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Offline Geremia

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SSPXs chief dogmatist rejects Franciss false ecuмenism
« on: October 06, 2013, 05:58:34 PM »
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  • The SSPX is starting to speak up, Deo gratias (cf. this thread):
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    Berlin (Catholic news / CBA). The "Chief Dogmatist" of the traditionalist Society of Pius X in Germany, Father Matthias Gaudron, has rejected the opening of the Catholic Church to other religions by Pope Francis. The talks between the Vatican and the Society are currently on ice, the theologian said Friday in an interview with Spiegel Online. He expressed criticism of the Pope's statements on ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity and his warning against faith as an ideology. The Catholic Church in Germany will collapse according to Gaudron in 15 to 20 years, because it has no new priests and the faithful are declining in numbers. "Many say the Church would regain members if only they would open up. But if that were so, then people would still flock en masse to the Protestant Churches," Gaudron said. He suggested the unengaging have no strength and can not inspire. Gaudron considered as "very problematic" the the Pope's rejection of an exaggerated search for security in the faith. "If the only dogmatic certainty was that God is in man, I think that's a bit little," he said. "The Pope can not change the truth of the Creed." Pope Francis had warned in an interview against seeking in "an exaggerated manner the security in doctrine", also one should not look to the "bitter lost past". "In this way, faith is one ideology among many."

    On the topic of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity Gaudron believes the Pope held a contradictory position. On one hand, he claimed that he accepted the teaching of the Catholic Church. On the other hand, Francis awakened the impression that it was okay to be gαy. "Either I stick to the theory, I can not approve of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity, or I'll have it. But then I am no longer Catholic." Gaudron appealed to the Pope to guarantee the right of priests to celebrate the Old Mass. That the talks between the Vatican and the Society are currently on ice, the theologian also shifts to the Prefect of the Congregation of Faith, Archbishop Gerhard Ludwig Müller. "He does not like us. He acts hostile towards us, since he is in Rome. "The Society of St. Pius X. was founded in 1969 by French Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre (1905-1991). It rejects the reforms of the Second Vatican Council (1962-1965). Contentious issues are especially in the liturgy, ecuмenism and religious freedom. In 1975 Rome withdrew canonical approval from it. After illicit ordinations by Lefebvre in 1976 he was prohibited the exercise of his episcopal office. By 1988 he consecrated, without papal consent, four priests as bishops of his Society, all five were charged with excommunication. Pope Benedict XVI. in 2009 as a gesture of reconciliation lifted the excommunication of the bishops of the SSPX. Since the end of 2009, there were several rounds of talks with the Vatican representatives to the Society on disputed doctrinal issues. Since spring 2012, the process has been apparently stalled.

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    SSPXs chief dogmatist rejects Franciss false ecuмenism
    « Reply #1 on: October 06, 2013, 06:08:56 PM »
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  • A bit tame for me, considering the magnitude of the scandal, but I suppose having said this much is better than not having said anything.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."


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    SSPXs chief dogmatist rejects Franciss false ecuмenism
    « Reply #2 on: October 06, 2013, 06:22:05 PM »
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  • Nothing like the Dimond Bro.'s analysis, with all its copious quotations of Mortalium Animos  :boxer::
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    « Reply #3 on: October 06, 2013, 06:40:38 PM »
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  • Quote from: SeanJohnson
    A bit tame for me, considering the magnitude of the scandal, but I suppose having said this much is better than not having said anything.



    It seems that they are just getting warmed up. We had a very good sermon in which the word "fight" was actually used again.

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    « Reply #4 on: October 06, 2013, 07:12:55 PM »
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  • Lol

    It's comedic to compare this tepid interview with Fr Hewko's recent letter.


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    « Reply #5 on: October 07, 2013, 03:31:22 AM »
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  • Perhaps the resistance has made a bigger splash in the upper ranks than previously thought??  +Fellay seems to think the Vatican is full of good guys!  :scratchchin:

     (I think it's full of guys who make Vito Corleone look like a lope-eared bunny.)

     It takes some pretty fearless folks to go up against that kind of corruption, even in a an understated way.  We' ll see how much more resistance comes out of Switzerland the more the Vatican puts the screws to the order...
    Matthew 6:34
    " Be not therefore solicitous for to morrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof."