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Offline Catholic Knight

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St. Joseph in the Canon of the Mass
« on: Yesterday at 04:19:24 PM »
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    • Background

    Starting in 1981, a clerical candidate of the SSPX had to sign the attached Declaration of Fidelity before he was ordained to the subdiaconate.  The second last paragraph requires acceptance of the reforms of Pope John XXIII.
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    Re: St. Joseph in the Canon of the Mass
    « Reply #1 on: Yesterday at 04:27:17 PM »
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    • I was thinking the other day, is there any relation between St. Joseph having died under the Old Law and him not traditionally being included in the Canon?
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    Re: St. Joseph in the Canon of the Mass
    « Reply #2 on: Yesterday at 04:29:07 PM »
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    • In times of confusion, it seems unwise to insist on such details. Even before 2012, the SSPX lost many good priests because of this kind of thing.
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    Re: St. Joseph in the Canon of the Mass
    « Reply #3 on: Yesterday at 04:54:37 PM »
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    • I thought the problem with St. Joseph being in the Canon was that he was not a roman martyr. The main reason the others were there was because they were roman martyrs who served as the foundation of the roman rite.
    Besides that, since he wasn't there to begin with: it's not a good idea to change the canon; even to add him, since that opens the door to more changes.
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    Offline Pax Vobis

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    Re: St. Joseph in the Canon of the Mass
    « Reply #4 on: Today at 08:26:48 AM »
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    • The original 62 missal, as OFFICIALLY approved by Pius XII (Pope John 23 only finished what Pius XII started), does not have St Joseph in the canon.  St Joseph was only added in a "revision" of the missal, which was confirmed by a liturgical commission.  So the addition of St Joseph is not part of the actual, papal-approved, original 62 missal.
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    Re: St. Joseph in the Canon of the Mass
    « Reply #5 on: Today at 09:37:10 AM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on Today at 08:26:48 AM
    The original 62 missal, as OFFICIALLY approved by Pius XII (Pope John 23 only finished what Pius XII started), does not have St Joseph in the canon.  St Joseph was only added in a "revision" of the missal, which was confirmed by a liturgical commission.  So the addition of St Joseph is not part of the actual, papal-approved, original 62 missal.

    Even if what you are saying is true, the name of St. Joseph in the Canon was already there in 1981 when referring to the 1962 Missal.
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    Re: St. Joseph in the Canon of the Mass
    « Reply #6 on: Today at 10:04:15 AM »
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    • My copy of "The Mass; A Study of the Roman Liturgy" by Father Adrian Fortescue, published in 1914 is loaned out so I can't offer more precise detail.  However, new editions of the Roman Missal issued since that of Pope St. Pius V in 1570 are:
    Pope Clement VIII in 1604,
    Pope Urban VIII in 1634,
    Pope Leo XIII in 1884,
    Pope Benedict XV in 1920,
    Pope John XXIII in 1962,

    Pope Pius XII issued no new typical edition of the Roman Missal but after 1955 had his revised Holy Week Liturgy printed in the missal of Pope Benedict XV.  In addition to changes in when the Mass could be celebrated (except for the Mass at Midnight of Christmas a Mass usually could only be celebrated between dawn and noon) and changes to the Eucharistic fast he was working on simplification of the rubrics of the Mass when he died.  These were implemented by Pope John XXIII in 1961.  In 1962 Pope John XXIII promulgated a new typical edition of the Roman Missal incorporating Pope Pius XII's Holy Week liturgy and including the name of St. Joseph into the Canon. 
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    Re: St. Joseph in the Canon of the Mass
    « Reply #7 on: Today at 10:12:54 AM »
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    • Quote from: Catholic Knight on Today at 09:37:10 AM
    Even if what you are saying is true, the name of St. Joseph in the Canon was already there in 1981 when referring to the 1962 Missal.
    The original edition of the 1962 edition does NOT have St Joseph in the canon.  Whatever missal you're referring to, is not the original edition.
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    Re: St. Joseph in the Canon of the Mass
    « Reply #8 on: Today at 10:15:58 AM »
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    • Quote from: moneil on Today at 10:04:15 AM
    In 1962 Pope John XXIII promulgated a new typical edition of the Roman Missal incorporating Pope Pius XII's Holy Week liturgy and including the name of St. Joseph into the Canon.
    The original edition of the 62 missal does not contain St Joseph.  This was added later, in subsequent "revisions" (which were not from Pius XII but from a liturgical commission).

    Pius XII (and the ACTUAL 62 missal) did not add St Joseph to the canon.

    The Modernists started changing the 62 missal within MONTHS of the original edition being printed.  There are 2-3 "revisions" alone in the first 2 years.  It was chaos from the start, from John23.
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