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Is a Resistance priest who refuses to mention St. Joseph in the Canon of the Mass a faithful son of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre?

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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: St. Joseph in the Canon of the Mass
« Reply #30 on: Yesterday at 02:37:56 PM »
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    • Yes I believe St Joseph was assumed into heaven.  There was a mystic who had visions of St Joseph’s life and he was freed from original sin, by a special grace, at birth.  It would make sense that God would have his foster father as holy as possible.  
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    Re: St. Joseph in the Canon of the Mass
    « Reply #31 on: Yesterday at 07:02:13 PM »
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    • Who’s Carol Byrne?  Why should Catholics care about her theory of numerology? 
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    « Reply #32 on: Yesterday at 07:45:55 PM »
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    • Quote from: Seraphina on Yesterday at 07:02:13 PM
    Who’s Carol Byrne?  Why should Catholics care about her theory of numerology?
    Sorry, I should have posted Dr. Carol Byrne, Britain.

    Mistaken identity.
    Dr Carol Byrne gained a B.A. and M.A. from University College Dublin and a Ph.D. from the University of Durham (U.K.). After raising a family...

     Can you imagine being a scholarly Catholic author/ researcher- but another person has the same name, who happens to practice psychic  medium?

    Dr Carol Byrne adds " BRITAIN" after her name to avoid confusion.

    So far, I always enjoyed reading her articles. Fr M recommends her books.
    Very clear writing style, with references .
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    Re: St. Joseph in the Canon of the Mass
    « Reply #33 on: Yesterday at 10:56:49 PM »
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    • I accidentally hit No, and ment to click Yes.
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    Re: St. Joseph in the Canon of the Mass
    « Reply #34 on: Yesterday at 11:12:52 PM »
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    • Quote from: Catholic Knight on November 09, 2025, 04:19:24 PM
    Background

    Starting in 1981, a clerical candidate of the SSPX had to sign the attached Declaration of Fidelity before he was ordained to the subdiaconate.  The second last paragraph requires acceptance of the reforms of Pope John XXIII.
    Fidelity to +Lefebvre does not require using the 1962 Missal; it requires fidelity to the traditional Roman Rite in its lawful forms, strict adherence to Catholic doctrine as defended by +Lefebvre, proper observance of liturgical discipline whether using the pre-1955 or 1962 Missal, and a spirit of obedience and reverence toward legitimate Church authority. Therefore, a priest using the pre-1955 Missal remains fully faithful, even if St. Joseph is not mentioned in the Canon, because the Mass remains valid, licit, and in harmony with +Lefebvre’s teaching.

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    Re: St. Joseph in the Canon of the Mass
    « Reply #35 on: Today at 05:22:36 AM »
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    • Quote from: JeanBaptistedeCouetus on Yesterday at 11:12:52 PM
    Fidelity to +Lefebvre does not require using the 1962 Missal; it requires fidelity to the traditional Roman Rite in its lawful forms, strict adherence to Catholic doctrine as defended by +Lefebvre, proper observance of liturgical discipline whether using the pre-1955 or 1962 Missal, and a spirit of obedience and reverence toward legitimate Church authority. Therefore, a priest using the pre-1955 Missal remains fully faithful, even if St. Joseph is not mentioned in the Canon, because the Mass remains valid, licit, and in harmony with +Lefebvre’s teaching.
    A priest using the pre-1955 missal remains "fully faithful" because the Mass remains "in harmony with +Lefebvre's teaching"? What on earth are you talking about it? 
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    Re: St. Joseph in the Canon of the Mass
    « Reply #36 on: Today at 08:44:49 AM »
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    • For those who vote "Yes", what is the doctrinal reason for refusing to place St. Joseph in the Canon?
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    Re: St. Joseph in the Canon of the Mass
    « Reply #37 on: Today at 08:50:30 AM »
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    • Quote from: Catholic Knight on Today at 08:44:49 AM
    For those who vote "Yes", what is the doctrinal reason for refusing to place St. Joseph in the Canon?
    Adding St Joseph isn't part of the 1962 original missal.  All changes after June 1962 were steps toward V2 and non-traditional and violations of Quo Primum.  It's not a question of doctrine, but liturgical law (i.e. Quo Primum).

    If you accept post-June 1962 missals, then you are accepting changes to Quo Primum and, by definition, you are not a Traditional Catholic.  
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    Re: St. Joseph in the Canon of the Mass
    « Reply #38 on: Today at 09:11:53 AM »
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    • Quote from: WorldsAway on Today at 05:22:36 AM
    A priest using the pre-1955 missal remains "fully faithful" because the Mass remains "in harmony with +Lefebvre's teaching"? What on earth are you talking about it?


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    The "traditional" movement wouldn't exist without Abp. Lefebvre, and even he wasn't opposed to liturgical changes. What can't change is doctrine.
    Suscipedomine link isn't pasting, sorry.
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    +Paul D.  posted June 2, 2022
    "...  Arch Lefebvre insisted on '62 only for negotiations with Rome, not as a matter of principle. As a matter of fact, an SSPX priest close to +Lefebvre said he was seriously considering imposing the pre-1955 Missal and Breviary on the SSPX, but his premature  death prevented that. Even Bishop Fellay lamented the loss of the Epiphany Octave. And the SSPX doesn't really do strict 1962, even for Holy Week (with their pre-1955 additions, like the Palm Sunday knocking at the door, and the Gospel tone). +Lefebvre didn't really study the changes to the Mass; thus his seminary was doing a 1965 rite, while Europe in general used '62. The UK and US districts used pre-1955, prior to the negotiations with Rome....

    BTW, your insistence on the Holy Week reform as "minor changes" is refuted by the reformers themselves. Quoting from an earlier article:

    In order to sketch the importance of the reform of Holy Week, both liturgically and theologically, mention must be made of the commentary provided by two of the greatest protagonists of this event, so that the intentions of those who labored over this project might be brought into focus. Father Carlo Braga, the right arm of Annibale Bugnini and for years at the helm of the authoritative review Ephemerides Liturgicae, defined the reform of Holy Saturday in bold terms, calling it "the head of the battering-ram which pierced the fortress of our hitherto static liturgy." (13) The future-Cardinal Ferdinando Antonelli defined it thus in 1956: "the most important act in the history of the liturgy from St. Pius V until today." (14)

    Hardly "minor changes"!

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    A Resistance priest keeps reminding me that at Écone, priests could use the pre - 55 Holy Week. It would iinteresting to see how "the Nine" influenced + Lefebvre decision on the 1962 missal ..

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