless an opposition. So, we said well it’s certain that Russia is not—there is corruption, there is perhaps even the influence of certain finances—Judaeo-Masonic circles. Yes, there. It’s necessary not—must be realist eh nonetheless. Well there but there is nonetheless a—one sees a will to not align with the European leftism. There. On the politics of the left. Yeah. And so the the war arrives. And so the war will continue to that—to worsen. They want now we are going to enter into a state of war. Yes. Well we are roughly a a in my opinion we must approach the 1 million and a half Ukrainian deaths. Yes. There. And 300,000 Russian deaths. er nonetheless because the Russia has a superiority in artillery extraordinary. Yeah, but the Ukrainians nonetheless did a lot of damage. They nonetheless manipulated drones and all that. There, there was nonetheless a lot of damage occasioned to the Russians who didn't expect to be confronted with a Ukrainian army so powerful in 2022. Yeah. So now, it is demoralizing effectively. There is nonetheless desertion, there is all that. But effectively, don—but Russia has such a power of fire, it’s extraordinary. Er and she she has the support of China, of Iran and of North Korea in particular. Er so there is no more famine in North Korea and the North Koreans—send 1 million shells per year—just that. So which superimposes on the Russian production and so the Chinese contribution we don't know. It’s colossal colossal. And when—must look, you can look at the the channel of Russian propaganda—Murat San, I don't know the—There is the Ukrainian propaganda which gives also it’s the same images. It’s atrocious. It’s a war absolutely atrocious. It’s truly the First World War in worse. Ah yes, it’s truly horrible. You have a zone what is called the zone of death on both sides of the line of contact of 25 km. And there, if there is anything at all that moves, there are drones on—one is spotted and one takes a Kamikaze drone. Yeah. But and the drone—anti-Kamikaze—costs 40,000 400 rupees—40,000 rubles er about 4 400 euros. Er nothing what. Nothing. doesn't make anything. They killed a human being with a drone. They have a unwinder of wire of fiber optic—less and less drones are with antenna because it’s jammed. Yeah and so the same an isolated foot soldier takes a a drone with fiber optic by day as by night. They are—one is more spottable at night than the day even with this this technology. Yes, you have the the drones strike the the entry door and then there is a drone that follows that enters inside that explodes. If it’s not sufficient, there is another drone that explodes. Yeah. So it’s a the dr—the drones enter into buildings, verify the rooms and if there is someone, poof, they get exploded. There will always be a drone that will follow to continue to verify floor by floor. Oh there, it’s absolutely atrocious. They have no chance of getting away. Er it’s it’s it’s the butchery. Fortunately they don't publish the images because every time there is a drone f—guided—explodes on a soldier, that means that you have a surveillance drone that records the event. So they always cut nonetheless what happens after. Okay. So it’s absolutely atrocious. Yeah. It’s nightmarish even more than the First World War. It’s truly an atrocious war. And so there, it’s been since 4 years that Russia is relentless and well, despite their power, they nonetheless don't manage to advance very fast. They will finish at Odessa, I am convinced. But they don't manage to advance too fast. I don't have the total optimism of Xavier Moreau because he he—does a bit of propaganda nonetheless. There. Well, he believes it, he is not wrong to to believe it either and then he is quite brave. Yeah, but it’s it’s nonetheless one sees that the front nonetheless and yes, it advances—war of attrition war of attrition. What the Russians wanted eh, they said anyway, they don't want nuclear escalation. So so Russia will not want that that escalate—that one arrive at the nuclear stage quickly. They want especially to avoid that. Yeah, that's it. So it’s they want to have Europe by attrition and by economic and diplomatic attrition. Yeah. and er they have international partners, they don't want to be in a posture of aggression compared to they want simply to demonstrate that they do only defend the the Russian cradle of the of the South of Ukraine, the New-Russia. But despite everything, I think that the the the the Western Europe, finally the European community doesn't—doesn't back down doesn't back down and they want now truly to make war.


