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Offline Philip

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Re: St. Joseph in the Canon of the Mass
« Reply #15 on: Today at 12:11:26 PM »
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  • The link in Reply #10 does not work.
    The algorithms on CathInfo do not like words containing cuм so 'docuмents' in the link got changed.

    Try this: https://www.vatican.va/archive/aas/index_en.htm

    Go to volume 54, 1962, and scroll down to page 873 where you will find the decree.  It is not promulgating an edition of the missal but states that the name of St Joseph is to be inserted in the communicantes of the Canon from December 8th that year.

    Offline Pax Vobis

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    Re: St. Joseph in the Canon of the Mass
    « Reply #16 on: Today at 12:25:04 PM »
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  • From Reply #8:


    The way these two paragraphs are worded might give the impression that Pope Pius XII was involved with "the ACTUAL 62 missal" as someone has called it, which would be unusual (impossible actually), as Pope Pius XII reposed in the Lord on October 9, 1958 and the 1962 missal was promulgated by Pope John XXIII on 23 June, 1962, sometime afterwards.

    The link in Reply #10 does not work. I was able to find this article from Romanitas Press
    https://www.romanitaspress.com/particular-curiosity-of-1962-missal

    It appears that the last rubrical revisions of the new (first and original) 1962 Missal were completed by June 1962, when it was promulgated, and the last textual change, the addition of the name of St. Joseph to the Communicantes, was in November of the SAME Year, but the 1962 Missal (first and original) WAS NOT released for printing until May of 1963. I have consulted several online / downloadable pdf versions of the 1962 Missal, verifying from the title page or introductory pages that each was the ACTUAL and OFFICIAL 1962 Missal, and every single one had the name of St. Joseph in the Communicantes.

    I can find NO information that there has ever been more than ONE edition of the typical edition of the 1962 Roman Missal and every source shows that it included the name of St. Joseph to the Communicantes.  Those who are arguing otherwise have provided NO citations to substantiate their view.  A rational person must conclude that there never was an in-print typical edition of the 1962 Roman Missal which did not have the name of St. Joseph in the Communicantes.
    Wrong.  There are multiple editions of the 62missal.  The first one was published by (finished) by John23.  It was started by Pius XII.  St Joseph was not part of the original missal. 

    A new missal, with changes to the calendar and new feasts, etc takes YEARS to produce.  Pius XII started the process. 


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    Re: St. Joseph in the Canon of the Mass
    « Reply #17 on: Today at 04:41:45 PM »
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  • I thought the problem with St. Joseph being in the Canon was that he was not a roman martyr.
    And neither was the Blessed Mother but she is in the Canon. That is why I never saw the big deal with adding St. Joseph to the Canon.

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    Re: St. Joseph in the Canon of the Mass
    « Reply #18 on: Today at 04:49:59 PM »
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  • The ‘big deal’ is that the canon (which means unchanging) goes back to the 400s, when pope St Gregory the Great created uniform rites for the Latin church, after 300 years of persecution.  

    If you can change something which is 1,600 yrs old, then you can change anything.  Which V2 proved.  The addition of St Joseph was a test.  Most people failed to even grasp the significance.