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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: ST. MARY'S MODESTY
« Reply #75 on: August 09, 2019, 03:57:38 PM »
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    I simply know what the Church knows, which is that Tradition is three things, not one
    Agree.  And the True Mass has all 3 elements contained in it.  (1)  It is a liturgical style of Divine origin (the liturgy is a completion of the Jewish liturgy),  (2) it directly and indirectly communicates the catholic theology (the Mass is the re-enactment of Calvary),  (3)  It is a form of prayer that is consistent with Tradition of thousands of years.

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    Absolutely nothing in my posts on this thread or any other thread have anything to do with "quantity of people."

    I interpreted your comments about "pragmatic politics" and "producing chaos in the interim" to refer to the confusion that people would have by being forced back into Tradition.  I interpreted your approach as trying to maximize the # of people to accept Tradition.  If that's wrong, i'm sorry.


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    Again, I think a lot more cowardice is being shown in the Vatican about tolerance for One of the Four Sins than about anything else.

    No restoration is going to happen while sodomy maintains a stranglehold on Rome, regardless of how suddenly the N.O. is subjugated and eliminated.  The two are very much symbiotic.

    The addiction to modernism and heterodoxy being closely related to the sins of the flesh being practiced within the Vatican,
    Interesting perspective on the relationship between these two errors.  Except that Modernism came long before the rampant homosexuality crisis (at least in a public knowledge sense).  However, I agree with you that the connection between heresy and homosexuality is a good one, being that almost all the progressive Cardinals/bishops of the Church are freemasons/communists, who have no moral code, and who practice Satanism in secret, therefore their moral boundaries are almost non-existent, since they never entered the Church to serve Christ but to destroy Catholicism.  In other words, Modernists existed since before Pope St Pius X in the early 1900s, as he warned us all then.  Ergo, so did such moral deviancy, because most freemasons/modernists practice such activity, being it is a natural progression of their loss of morality, the closer they come to satan and away from God.  The stranglehold that these deviants have on new-rome is just a function of time, as during the 1960s, the # of good Cardinals outnumbered the bad, except that the evil faction was more organized and able to control the V2 council and its outcome.  Since the 60s, gradually and gradually, more deviants have been appointed by new-rome's popes.

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    Re: ST. MARY'S MODESTY
    « Reply #76 on: August 09, 2019, 07:45:26 PM »
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  • Agree.  And the True Mass has all 3 elements contained in it.  (1)  It is a liturgical style of Divine origin (the liturgy is a completion of the Jewish liturgy),  (2) it directly and indirectly communicates the catholic theology (the Mass is the re-enactment of Calvary),  (3)  It is a form of prayer that is consistent with Tradition of thousands of years.

    Fine, but those three elements within the Mass proper are not sufficient to teach and convert the untaught and unconverted who are actually attached to modernism and the N.O., not to Tradition. Deliberate formation is necessary.  It's especially hard when a person was born into the N.O. (Often more difficult than if the same person were to have converted from "nothing.")

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    I interpreted your comments about "pragmatic politics" and "producing chaos in the interim" to refer to the confusion that people would have by being forced back into Tradition.  I interpreted your approach as trying to maximize the # of people to accept Tradition.  If that's wrong, i'm sorry.

    Wrong interpretation.

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    Interesting perspective on the relationship between these two errors.  Except that Modernism came long before the rampant homosexuality crisis (at least in a public knowledge sense).  However, I agree with you that the connection between heresy and homosexuality is a good one, being that almost all the progressive Cardinals/bishops of the Church are freemasons/communists, who have no moral code, and who practice Satanism in secret, therefore their moral boundaries are almost non-existent, since they never entered the Church to serve Christ but to destroy Catholicism.  In other words, Modernists existed since before Pope St Pius X in the early 1900s, as he warned us all then.  Ergo, so did such moral deviancy, because most freemasons/modernists practice such activity, being it is a natural progression of their loss of morality, the closer they come to satan and away from God.  The stranglehold that these deviants have on new-rome is just a function of time, as during the 1960s, the # of good Cardinals outnumbered the bad, except that the evil faction was more organized and able to control the V2 council and its outcome.  Since the 60s, gradually and gradually, more deviants have been appointed by new-rome's popes.

    Thank you, but I wasn't talking about modernism; rather, a specific sin clouding the intellect and creating all kinds of disorder within the soul -- including disordered attachments to self, to secrecy, to a willingness to prefer addictive behavior (sodomy) to the truth and to risk one's eternal salvation because of that attachment.  I've grown pretty heartless about such people in the clerical ranks.

    Anyway, I hope you and others on this thread can agree at least to the effective symbiotic relationship that exists between Conciliarism and the standards of the World:  Love of ego, preference of self over objective authority, vanity, immodesty, "feminism," etc.  Again, good riddance to the 8 pant-dressed women who didn't show up last Sunday due to ah honest message on a harmless flyer.  Maybe we'll get lucky again this Sunday.


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    Re: ST. MARY'S MODESTY
    « Reply #77 on: August 12, 2019, 04:50:10 PM »
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  • Fine, but those three elements within the Mass proper are not sufficient to teach and convert the untaught and unconverted who are actually attached to modernism and the N.O., not to Tradition. Deliberate formation is necessary.  It's especially hard when a person was born into the N.O. (Often more difficult than if the same person were to have converted from "nothing.")

    Wrong interpretation.

    Thank you, but I wasn't talking about modernism; rather, a specific sin clouding the intellect and creating all kinds of disorder within the soul -- including disordered attachments to self, to secrecy, to a willingness to prefer addictive behavior (sodomy) to the truth and to risk one's eternal salvation because of that attachment.  I've grown pretty heartless about such people in the clerical ranks.

    Anyway, I hope you and others on this thread can agree at least to the effective symbiotic relationship that exists between Conciliarism and the standards of the World:  Love of ego, preference of self over objective authority, vanity, immodesty, "feminism," etc.  Again, good riddance to the 8 pant-dressed women who didn't show up last Sunday due to ah honest message on a harmless flyer.  Maybe we'll get lucky again this Sunday.
    Nice job!  A flyer would be a great idea for many of the Chapels - somehow anonymously ending up in circulation!  Deo gratias!
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    Re: ST. MARY'S MODESTY
    « Reply #78 on: August 13, 2019, 01:08:20 AM »
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  • I remember when my cousin literally dressed like a prostitute at our grandmother's funeral. She wore a mini dress that you would see women wearing at night clubs. Of course, her modernist, worldly, yuppy father had no qualms about it. Her mother ("divorced" from her father) certainly had no problems with it. She's one of those weirdo New Agers, and like so many modern women, they allow and approve of their daughters objectifying themselves through their clothing.

     

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