So so they implicated themselves because they don't manage to seize, they want to rob Russia. Yeah. And which is an act of war and he wanted to rob, that didn't work for obvious reasons, that is to say that Europe would have no more credit—discredited—so the money would withdraw even more from Europe. So that wasn't possible. And so the the loan that was just consented to Ukraine, it will be Europe that will pay it on the Russian reparations. So Europe implicates itself even more in the war er because she must win the war now to obtain the reparations which will allow to recover this loan etc. So one doesn't stop sinking or and of advancing toward war and so one deals with the corruption too. The people are rotten as we are. Yeah but not against nature. That is the difference. So there is corruption. We are on both sides. It’s not angels on the other side either. No, they aren't saints. They aren't saints. There are enormous problems er that Putin doesn't manage to resolve. Yeah. But it’s not a corruption against nature. Yeah. Besides, there had been a test in Moscow, two men who hold hands with a camera at 10 at 10 m distance. Yeah. And they were covered in insults while walking—two men who while there here—men who walk—here in the village, there is a guy who walks in a miniskirt. No one budges. No, no one so er so it’s not a corruption against nature. There is no—and there is a the corruption. Yes, but er there is liberalism, materialism, feminism, consumerism, of the same. But there is nonetheless a national Russian surge. They love—in fact, they changed. I think that the Russians—one sees it, they love their country. They are—they are patriotic. There. There. er I saw recently—was saying "one could resolve the the de-natality by presenting a vision of the nation to the people and all that by a national surge" but there he is wrong because there despite the Russian national surge there is no—interesting that or Ja—that was lost in the 50s there was a housing crisis much more grave than at the current time but there was a strong birth rate yes yeah and what one had what said in the 50s "one had a national vision"—no no I think there remained still a Christian life still a natural health—Yes. Then still a certain Christian vision of the of the family of the foyer, a of the fidelity the—Yeah. Well, France also suffers from problems of birth rate from the reign of Louis XV eh? From the reign of Louis XV, all the confessors say that there is onanism very spread in Catholic circles. A low birth rate in the 19th century—catastrophe. So of beautiful Catholic families but in the—which makes that one had a bit a demographic explosion, it’s more the progress in the medical of the health all that is medical. There, there is there is—more of—so that is so for Russia and us do we do we still have in in our country elements on which one can still—institutions in which one can still hope? Institutions I don't think so but individuals perhaps er still a few—but so what I wanted to say is that so Russia now is in a difficult position—you see—with the Judaeo-Masonry despite the prior link or the existing link er that is to say er despite—They had they had wanted to establish a—Putin himself er he had even said it recently, "I am not motivated ideologically against Europe" er and he always said that he wanted a modus vivendi with the West. Yeah, he he was happy to get along well with Schröder, with Chirac. One even says that he was part of a bit of the—I don't know which of the Bilderbergs, I don't know which. Yeah, a bit globalist. it’s that and I think there was a bit with him a yes. a desire for a modus vivendi as you say. 

Well, he was anointed by Berezovsky, there, who αssαssιnαtҽd him after. There, er he was anointed by Yeltsin er he he promised Yeltsin that he would undergo nothing, that his family would undergo nothing. er Putin, in fact, is a creature of Andropov. er so Andropov had cancer, he gathered all the officers of the KGB in a celebrated meeting. He told them "communism doesn't work, we must return to a market economy. So you must now stay organized as an organization but for the benefit of Russia itself, eh? So what gives us now a Russian national surge. Yeah. That is to say that the the Russian elites are pro-Russian. They are—it’s not an anonymous and wandering fortune. It’s a matter of a Russian fortune of a name of Russian power. The Siloviki. Yeah. the men of—the men of power of the—guys er serious and powerful er who are at the controls of—So Putin is a Tsar but all his Russia relies always on Siloviki on powerful people, eh? just as the Peter the Great had good marshals. Chief and then others there er who have well managed the—But one—one asks of them—Putin, I think that it’s—asks his financiers to not leave their—in my opinion their domain of their economic role. In which case they get—there. and Putin is impassive is impassive. Yes, he is an excellent diplomatic chess player. Yes, it’s a a great diplomat. I think that he will make history in the in the diplomacy because even if the Russia is not the first global economic power, in my opinion on the diplomatic plane, the Russia has become the first power—influence—the first—that the France used to play before. France before was a diplomatic power—and interesting besides because what you say one has the impression that precisely he prepares for what could happen later. this influence when the Russia converts. What is in the process of happening currently—a bit—is a bit like a preparation you see economic diplomatic for example the Russian passport enters into China without a visa—a problem. Ah yes and I believe it’s the same for the—the Russian passport is very powerful. Er it’s a the Russia feeds Africa. So we see she has the votes of Africa at the United Nations. Er the Russia feeds Africa and when a country—doesn't—she does it for free. There is only Turkey that helps itself along the way by transforming Russian wheat into flour. 


