Author Topic: Question for Non Sedevacantists ONLY (Read 4711 times)

TKGS · « **Reply #15 on:** May 21, 2014, 09:27:05 AM »

Quote from: soulguard

The SSPX is the only group large enough to be able to fix this mess by starting another hierarchy.

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( im not a SV but think like one and want to solve this crisis)

Then you are suggesting that the SSPX become overtly schismatic. Although it seems that they have begun the process of "starting another hierarchy" with their tribunals and other actions that clearly require jurisdiction, they proclaim their fealty to Bergoglio.

But in order to unambiguously "start another hierarchy" they would, by it's very nature, declare the See of Rome vacant and all Conciliar bishops to be outside the Church.

At the moment, even I (as a sedevacantist) am not willing to make such a declaration.

You truly have a double mind.

soulguard · « **Reply #16 on:** May 21, 2014, 12:26:34 PM »

Quote from: TKGS

Quote from: soulguard
The SSPX is the only group large enough to be able to fix this mess by starting another hierarchy.

< snip>

( im not a SV but think like one and want to solve this crisis)

Then you are suggesting that the SSPX become overtly schismatic. Although it seems that they have begun the process of "starting another hierarchy" with their tribunals and other actions that clearly require jurisdiction, they proclaim their fealty to Bergoglio.

But in order to unambiguously "start another hierarchy" they would, by it's very nature, declare the See of Rome vacant and all Conciliar bishops to be outside the Church.

At the moment, even I (as a sedevacantist) am not willing to make such a declaration.

You truly have a double mind.

Its not a double minded suggestion if you remember that one is excommunicated for heresy.

How many novus ordo bishops hold the Catholic faith whole and inviolate?
How many of them are consecrated validly?

If you say that the novus ordo rites of ordination and consecration are valid, and if you say that the faith that the novus ordo clergy have is Catholic, then you render meaningless the anathemas and excommunications that were imposed by councils and popes all throughout church history, for the sake of peace, but peace with the novus ordo? WHY? they are on the level of the protestants.

TKGS · « **Reply #17 on:** May 21, 2014, 02:46:55 PM »

Quote from: soulguard

Quote from: TKGS
Quote from: soulguard
The SSPX is the only group large enough to be able to fix this mess by starting another hierarchy.

< snip>

( im not a SV but think like one and want to solve this crisis)

Then you are suggesting that the SSPX become overtly schismatic. Although it seems that they have begun the process of "starting another hierarchy" with their tribunals and other actions that clearly require jurisdiction, they proclaim their fealty to Bergoglio.

But in order to unambiguously "start another hierarchy" they would, by it's very nature, declare the See of Rome vacant and all Conciliar bishops to be outside the Church.

At the moment, even I (as a sedevacantist) am not willing to make such a declaration.

You truly have a double mind.

Its not a double minded suggestion if you remember that one is excommunicated for heresy.

How many novus ordo bishops hold the Catholic faith whole and inviolate?
How many of them are consecrated validly?

If you say that the novus ordo rites of ordination and consecration are valid, and if you say that the faith that the novus ordo clergy have is Catholic, then you render meaningless the anathemas and excommunications that were imposed by councils and popes all throughout church history, for the sake of peace, but peace with the novus ordo? WHY? they are on the level of the protestants.

How can you say all these things AND say that you're not sedevacantist?

soulguard · « **Reply #18 on:** May 21, 2014, 02:54:06 PM »

I dont know, but this is just my thought process as of late.
Time will tell where this brings me.

Francisco · « **Reply #19 on:** May 21, 2014, 10:43:02 PM »

[/quote] Hugeman

.... he's already told "Cardinal" Canizares that the ABL would have loved his Mass; and the SSPX thought-controllers have convinced a whole generation of gullible that, of all the bishops, only FELLAY received the "grace of state" to make any important actions or decisions. So what need is there for another bishop besides Bp."that man tricked me"Fellay?.... [/quote]

This conman has already forgotten about the Ottaviani Intervention which critiqued the New Mass said in Latin. He also seems to have forgotten that ABL himself may have said the New Mass, and that not all NOMs are "clown masses". And didn't the SSPX publish, about 5 years ago, a booklet criticizing the New Mass saying that it over emphasized the Pascal Mystery aspect?

soulguard · « **Reply #20 on:** May 22, 2014, 10:29:28 AM »

Quote from: Francisco

He also seems to have forgotten that ABL himself may have said the New Mass, and that not all NOMs are "clown masses". And didn't the SSPX publish, about 5 years ago, a booklet criticizing the New Mass saying that it over emphasized the Pascal Mystery aspect?

ABL said the new mass?? :stare:

Frances · « **Reply #21 on:** May 23, 2014, 09:32:20 PM »

:confused1: :dancing-banana:
How can anyone know? Why not leave it in God's Hands? We have the promise that He will never leave us or forsake us, bishops or not. Said Bp. W. recently, "Do not worry about insoluble Church problems."

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #22 on:** May 24, 2014, 03:32:54 AM »

Quote from: Francisco

Quote from: hugeman

.... he's already told "Cardinal" Canizares that the ABL would have loved his Mass; and the SSPX thought-controllers have convinced a whole generation of gullible that, of all the bishops, only FELLAY received the "grace of state" to make any important actions or decisions. So what need is there for another bishop besides Bp."that man tricked me"Fellay?....

This conman has already forgotten about the Ottaviani Intervention which critiqued the New Mass said in Latin. He also seems to have forgotten that ABL himself may have said the New Mass, and that not all NOMs are "clown masses". And didn't the SSPX publish, about 5 years ago, a booklet criticizing the New Mass saying that it over emphasized the Pascal Mystery aspect?

Their booklet 5 years ago: That was then and this is now.

.

LuAnne · « **Reply #23 on:** June 24, 2014, 04:36:03 PM »

Sedvacantism is on solid ground. If one loves Christ, His Mother and His Church, sedevacantism does not mislead nor misconstrue what has been handed on, and without exception defends the Total Deposit of faith.

Holy Mother Church does not leave us wanting.
See these Quotes from Theologians Supporting the Sedevacantist Position - http://www.cmri.org/02-sede-quotes.html#sthash.MS4qy1cm.dpuf

2Vermont · « **Reply #24 on:** June 24, 2014, 06:46:55 PM »

Quote from: LuAnne

Sedvacantism is on solid ground. If one loves Christ, His Mother and His Church, sedevacantism does not mislead nor misconstrue what has been handed on, and without exception defends the Total Deposit of faith.

Holy Mother Church does not leave us wanting.
See these Quotes from Theologians Supporting the Sedevacantist Position - http://www.cmri.org/02-sede-quotes.html#sthash.MS4qy1cm.dpuf

Thanks for that link Luanne. Through my travels I had never seen all of those quotes in one spot.

Edit: I have been to one page on that website before and now I am perusing it further. Wow...why didn't I do this sooner? :-)