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Offline SeanJohnson

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Re: SSPX will consecrate three bishops in June of this year ???
« Reply #120 on: June 05, 2023, 09:31:03 PM »
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  • It was a probing leak, to see what the reactions would be, in order to plan a counterintelligence response at the appointed time:

    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: SSPX will consecrate three bishops in June of this year ???
    « Reply #121 on: June 06, 2023, 09:20:10 AM »
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  • It was a probing leak, to see what the reactions would be, in order to plan a counterintelligence response at the appointed time:

    Key line in that clip, re the rumor mongers' strikeout, is that last one spoken: "It felt wrong not to swing." 
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    Re: SSPX will consecrate three bishops in June of this year ???
    « Reply #122 on: June 06, 2023, 10:43:20 AM »
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  • Excerpt from an email I sent to a priest (translated into English):


    I am convinced the rumor of June episcopal consecrations was a “probing” exercise (otherwise known as a “trial balloon”), which is a military tactic, whereby the enemy’s defenses and reactions are tested, to gauge the level of danger in preparation for the actual attack to come later.

    In this case, the Huonder holy oils consecration was the first probe.  Menzingen and Rome observe the reaction.  Then, around the same time, a “leak” regarding episcopal consecrations is permitted.  Once again, Rome and Menzingen observe.  They analyze the arguments of the Resistance, as well as those from within the SSPX.

    Rome and Menzingen have thereby accomplished two things (both of which are important tactical victories):

    • They are ALREADY preparing the faithful for eventual consecrations by keeping the conversation in the public domain and raising expectations for their eventuality (just as +Fellay did by his constant conferences about “relations with Rome”);
    • They now have time to analyze our objections, and prepare counterattacks against them.

    One has to admire the tactical acuмen with which the captors of Tradition operate.”



    As a friend mentions, “Cassman and Kennedy must have been pretty confident in their sources to stake their reputations on it.”

    The consecrations are coming, but Rome and Menzingen are still conducting the air raid, and have judged that the time for boots on the ground is not yet propitious.
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    Re: SSPX will consecrate three bishops in June of this year ???
    « Reply #123 on: June 06, 2023, 11:39:47 AM »
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  • As a friend mentions, “Cassman and Kennedy must have been pretty confident in their sources to stake their reputations on it.”

    Or, more likely, their unimpeachable sources were just getting their information from the same rumor mill that everyone else was.

    It takes just one person speculating before, one or two steps into the proverbial "telephone game", it becomes "certainty from highly-placed sources". 

    We've had the canonical regularization being imminent now for well over a decade, and that hasn't happened either.

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    Re: SSPX will consecrate three bishops in June of this year ???
    « Reply #124 on: June 06, 2023, 11:43:05 AM »
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  • As expected. Think about it: why would something as important as consecrating three bishops be announced with such little notice? If it were to happen.

    Right.  That's what I said about Cassman announcing the June consecration on the last day of May.  There's no way that it would be announced on such short notice, if for nothing else the logistics of allowing various individuals to participate (priests leaving their normal Mass circuits, faithful taking time off from their jobs, people making hotel reservations, etc.)


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    Re: SSPX will consecrate three bishops in June of this year ???
    « Reply #125 on: June 06, 2023, 11:59:27 AM »
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  • We've had the canonical regularization being imminent now for well over a decade, and that hasn't happened either.

    Not so sure about that.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: SSPX will consecrate three bishops in June of this year ???
    « Reply #126 on: June 06, 2023, 12:34:40 PM »
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  • Again, IF and I mean IF this does come to pass, the bishops will be complete Conciliar sellouts. There is no way Rome would permit real Trad bishop(s) to be consecrated.
    And we all know with 100% certainty that the SSPX is NOT the SSPX of 1988, fearless and defiant in the face of Modernist Rome's evil wishes.
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    Re: SSPX will consecrate three bishops in June of this year ???
    « Reply #127 on: June 06, 2023, 02:40:53 PM »
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  • Again, IF and I mean IF this does come to pass, the bishops will be complete Conciliar sellouts. There is no way Rome would permit real Trad bishop(s) to be consecrated.
    And we all know with 100% certainty that the SSPX is NOT the SSPX of 1988, fearless and defiant in the face of Modernist Rome's evil wishes.
    Yes exactly,
    when I talk to people still in the SSPX they don't want to admit that the SSPX is not the same. The most I have gotten is a small recognition of change but then that was followed up with "Bp. Fellay has good intentions".
    It is quit interesting to see how Bishop Williamson was correct when he said that the SSPX is going through what could be called a Vatican II B.


