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Offline Maria Auxiliadora

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New 1962 Missal?
« Reply #60 on: August 01, 2012, 08:50:29 PM »
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  • From Rorate Caeli 8/1/12
    http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/


    On the Feast of All Saints (1st November), an international 'Summorum Pontificuм' pilgrimage to Rome

    The Coetus Internationalis pro Summorum Pontificuм has just been constituted in Rome by representatives of several associations of faithful, including the International Federation Una Voce and the Italian Coordinamento Summorum Pontificuм in order to organize an international pilgrimage of associations, groups and movements supporting 'Summorum Pontificuм' and His Holiness Benedict XVI to mark the Year of Faith.  The pilgrimage will conclude on Saturday, November 3, 2012, with a Mass in St. Peter' Basilica. An official presentation of the event will take place on September 10 in Rome.

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    Will this be the Inauguration of the "New 1962 Missal"?
    Remember that BXVI has never publicly celebrated the 1962 Missal.



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    « Reply #61 on: August 02, 2012, 05:42:00 AM »
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  • These are some of the comments on Rorate Caeli on the above article, I'll put the link again because the one above does not go through: http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2012/08/international-summorum-pontificuм.html


    I'm posting again because I neglected to mention last night about the petitions to BXVI to do the Mass according to the 1962 Missal. I put the same comment on RC as I did on CathInfo in my previous post (above) and as you can see, it has been removed. They are terrified of the "new 1962 Missal" cat getting out of the bag before the SSPX comes "back into the church" because they know it's going to backfire on them and +Fellay's plans to bring the SSPX into the "reform of the reform". These "conservatives" know that if the SSPX under +Fellay joins them, their reform will be more successful.



    Demasi said...

    The Holy Father could celebrate a TLM. Here is the petition with 488 signatures, being more than 350 in the last 3 days.
    02 August, 2012 01:07

    Marie Auxiliadora said...
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     02 August, 2012 01:40


    Jeanne d'Arc said...

    I'm so glad that someone started this petition to the Holy Father! It would be such a blessing!
    02 August, 2012 01:56

    Alan Aversa said...

    Deo volente the Holy Father will celebrate a 1962 Rite Mass then.
    02 August, 2012 02:01
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    New 1962 Missal?
    « Reply #62 on: August 02, 2012, 06:00:41 AM »
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  • Quote from: Marie Auxiliadora
    These are some of the comments on Rorate Caeli on the above article, I'll put the link again because the one above does not go through: http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2012/08/international-summorum-pontificuм.html


    I'm posting again because I neglected to mention last night about the petitions to BXVI to do the Mass according to the 1962 Missal. I put the same comment on RC as I did on CathInfo in my previous post (above) and as you can see, it has been removed. They are terrified of the "new 1962 Missal" cat getting out of the bag before the SSPX comes "back into the church" because they know it's going to backfire on them and +Fellay's plans to bring the SSPX into the "reform of the reform". These "conservatives" know that if the SSPX under +Fellay joins them, their reform will be more successful.



    Demasi said...

    The Holy Father could celebrate a TLM. Here is the petition with 488 signatures, being more than 350 in the last 3 days.
    02 August, 2012 01:07

    Marie Auxiliadora said...
    This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.
     02 August, 2012 01:40


    Jeanne d'Arc said...

    I'm so glad that someone started this petition to the Holy Father! It would be such a blessing!
    02 August, 2012 01:56

    Alan Aversa said...

    Deo volente the Holy Father will celebrate a 1962 Rite Mass then.
    02 August, 2012 02:01


    Gets better!
    I just noticed this comment on the same article:

    Augustinus said...

    Maria Auxiliadora:
    Accusations without any proof against the Holy Father will not be tolerated here. I suggest you go back to the "Cathinfo" hole where you came from. Don't ever return to Rorate!
    02 August, 2012 06:32

    My "accusation against the Holy Father" was this:
    "Will this be the Inauguration of the 'New 1962 Missal'? Remember that BXVI has never publicly celebrated the 1962 Missal". Get my point?
    The love of God be your motivation, the will of God your guiding principle, the glory of God your goal.
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    New 1962 Missal?
    « Reply #63 on: August 02, 2012, 07:59:46 AM »
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  • Quote from: Marie Auxiliadora

    Maria Auxiliadora:
    Accusations without any proof against the Holy Father will not be tolerated here. I suggest you go back to the "Cathinfo" hole where you came from. Don't ever return to Rorate!
    02 August, 2012 06:32

    My "accusation against the Holy Father" was this:
    "Will this be the Inauguration of the 'New 1962 Missal'? Remember that BXVI has never publicly celebrated the 1962 Missal". Get my point?