Er it’s it’s not very kind all that. er but it’s well, it’s the Turks. There, it’s the Turks. But the Russia feeds Africa. So it’s the first global agricultural power. It’s the first global wheat exporting country now. And as she nibbles Ukraine more and more. Yes, well they are going to have to reinforce this role of of wheat country eh? It’s not only the oil that the Russia—the Russia has colossal resources of minerals of all kinds. She has 11 time zones. er she manages, she masters technologies that no one else masters. For example the nuclear icebreakers. So she can open the the commercial routes in the Arctic. There. er she is the only one who masters the technology of nuclear motors miniature for the first time. Okay. So she is the only one who masters—masters like the great powers, she masters airplane motors. er they have trouble making an Airbus A320 equivalent but they will finish by getting there I think. That will take them much more time. That—that will at least take them 10 years and it’s very very complicated all that. But even there they try eh? So they master nonetheless quite a few things finally. Yes. The sanctions that were imposed on them are going to help them to assure their their own independence. And so after having an influence, there, they have a debt that is only 17% of the GDP while we are at 117%. It's funny. Yeah. We are at 117, they they are at 17 so they have healthy finances er and and the—it’s a bit of a problem, it’s that it’s a rich country. Many Russians are rich and materialistic, so they are rotten by their by their prosperity. There. So it’s the big problem—it’s there that one sees the limits finally. Yes, that's it. of this problem because the more one is rich, the less—less one thinks to have the money to have children. Yeah, that's it. er so it’s catastrophic eh? And they are on a mountain of wealth. er we didn't help, we we we didn't help the the power. So the Pierre de Nessé who was αssαssιnαtҽd in my opinion had very well analyzed the power of Russia. That is to say they didn't dismantle their military complex or industrial. They put it in a state of hibernation. Yes, that's it. There. And so all the factories now run. The problem that Russia has compared to these factories is the lack of labor. So they bring in North Koreans and all that. And so they have they have put back in motion all the armament factories, all the military-industrial complex colossal of the Soviet era. Already because there are many Soviet weapons systems that work very very well. The weapons—the Russian weapons in general are er reliable, simple, reliable, numerous er and effective and they are everywhere on the battlefield. Er the artillery in particular, the Russian artillery, for example, the Russian artillery chooses low pressure. So there is less range, there is perhaps less precision, but the tube as it is in low pressure, the tube wears out less fast. So it’s a weapon that is useful, that one can use for a long time. And they have such reserves of of howitzers in the Siberian fields that they do the tube changes easily and and the the same howitzer continues to fire. And there, it’s without end what. It’s—And then for the tanks, it’s the same. They know very well the the Russian tank is a very good concept. er it’s a bit—what is a bit dangerous is that it has er the the barrel of of ammunition in the center, so it can easily explode but at the same time, it’s a system with three men of crew with an automatic cannon, automatic loading. er very simple, much lower on its feet that doesn't get bogged down, that has very wide tracks. er so which weighs much less heavy, much more maneuverable, less detectable and then easy to repair, easy to replace. So the wrecks are recovered on the battlefield, they are repaired and sent back. So there are many Russian tanks that do several tours and one sees many Russian tanks also that explode on mines and things and and that take 50 drones and which continue to to fire and the crew gets out. Yeah. Well, they will—many also get exploded, that's certain. So it’s anyway the Russians have a and now the Russians have especially an experience of the war that even the China doesn't have. Yeah, that's it. An experience now, they have a terrible war eh since years in Ukraine. It’s nonetheless there, it’s something enormous.


So there, there for the Russian side. There, Russian side. Yes, that’s it. Well, that’s good, it will be perhaps the deus ex machina or the trigger. But it’s interesting what you say precisely to well measure er well what is going to happen what in fact. There is a depth of the Russian soul, they are very intelligent, they understand that it’s our elites who are rotten. There. There. They don't have to make the distinction between—they would really like us to wake up but they understand that we are idiots because of our elites. [Laughter] er there, they have a deep love of France in particular. There is a link between Russia and France which—France which is deep. er they don't despise us. They are they are sorry to see that we are stubborn and that we are we are idiots, what. It’s and but er so there is a stupidity so er so Himalayan of Macron eh our elites are so stupid they are going to continue to provoke Russia until the Champs-Élysées what. eh until the—they want to make them come what. They truly do everything to make them come. It’s extraordinary. Yeah, it’s it’s mysterious. Well it’s the accomplishment of a blinding of the prophecies too eh? It's said well the blinding—there—which pushes to—Marie-Julie Jahenny said the Russians will arrive and other prophecies say but it’s not possible. We we thought—it’s funny because we thought it was in the 70s—produced. And well no and well it’s going to produce because of because of because of the politicians because there is we have such a degree of madness. Yes. That now one can glimpse that they are going to continue to provoke Russia until the end. Well anyway, even if they lose in Ukraine. Yeah. Yeah. But it’s a bit—it’s what the Americans do, that is to say when the Americans get chased out of Afghanistan, they start a war elsewhere in Syria and all that. When we—when one loses a war or well like a bad loser at poker, there, one changes—one is going to put the belt on the table, the shirt and one continues because it’s that, there is a sort of in in English, they call that the "sunk costs." That is to say Europe has implicated itself so much already against Russia, she can no longer pull back backtrack without this goal. They are so idiotic and are so stubborn er and they have so demonized Russia which yet wanted to be one of theirs at the start. Yes. In fact, she turned toward China because of them what. There. because of—thrown in the arms of China.


