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Offline Last Tradhican

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Re: ST. MARY'S MODESTY
« Reply #15 on: August 05, 2019, 10:39:55 AM »
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  • How many trad parents in the USA allow their daughters to go with boys by themselves? From my observation, there is scarcely one that does not. If you allow your daughters to go out with boys by themselves, be prepared for the consequences. We have had a lot of unmarried pregnant girls at our chapel and even more to come down the pipe because the parents and the SSPX preists are living in a dream world.

    Offline Ladislaus

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    « Reply #16 on: August 05, 2019, 10:43:02 AM »
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  • This is the bottom line. Even those of us who know and care and try have to be reminded over and over again. On these topics the priests have to repeat themselves probably twice a year in every parish and not walk on eggshells.

    Maybe.  I think that some of them have just resigned themselves to it being a losing battle.  My elderly independent priest reminds women of the dress code several times a year.  Each time there's some improvement for about a week or two, but then back to the same old same old.  So more than this (a bi-annual reminder) is needed.  Short of pounding the pulpit on an almost-weekly basis and refusing the Sacraments to the offenders, the reminders by themselves won't be effective.  What's funny with the women is that all it takes for ONE woman to get away with a short skirt, and the very next week you see a dozen more ... as the trailblazer had gotten away with it, probably secretly being considered a hero by the others.

    Refusing the Sacraments can be problematic.  Sure, there are the obvious egregious cases.  But what about infractions that are either borderline or less grave?  Do you have old ladies policing the entrances with measuring tapes?  That can lead to a very bizarre cult-like environment for Mass.  So it's almost like a no-win.  If the priest cannot persuade the ladies to WANT to be modest and to embrace it, it's an impossible battle, and some priests have just given up.  Not that they don't care necessarily, but they've given up and feel that there's nothing more than they can do.


    Offline Mmmm

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    Re: ST. MARY'S MODESTY
    « Reply #17 on: August 05, 2019, 11:00:45 AM »
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  • The priest is dressed in Novus Ordo vestments, the altar boy wears an alb, and there are no altar cards, missal or chalice. Looks completely N.O. to me. What makes you think it has to do with the SSPX?
    My mistake.
    Sspx to come.
    This is FSSP van der putten priest and bride.

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    Re: ST. MARY'S MODESTY
    « Reply #18 on: August 05, 2019, 11:03:33 AM »
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  • Maybe.  I think that some of them have just resigned themselves to it being a losing battle.  My elderly independent priest reminds women of the dress code several times a year.  Each time there's some improvement for about a week or two, but then back to the same old same old.  So more than this (a bi-annual reminder) is needed.  Short of pounding the pulpit on an almost-weekly basis and refusing the Sacraments to the offenders, the reminders by themselves won't be effective.  What's funny with the women is that all it takes for ONE woman to get away with a short skirt, and the very next week you see a dozen more ... as the trailblazer had gotten away with it, probably secretly being considered a hero by the others.

    Refusing the Sacraments can be problematic.  Sure, there are the obvious egregious cases.  But what about infractions that are either borderline or less grave?  Do you have old ladies policing the entrances with measuring tapes?  That can lead to a very bizarre cult-like environment for Mass.  So it's almost like a no-win.  If the priest cannot persuade the ladies to WANT to be modest and to embrace it, it's an impossible battle, and some priests have just given up.  Not that they don't care necessarily, but they've given up and feel that there's nothing more than they can do.
    At the end of the day only fathers and husbands can deal with it, and even they'll have a very hard time unless she cares about modesty herself.

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    Re: ST. MARY'S MODESTY
    « Reply #19 on: August 05, 2019, 11:05:30 AM »
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  • If the priest cannot persuade the ladies to WANT to be modest and to embrace it, it's an impossible battle, and some priests have just given up.  Not that they don't care necessarily, but they've given up and feel that there's nothing more than they can do.
    It's called the easy life. They should be sent to dig ditches or clean septic tanks for a month and maybe they'll learn what real hardship is. 


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    « Reply #20 on: August 05, 2019, 11:31:02 AM »
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  • It's called the easy life. They should be sent to dig ditches or clean septic tanks for a month and maybe they'll learn what real hardship is.

    It's not about what's hard, but about what's effective.

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    Re: ST. MARY'S MODESTY
    « Reply #21 on: August 05, 2019, 11:32:59 AM »
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  • Women who don't abide by the modest dress code should be denied communion and the Mass. Simply eject the whores from the premises. This is another reason each chapel should have security forces present.

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    Re: ST. MARY'S MODESTY
    « Reply #22 on: August 05, 2019, 11:42:06 AM »
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  • Maybe.  I think that some of them have just resigned themselves to it being a losing battle.  

    You are right. I'm sorry, I was in a hurry and didn't pay proper attention to what I was quoting. Some priests aren't bothered. I have heard the "how else is she going to catch a man" excuse for allowing immodesty. Those priests who don't think it's a big deal are out there. But you are right that some have given up because it seems useless. I honestly don't know which is worse.


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    Re: ST. MARY'S MODESTY
    « Reply #23 on: August 05, 2019, 11:46:32 AM »
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  • Those priests are guilty of dereliction of duty and enabling occasions of sin.

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    Re: ST. MARY'S MODESTY
    « Reply #24 on: August 05, 2019, 11:57:20 AM »
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  • My mistake.
    Sspx to come.
    This is FSSP van der putten priest and bride.
    Doesn't look like Fr. Angelo to me. So what FSSP Van der Putten priest is that?

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    Re: ST. MARY'S MODESTY
    « Reply #25 on: August 05, 2019, 02:15:42 PM »
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  • Women who don't abide by the modest dress code should be denied communion and the Mass. Simply eject the whores from the premises. This is another reason each chapel should have security forces present.
    Communion perhaps, if its obvious/blatant enough, but I'm really not for turning people away from Mass.  LIke why would you turn someone away who could see the truth and be drawn by it?


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    Re: ST. MARY'S MODESTY
    « Reply #26 on: August 05, 2019, 02:18:29 PM »
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  • Women who don't abide by the modest dress code should be denied communion and the Mass. Simply eject the whores from the premises. This is another reason each chapel should have security forces present.

    So if a woman is in half millimeter violation of the published standard, she is to be ejected as a "whore"?

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    « Reply #27 on: August 05, 2019, 02:20:50 PM »
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  • Communion perhaps, if its obvious/blatant enough, but I'm really not for turning people away from Mass.  LIke why would you turn someone away who could see the truth and be drawn by it?

    And you'd quickly turn yourself into a bizarre cult that people would never want to come within 10 miles of.  This attitude reminds me just a bit too much of Pharisaism.  Our Lord deliberately reached out to the literal whores, despite objections, because He came to heal the sick.

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    Re: ST. MARY'S MODESTY
    « Reply #28 on: August 05, 2019, 02:30:56 PM »
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  • So if a woman is in half millimeter violation of the published standard, she is to be ejected as a "whore"?

    Perfect example of the men enabling the immodesty, stridency, and feminism of their women, which I spoke of earlier.

    Apparently, you would fit right in at St. Mary's!
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: ST. MARY'S MODESTY
    « Reply #29 on: August 05, 2019, 02:32:33 PM »
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  • And you'd quickly turn yourself into a bizarre cult that people would never want to come within 10 miles of.  This attitude reminds me just a bit too much of Pharisaism.  Our Lord deliberately reached out to the literal whores, despite objections, because He came to heal the sick.

    I note that you are the one to equate immodestly dressed women with whores.  

    Nobody else mentioned the word.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."