    Marie, I think you've gotten them to admit their plot. Thanks for re-posting all this here.

    It's amusing that some uncensored Rorate commentators have handles like "OnEaglesWings" - ugh!

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    « Reply #64 on: August 02, 2012, 01:12:17 PM »
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    Quote from: Marie Auxiliadora

    Maria Auxiliadora:
    Accusations without any proof against the Holy Father will not be tolerated here. I suggest you go back to the "Cathinfo" hole where you came from. Don't ever return to Rorate!
    02 August, 2012 06:32

    My "accusation against the Holy Father" was this:
    "Will this be the Inauguration of the 'New 1962 Missal'? Remember that BXVI has never publicly celebrated the 1962 Missal". Get my point?


    Marie, I think you've gotten them to admit their plot. Thanks for re-posting all this here.

    It's amusing that some uncensored Rorate commentators have handles like "OnEaglesWings" - ugh!


    He might use a goofy handle but he asks the best question on the page, so far
    (second place, that is to "Will this be the Inauguration of the 'New 1962 Missal'?"):

    OnEaglesWings said...

        What a fabulous idea, this petition is!
        What would be also grand, since both NO and TLM are supposed to be on the same footing (per the Vatican), is if all the priests were required to say the TLM at least once a year. This would sure take care of the "liberal left" and see if they are truly loyal to the Vicar of Christ and the Church. If this is unreasonable, then why are TLM priests mandated to say the NO at least once a year? That, to me, is not being on the same footing.

        It's no longer a question of loyalty with TLM side, is it? Why not raise the bar a bit from the rest out there?

        If the two are equal, why not apply it as such?
        02 August, 2012 05:18



    If "the two are equal," they don't apply it as such because the two are not equal.
    This is what happens when you deny the principle of non-contradiction, as B16
    does.

    I think he's touching on a sore spot. The rules are announced for all kinds of
    things, but the only rules that are enforced are the ones that penalize Trads.

    So,
    even if there is a new rule that the TLM ("EF") has to be celebrated once a year
    by all priests, there would be no penalty or adverse consequence for those who
    ignore the rule. That is, no consequence would be APPLIED. They might SAY
    there will be a consequence, but it would be only talk, and no action. This is how
    all issues are handled in the past, so why would it be different now?

    And no, this would not be allowed on Rorate, where censorship squelches anything
    that takes the topic to its logical conclusion. I'm surprised they allowed
    OnEaglesWings to say as much as he did say. Maybe it's because his handle
    is so mushy, they can't help themselves but to be nice to him?? HAHAHAHA
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    « Reply #65 on: August 02, 2012, 01:40:35 PM »
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  • Quote from: TKGS
    Thank you everyone for your responses, especially Marie Auxiliadora and stevusmagnus.

    I had been aware of only a little of what was posted.  It appears that the Conciliar vatican is even more insidious than I had imagined.  Frankly, this information makes the Bishop Fellay initiative even more disturbing.  Clearly, the vatican wishes to use the SSPX to develop the "reform of the reform".

    The only thing, I think, that will thwart such efforts will ultimately be the lesser known organizations, such as the CMRI, and the many independent priests who will reject these initiatives.


    It's interesting you mention CMRI in this 1962 missal discussion.

    Has anyone noticed that CMRI priests follow the rubrics of the 1962 missal including
    the innovations that ultimately led up to the Novus Ordo liturgy?

    All of the CMRI Masses I have been to have used John 1 for the "Last Gospel,"
    regardless of the Feast Day or the traditional class distinctions.
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    Offline Maria Auxiliadora

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    « Reply #66 on: August 17, 2012, 08:38:24 PM »
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  • I'm aware of this article already being posted but thought it would be good to continue the discussion on this thread. Thank you Kelley for posting it.

    http://eponymousflower.blogspot.com/2012/08/new-missal-planned-for-next-summer.html

    Thursday, August 16, 2012
    Revised Traditional Missal Planned for Next Summer in Rome?

    This is a translation from the usually well-informed German summorumpontificuм.de, who says that their own well-informed source has some information about the new Missal, which was coupled with their announcement of the good news of the formal recognition of Papa Stronsay at the Diocese of Aberdeen in Scottland.

    The less good news is that the work on "a new edition of the Old Missal" has so far progressed enough that it will be published next summer so that it can be used in 2013.  The key points of alteration:

    -  Allowance of the usage of new prefaces for all feasts, which correspond to the Novus Ordo prefaces;

    - General allowance of the Traditional Mass to be celebrated "versus populum";

    - Permission to say the Liturgy of the Word in the language of the people [which facilitates the use of the Cramner table];
    The desire for "liturgical engineering" in the appropriate Vatican authorities therefore seems unchanged -- at least in so far as it relates to a direction "away from Tradition".
    Link to summorum-pontificuм.de....

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    The article below, posted in part (link provided) is from September 2011, within days from the Vatican giving + Fellay the "Doctrinal Preamble"

    http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2011/09/updated-1962-missal-coming-soon.html

    The 'updated' 1962 Missal: Coming soon?


    Universae Ecclesiae, citing Benedict XVI's letter to the bishops on the occasion of the publication of Summorum Pontificuм, mentioned that "New saints and certain of the new prefaces can and ought to be inserted into the 1962 Missal, according to provisions which will be indicated subsequently." However, UE didn't mention that a commission to effect this was already established last year.


    From Sandro Magister's latest article on Chiesa:

    VATICAN CITY, September 19, 2011 – "The activity of the Holy See" is a hefty volume that gives a year-by-year account of the actions of the pope and the Roman curia. It is an "unofficial publication," as specified on the frontispiece, but in spite of this it contains not a little information, sometimes rather unusual, that cannot be found in other Vatican sources.

    To verify this it is enough to leaf through the latest edition, on the activities of 2010, which has just been printed by Libreria Editrice Vaticana (1343 pp., 80.00 euro).

    In it we learn, for example:

    - that a joint commission was set up, with experts of the commission "Ecclesia Dei" and of the congregation for divine worship, for the "updating" of the commemorations of the saints and the "possible insertion of new prefaces" into the preconciliar Roman missal of 1962, to which Benedict XVI gave full citizenship in 2007.
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    New 1962 Missal?
    « Reply #67 on: August 18, 2012, 06:18:39 AM »
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  • Quote from: Neil Obstat
    Quote from: Ferdinand
    Regarding the 1962 missal (or any bastard version of it).  

    An exercise:  Start using Dom Guerange's 15 volume Liturgical Year at Mass as opposed to the Vatican II/transitional missal of "Blessed John XXIII (the second)/Archbishop Annibale Bugnini" (likely roomates in the hereafter).

    Firstly, the beauty of liturgy will come alive, then sorrow... that so much has been lost, and gradually as your sensus fidelium starts to kick in, a Holy Anger will certainly overcome you.  



    Excellent suggestion! I think I'm going to try that out. I know several people who
    use their Liturgical year books as a daily missal. Mine set on the shelf most
    of the time, and I don't think I've ever read one of them all the way through.

    In the mean time, I think it would be great for each one of us to call Angelus Press
    tomorrow, or this week  sometime, and ask them when the half-price sale starts on
    their obsolete 1962 missals. That should give them something to think about.
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    Leaving the Boyz Club of little popes. SWAK.


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    « Reply #68 on: September 10, 2012, 10:07:28 AM »
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  • An update to this thread. At last! from CFN for those who have not read it.

    http://www.cfnews.org/page10/page59/hybridtridentinemass.html

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    Pope Benedict’s “long-term aim is not simply to allow the old and new rites to coexist,
    but to move toward a ‘common rite’ that is shaped by the mutual enrichment
    of the two Mass forms...” – Cardinal Koch


    Revised Traditional Missal Planned
    for Next Summer in Rome?
    The Principle of Gradualism • Toward A Hybrid Mass




    By John Vennari

    The Eponymous Flower posted a translation from the “usually well-informed” German Summorum Pontificuм website (summorumpontificuм.de) about possible changes in the Tridentine Mass that are proposed by the Vatican for next summer.

    According to the August 16 report, “a new edition of the Old Missal has so far progressed enough that it will be published next summer so that it can be used in 2013.” The key points of alteration:

    • Allowance of the usage of new prefaces for all feasts, which correspond to the Novus Ordo prefaces;

    • General allowance of the Traditional Mass to be celebrated "versus populum" [Mass facing the people];

    • Permission to say the 'Liturgy of the Word' [the Mass up to and including the Creed] in the language of the people [which facilitates the use of the Cramner table];[1]


    We already saw one of these proposals last year. The Pontifical Commission of Ecclesia Dei stated in a formal instruction of April 30, 2011: “New saints and certain of the new prefaces can and ought to be inserted into the 1962 Missal, according to provisions which will be indicated subsequently.”[2]

    We appear to be entering a 1965-styled “transitional Mass” all over again; the principle of gradualism is at work once more. Yet no well-informed Catholic should find this surprising.

    The proposed changes in liturgy go hand-in-glove with Pope Benedict’s “reform of the reform” as explained by Cardinal Koch, president of the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity. Catholic News Service reported on May 14, 2011:

    “Pope Benedict XVI's easing of restrictions on use of the 1962 Roman Missal, known as the Tridentine rite, is just the first step in a ‘reform of the reform’ in liturgy, the Vatican's top ecuмenist said.

    “The pope's long-term aim is not simply to allow the old and new rites to coexist, but to move toward a ‘common rite’ that is shaped by the mutual enrichment of the two Mass forms...”[3]

    Pope Benedict’s “reform of the reform” that seeks to save Vatican II’s Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy is consistent with his approach to the Council in general, as we will demonstrate.

    Yet the whole purpose of Vatican II’s Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy – as is clear from its true draftsmen – was to usher in a ecuмenical Liturgical Revolution that had been in the works for decades.[4]

    In 1966, Father Annibale Bugnini, a central architect of the New Mass, boasted that the purpose of Vatican II’s Constitution of the Sacred Liturgy was to usher in “the boldest and most fundamental liturgical reform of all times.”[5]

    Benedict’s Claim: No Rupture, but Continuity

    Throughout the years since Vatican II, Pope Benedict XVI has been constant in his claim that the “correct” position for the Catholic is neither clinging to the Church prior to the Council that would dismiss all or part of Vatican II, nor the extreme liberal approach that sees Vatican II as a new “starting from zero”, but the Church of today. This is the Church in light of the Council that avoids these two “extremes”. For him, Sacred Tradition is not the center of gravity that must interpret all things, but Vatican II. For him, Vatican II represents no rupture with the past, but continuity.

    By contrast the Traditional Catholic position holds the Catholic Faith taught “in the same meaning and in the same explanation”[6] throughout the centuries as the absolute criteria for Catholic Truth. Anything from Vatican II that fits this criterion may be regarded as true.[7] Anything that does not fit may be questioned. This was what we learned from Council Secretary Archbishop Felici.

    At the end of Vatican II, the Council Fathers asked Archbishop (later-Cardinal) Felici for what theologians call the theological note of the Council. In other words, what is the status of the Vatican II docuмents?

    Cardinal Felici replied, “We have to distinguish according to the schemas and the chapters those which already have been the subject of dogmatic definitions in the past; as for the declarations which have a novel character, we have to make reservations.”[8]

    Thus, Cardinal Felici recognized that Vatican II contained novelties no Catholic is bound to accept. These novelties, such as ecuмenism, religious liberty, and its new approach to Judaism (that implies Jєωs need not convert to Catholicism for salvation), are contrary to what the Church always taught, and have proved disastrous for the Church and for souls.

    Pope Benedict, however, has always claimed, and continues to claim, that the Vatican II docuмents must be the center of gravity. Pope Benedict’s position about the centrality of Vatican II is consistent over the decades. He repeats this same point again and again. Yet too many well-meaning Catholics read into his words what they want to read, and falsely view him as a Pope of Tradition, or that he has now suddenly changed to a more traditionalist position. Sadly, this is not the case.

    We will take a quick look at Joseph Ratzinger’s statements over a thirty year span, from 1975 to 2005. His approach to the Council is consistent, it does not change.

    1975-2005

    In 1975, then Father Ratzinger wrote, “It is impossible (for the Catholic) to take a position for Vatican II and against Trent or Vatican I. Whoever accepts Vatican II, as it is clearly expressed and understood itself, accepts the whole binding tradition of the Catholic Church, particularly also the two previous Councils. And that also applies to the so-called ‘progressivism’, at least in its extreme form.”