Well there for Russia, it’s mysterious and all that. Dugin is interesting. I think he hasn't understood everything but he nonetheless well enough evolved. er there is there is a Russian thought at this moment which is interesting, which is quite deep er and a Russian perspective, a certain—there is something fresh er among the Russians and plays a bit the role of the Franks at the death of the Roman Empire what. er it’s that—a sort of relief relief. The Roman Empire is no longer the base on which the church can continue. We are going to keep the legal frame, the Roman Empire, the Roman heritage, but the Good Lord needs to put new blood. We see that despite all the problems that the Russians have, it—a certain freshness and a—I wouldn't say an innocence, but a disposition to grace which comes from a divine election. Saint Paul says, there is something that holds the the Antichrist and one can think that the katechon, we call that the katechon—the one who er katechons—it’s what opposes in who there—what opposes. So it’s it’s the the phenomenon that prevents the Antichrist from coming immediately because we see with the Covid, we had these 2 years of "communism of the rich." Yeah. Communism ala Bill Gates. We see that on our side everything is ready for the Antichrist. We are—we are completely idiotic and weakened. We don't have enough elite. er yes and if things went in their logic, if there were not Russia, if there hadn't been the the dec—because in fact what killed the virus, it’s the Russian attack in February 2022 because they wanted to continue. Yes, effectively, they wanted to put other doses on us and of—they wanted to continue the the phase and there finally it made a diversion. It made a diversion and Biden said "we will resolve the Covid after the war against Russia." So it’s nonetheless they who pulled us out of the mess at that moment. Yeah. That is to say that we will resolve—we will establish globalism in its absolute once we have settled the problem.


So on our side that doesn't mean doing nothing. No no that's it. There. Because one could think that everything is lost, that there is nothing more to do that it's—it's not our position. We aren't going to put everything on Russia on the account of Russia to straighten out the situation. It’s necessary that on our side there be courage and there is effectively courage in my opinion. There are courageous men. There are courageous men. Yes. er it’s limited eh, it’s Soral, Dieudonné, it’s the farmers, it’s certain officers or ex-officers at the retreat of the Ward de Nessé eh? Moreau in a certain measure. We like Moreau anyway. Yes. Yes. But he isn't in France. He isn't in France. I think that er but of the Ward de Nessé went to the card. They were there and er—I see in the farmer environment we see people who stand up er in their way—anyway—but who who manifest a and who have a structure a wisdom, a wisdom, a judgment a utility and and Catholic of course because well—problem of Soral and Dieudonné—Soral especially it’s not great perhaps. So you say that he wasn't very smart there recently. No precisely was not aware and there he he blasphemed. Yet he talks about respect toward Christendom all that Christendom but at that moment one must talk about respect with the Christ of the of the Holy Eucharist—central mystery—no there it was truly defamatory it was it was lamentable lamentable—it’s anyway a shame it’s a shame—but precisely it’s there that one sees that there, the true elites well it’s those who have all yeah at once the faith and at the same time the natural balance like er it’s it’s I say it’s these farmers there currently Well, I cited you for example Mercadal, there is Sébastien Beraud who is a a farmer of of the of the of the Center of France. We see that there is there is anyway it’s solid what. It’s solid. There. So after as a political movement well there is Civitas it's Yes. Then well it’s nice what. There. Yes it’s nice. And Rivarol then that Rivarol is very courageous. Rivarol is very courageous in that courageous. They aren't in their boots and they want system—system—they aren't for the system there it’s a bit we could say a bit wet or a bit they want to do entryism in the system in the system—that will never work whereas Rivarol says no it’s over the system—well at Civitas they wanted to make mayors there one sees that as soon as it’s a commune of that cannot work as soon as one arrives at a—well there were exceptions at Orange, at Toulon at a given moment—And no. So saturated and of the entry trad. Yes. No, that won't work.