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    Re: SSPX will consecrate three bishops in June of this year ???
    « Reply #128 on: June 06, 2023, 10:53:18 PM »
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  • From

    https://twitter.com/AsTheRain1/status/1666054338219786240




    “Admit nothing as the truth unless it has been proved to you as such…Indeed, the Blessed Virgin, at the time of the Annunciation, begins by mistrusting…”

    Umm…what?






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    Re: SSPX will consecrate three bishops in June of this year ???
    « Reply #129 on: June 06, 2023, 10:54:52 PM »
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  • From

    https://twitter.com/AsTheRain1/status/1666054338219786240




    “Admit nothing as the truth unless it has been proved to you as such…Indeed, the Blessed Virgin, at the time of the Annunciation, begins by mistrusting…”

    Umm…what?









    Good catch.

    Yeah, that was a bit…………odd.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: SSPX will consecrate three bishops in June of this year ???
    « Reply #130 on: June 18, 2023, 09:57:02 AM »
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  • Excerpt from an email I sent to a priest (translated into English):


    I am convinced the rumor of June episcopal consecrations was a “probing” exercise (otherwise known as a “trial balloon”), which is a military tactic, whereby the enemy’s defenses and reactions are tested, to gauge the level of danger in preparation for the actual attack to come later.

    In this case, the Huonder holy oils consecration was the first probe.  Menzingen and Rome observe the reaction.  Then, around the same time, a “leak” regarding episcopal consecrations is permitted.  Once again, Rome and Menzingen observe.  They analyze the arguments of the Resistance, as well as those from within the SSPX.

    Rome and Menzingen have thereby accomplished two things (both of which are important tactical victories):

    • They are ALREADY preparing the faithful for eventual consecrations by keeping the conversation in the public domain and raising expectations for their eventuality (just as +Fellay did by his constant conferences about “relations with Rome”);
    • They now have time to analyze our objections, and prepare counterattacks against them.

    One has to admire the tactical acuмen with which the captors of Tradition operate.”



    As a friend mentions, “Cassman and Kennedy must have been pretty confident in their sources to stake their reputations on it.”

    The consecrations are coming, but Rome and Menzingen are still conducting the air raid, and have judged that the time for boots on the ground is not yet propitious.

    On the same subject, Fr. Dominique Rousseau (Resistance in France and Switzerland) has published a short paper making two similar and interesting observations:

    1) Regarding the recent denial by Fr. Gleize (SSPX - Econe) of any impending episcopal consecrations on June 30, Fr. Rousseau says that it is Fr. Gleize himself who is fibbing in his satirical denial, since on no occassion did any Resistance source ever advance June 30 as a date for consecrations!  Fr. Gleize seems to have pulled this date out of thin air, only to attack a reported date never made by a Resistance source!

    2) He also concurs with me that the Huonder holy oil consecrations were a probe/trial balloon, and that because of discreet but real resistance by SSPX priests to the use of these questionable oils (some of whom are now turning to Avrille, +Faure, and Econe for alternative sourcing), +Huonder will not be present at the June 29th Econe priestly ordinations.  So the General House is stepping back, and going into "reasssurance mode" (as it has so many times in the last 15 years: two steps forward, one step back."

    Regarding this technique, I once wrote:


    "At particularly delicate times for the “ralliement” process of the absorption of the SSPX into conciliarism (i.e., times when revolt within the SSPX threatens to break through any containment or suppression effort), Bishop Fellay tells the world that all negotiation has fallen flat, in order to try and dissipate the outrage, and regroup.

    In the summer of 2012, we had the “Letter of the Three Bishops” to Bishop Fellay and the General Counsel (and the scandalous response of the latter), shortly before a General Chapter which threatened to displace the Vatican’s man inside the SSPX (for, as Rome has said of him, “Bishop Fellay is a man we can deal with”).