    Second, said Father Ratzinger, “It is impossible to decide in favor of Trent and Vatican I, but against Vatican II. Whoever denies Vatican II denies the authority that upholds the other two councils and thereby detaches them from their foundation. And this applies to the so-called ‘traditionalism’, also in its extreme forms.”[9]

    Ten years later, in the 1985 Ratzinger Report, Vittorio Messori explains that Cardinal Ratzinger repeatedly insists “it is not Vatican II and it’s docuмents that are problematic,” but these problems “lie in the manifold [bad] interpretation” of the docuмents.”[10] The Ratzinger Report’s chapter on the Council carries the subheading “Not Rupture, but Continuity”.[11]

    We see here in 1985 the exact same theme Pope Benedict returns to in his famous December 22, 2005 speech against the “hermeneutic of rupture” in favor of a “hermeneutic of reform” and continuity. For now we repeat his words of 1985.

    Cardinal Ratzinger said in 1985, “To defend the true tradition of the Church means to defend the Council.” Against any notion of rupture, “there is instead a continuity that allows neither a return to the past nor a flight forward… We must remain faithful to the today of the Church, not the yesterday or tomorrow. And this today of the Church is the docuмents of Vatican II, without reservations that amputate them and without aberrations that distort them.”[12]

    He places Archbishop Lefebvre and the SSPX among those who would “amputate” parts of the Council by reservation, and rejects this as unacceptable. [In fact, this is the crux of the present SSPX/Rome discussions.] Cardinal Ratzinger goes on to explain in 1985 that he must defend the “true” Council in an effort to undermine the SSPX position: “This places the further obligation upon us to show the true face of the Council; thus one will be able to cut the ground from under these false protests.”[13]

    Cardinal Ratzinger also said in 1985 there can be “no restoration” in the sense of turning back prior to Vatican II. Rather, “by restoration” we must mean “the search for a new balance…”[14]

    We can at least give credit to Cardinal Ratzinger for never changing his position. It is consistent throughout the years up to the present.

    In October 1985, Archbishop Lefebvre submitted to the Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith a docuмent that contained thirty-nine doubts (dubia) concerning incongruities between Vatican II’s new doctrine on Religious Liberty and the consistent teaching of the Church from the past.

    Rome replied to Archbishop Lefebvre’s Dubia with a fifty-page docuмent that considered none of the doubts in particular. Cardinal Ratzinger’s office admitted that Vatican II’s doctrine of religious liberty was “incontestably a novelty”, but claimed it was the outcome of “doctrinal development of continuity.”[15]

    Archbishop Lefebvre considered this response even more scandalous than the pan-religious prayer meeting at Assisi. “For it is one thing to perform a serious and scandalous act,” said the Archbishop, “but quite another thing to affirm false principles that in practice have disastrous consequences,” which is the practical overturning of the Social Kingship of Our Lord Jesus Christ and the “pantheon of all religions”.[16]

    Fast forward to 2005, we see the same theme of “no rupture, but continuity” in Pope Benedict’ now-famous Christmas speech of December 22, 2005. Here he lays out the program of his pontificate. Here he once again insists there has been a “hermeneutic [interpretation] of discontinuity and rupture” that has distorted the true Council. What we must have instead is the “hermeneutic of reform”, or “renewal in continuity” so that the Council is not “misunderstood.” Yet Pope Benedict spends a good part of this December speech praising the Council’s new approach to the world, its new approach to Religious Liberty, and its new approach to Judaism, which are rightly regarded as some of the most revolutionary aspects of Vatican II.[17 ]

    Thus we see Pope Benedict’s consistent claim that there is no turning back regarding Vatican II, and that we must “search for a new balance” to establish a “renewal in continuity”. It is fair to deduce this as the thinking behind Benedict’s plan to create a “‘common rite’ that is shaped by the “mutual enrichment of the two Mass forms,” a new balance of the old and the new.

    A Ten-Year Program of Gradualism?

    As noted, Cardinal Koch revealed Pope Benedict’s “long-term plan” to “move toward a common rite.”

    Another piece of evidence shows that Pope Benedict would favor a long period of gradualism to this Hybrid Mass. It comes from a letter written by Cardinal Ratzinger in 1999, in which the Cardinal agrees it would have been smarter for the period of liturgical change from the Tridentine to the Novus Ordo to have been a gradual process over ten years.

