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OABrownson1876 · « **Reply #60 on:** April 07, 2023, 10:39:25 AM »

Quote from: Gloria Tibi Domine on March 27, 2023, 10:50:04 AM

Form And Essential Words For Ordaining Priests
(PIUS XII)
Pius XII stated that “the form consists of the words of the Preface, of which these are essential and required for validity”: “Da, quaesumus, omnipotens Pater, in hos famulos tuos presbyterii dignitatem. Innova in visceribus eorum spiritum sanctitatis, ut acceptum a te, Deus, secundi meriti munus obtineant; censuramque morum exemplo suae conversationis insinuent” (Grant, we beseech Thee, Almighty Father, to these Thy servants, the dignity of the priesthood; renew the spirit of holiness within them so that they may obtain the office of the second rank received from Thee, O God, and may, by the example of their lives inculcate the pattern of holy living).
Similarly, in the ordination of bishops, the same infallible docuмent states that “the form consists of the words of the Preface of which the following are essential and therefore necessary for validity”: “Comple in sacerdote tuo ministerii tui summum, et ornamentis totius glorificationis instructum coelestis unguenti rore sanctific” (Fill up in Thy priest the perfection [summum can also be translated “fullness”] of Thy ministry and sanctify him with the dew of Thy heavenly ointment, this thy servant decked out with the ornaments of all beauty).
It should be stressed that Pius XII in no way changed the rite—indeed, he stressed that the rite was to remain intact. At the end of the docuмent he states:

Not quite sure what book this translation is from, but unless we have forgotten our Latin, there is one critical phrase which has been left untranslated, ut acceptum a te, "So that having been accepted by you." This phrase indicates a past completed action and precedes the subjunctive action, "so that they may obtain..." (obtineant). This is my problem with so many of the Latin mistranslations. I am not attributing ill will to this translator, but very often a mistranslation is willful and thus sinful. Perhaps we are missing something here, but doubtful.

OABrownson1876 · « **Reply #61 on:** April 07, 2023, 12:08:49 PM »

Correction, I did find the translated text in the aforesaid quote, but I would not have translated the subjunctive (hypothetical) text prior to the completed action. In the Latin the completed action comes before, and, in my opinion, should be the same in the translation. The "acceptum" refers to the second operative verb, Innova, "Make new." It should be translated beginning with Innova, "Make new in their bowels the spirit of sanctity, so that having been accepted by You, Lord, they may obtain the gift of the second rank."

Gloria Tibi Domine · « **Reply #62 on:** April 07, 2023, 01:01:06 PM »

OABrownson1876-

Here is a link to the book the quote is from.

Gloria Tibi Domine · « **Reply #63 on:** April 07, 2023, 01:11:04 PM »

For some reason the link didn't copy.

The name of the book is:

"The Problems With the Other Sacramnets: Apart From the New Mass"

By Rama P. Coomaraswamy

Avalable from Amazon.

OABrownson1876 · « **Reply #64 on:** April 07, 2023, 02:11:45 PM »

Thanks GTD, I will try and pick this up. I like Dr. Coomaraswamy. I have some personal letters between Dr. C and Mother Teresa. Dr. C lost some of his own family members to the Novus Ordo because they fell into the Mother Teresa liberalism trap. Mother Teresa was in support of the Paul VI revolution and Dr. C called her out on it.

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