    Consequently, in order to salvage the capture of the SSPX, Rome backed off the accord, and Bishop Fellay announced:

    “There has been a lot of back and forth, exchanges, letters and protests, but we are back to square one.”
    -Bishop Fellay (Ordination Sermon, Econe, 6/29/12)
    Since the 2012 “square one” ploy, we learned that the SSPX had gained jurisdiction to try its own priests in some instances; jurisdiction to hear confessions; approval to ordain priests; lost one bishop and two district superiors and several formerly allied religious communities; gained endorsements from modernist conciliar bishops and cardinals (e.g., Schneider and Brandmuller); met with the Pope personally in Rome; endorsed the sellout accord which has been on the table for years; tried to calm the nerves of parishioners and laity by claiming that such a gesture could not possibly be a trap; etc., etc.
    And for the most part, the suckers (clereical and lay) have swallowed it all, hook, line, and sinker.
    Now comes the latest crisis over diocesan regulated marriages in SSPX chapels (which subject both clergy and laity to diocesan control and influence).  In France, marriages are rejected by some SSPX priests when couples reject the diocesan delegation; Menzingen has had to go quietly over the heads of the local pastors to avoid opposition, and obtain these delegations for all these marriages at the District level (which is how your SSPX pastor can look you in the eye, and tell you he “has received no instruction in this regard from his superiors:” They are being circuмvented).
    Yet, discord continued to grow, so Bishop Fellay went back to his favorite ordinations day speech:
    “It is like in the Game of the Goose. We were almost at the end and then we landed on the ‘go back to start’ square. Everything has fallen to the ground, it is necessary to begin again from square one.”
    -Bishop Fellay (After ordination luncheon, Econe, 6/29/17)
    When Bishop Fellay says we are back to square one, you had better hold onto your hat: It means either that the deal is almost completed (and it is, if only Bishop Fellay could betray enough of Tradition to modernist Rome to convince them to accept his signature), or, that a deluge of “progress” is about to decapitate those who have dared to stick their necks out.
    “Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.”
    Bishop Williamson has observed that the crisis in the SSPX resembles in all aspects the crisis in the Church after Vatican II.
    One aspect in that analogy which ought not be lost sight of is this:
    If it was said of the Church after the council that it was betrayed by those who should have defended it, then surely the same thing applies to the fate of the SSPX (and all those who believe we are “back to square one”).
    But as I read somewhere recently (I cannot recall the citation, but the observation is not my own), we are only back to square one when Menzingen rejects ordinary jurisdiction for confession; rejects the pastoral guidelines for marriages; repeals the 2012 General Chapter Declaration; reaffirms there can be no accord with Rome before it returns to the Faith; reinstates Bishop Williamson and all those it expelled; etc. etc. etc.
    If you really believe the SSPX is back to square one in the ralliement process, you are a sucker.
    Just as the crisis in the Church cannot be healed until Rome surrenders the false doctrines of Vatican II, and recovers its tradition, neither can the crisis in the SSPX be overcome until it retraces its steps, jettisons all its compromised positions, and re-embraces the tradition it has jettisoned.
    But anyone should be able to see that this is nowhere near happening, and quite the contrary, all the momentum in Menzingen is heading in the opposite direction.
    Back to square one?
    They have a word for people who allow themselves to believe such fairy tales."

    https://sodalitium-pianum.com/back-to-square-one/


    PS: For those who would like to read Fr. Rousseau's short article, here is the link: https://en.saintjoseph-tradition.org/_files/ugd/543a53_355bfb2f5cca469ab117675af033fc46.pdf 
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    Re: SSPX will consecrate three bishops in June of this year ???
    « Reply #131 on: June 18, 2023, 10:08:04 AM »
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  • Absolutely unbelievable ... and blasphemous.  Our Lady didn't mistrust anything.  She simply didn't understand initially how it would be possible for her to conceive when she had already vowed lifelong virginity to God.

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    Re: SSPX will consecrate three bishops in June of this year ???
    « Reply #132 on: June 18, 2023, 10:09:43 AM »
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  • 1) Regarding the recent denial by Fr. Gleize (SSPX - Econe) of any impending episcopal consecrations on June 30, Fr. Rousseau says that it is Fr. Gleize himself who is fibbing in his satirical denial, since on no occassion did any Resistance source ever advance June 30 as a date for consecrations!  Fr. Gleize seems to have pulled this date out of thin air, only to attack a reported date never made by a Resistance source!

    Not June 30 per se, but the month of June for sure.

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    Re: SSPX will consecrate three bishops in June of this year ???
    « Reply #133 on: June 18, 2023, 10:12:49 AM »
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  • Not June 30 per se, but the month of June for sure.

    Right, but Fr. Gleize made up the June 30 date out of thin air.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: SSPX will consecrate three bishops in June of this year ???
    « Reply #134 on: June 18, 2023, 10:18:16 AM »
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  • Right, but Fr. Gleize made up the June 30 date out of thin air.

    Yeah, I had never heard that date before.