    Fr. Matias Auge CMF, a veteran professor of liturgy in Rome, former consultant to the Congregation for Divine Worship and disciple of the reformers of the 1960's, published an exchange of letters that he had with then-Cardinal Ratzinger on the topic of the reform of the sacred liturgy.” In his February 18, 1999 letter to Fr. Auge, Cardinal Ratzinger said the following:

    “…a considerable number of the Catholic faithful, especially those of French, English, and German nationality and language remain strongly attached to the old liturgy, and the Pope does not intend to repeat what happened in 1970 when the new liturgy was imposed in an extremely abrupt way, with a transition time of only six months, whereas the prestigious Liturgical Institute in Trier had rightly proposed a transition time of ten years (if I am not mistaken) for such an undertaking, one that touches in a vital way the heart of the Faith.”[18]

    It is fair to surmise that Pope Benedict’s “move toward a ‘common rite’ that is shaped by the mutual enrichment of the two Mass forms” may be rolled out within the framework of gradualism that could last ten years; getting traditional Catholics used to it little by little, so that the full alleged intention of Vatican II’s Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy can be realized.

    Yet if we are to “return to the authentic texts of Vatican II,”[19] it is useful to ask: what is the true nature of Vatican II’s Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy? We already have Archbishop Bugnini’s statement that it’s purpose was to usher in “the boldest and most fundamental liturgical reform of all times.”

    Likewise, the following Protestant testimony is instructive, as it demonstrates the Schema itself as tinged with Protestant-friendly propositions. This should be no surprise, since Father Ratzinger in 1966 lauded the fact that the Council texts were drawn up to be open to the ecuмenical orientation.[20]

    Protestant Testimony

    John Moorman, an Anglican “Bishop” from Yorkshire, England, was a Protestant Observer at the Second Vatican Council.

    In 1963, he wrote a revealing article for The Thomist entitled “An Observer Looks at the Schema on the Liturgy.” This article, and others like it, help to explain the true nature of Vatican II’s liturgical reform from the beginning.

    Moorman opens by expressing satisfaction that the Catholic Church is finally getting involved with the Ecuмenical Movement. This is significant, notes Moorman, as Rome had remained aloof from the Ecuмenical Movement since its inception.

    He also expresses a certain satisfaction that he is well aware that his presence – that is, the presence of Protestant Observers at the Council — is having a silent influence on the speeches of the Council Fathers. This is one of the reasons why Protestant Observers should not have been there. The bishops should have been able to speak freely without any external intimidation.

    Anglican John Moorman says in praise of Vatican II’s Schema on the Liturgy:

    “The Schema on the Liturgy is a remarkable docuмent. As a student of history, and to some extent, a traveler in Europe, I know something about Roman Catholic worship, and I was delighted to see how far the Schema was prepared to go in reforms which, to an Anglican like myself, seem so much to be desired.”[21]

    “When I read the Schema on the Liturgy, I realized that many of the proposals which were put before the Council were in fact points which we ourselves accepted four hundred years ago. These would include greater simplicity, the use of the vernacular, more readings of Scriptures, more preaching and catechizing, the part assigned to the faithful in the Mass, [and] the possibility of administering the Sacrament under both kinds.”

    Moorman goes on to say:

    “In reading the Schema on the Liturgy, I could not help but thinking that if the Church of Rome were to carry out all the reforms proposed they would one day find they had triumphantly invented the Book of Common Prayer.”[22]

    We see from the very beginning that Vatican II’s Schema on the Liturgy had a Protestant influence. In the rest of his 1963 article John Moorman focuses on five of those Protestant-friendly principles prominent in the Schema, that he hopes will become major factors in Vatican II’s Liturgical Reform:

    1) The plan for more and varied use of Scripture in the Liturgy;
    2) The place of the laity in the worship of the Church;
    3) The use of the vernacular;
    4) The need for more preaching;
    5) Communion under both kinds.

    These propositions are more or less evident (embedded) in the original Schema. We need to keep this in mind when we hear today those in high place who say there is nothing wrong with the docuмents of Vatican II, they have merely been misinterpreted; we have to return to the true Council. Yet, this is the true Council: Protestant-friendly propositions that are present in the docuмent itself.

    We will look at Moorman’s five points one-by-one:

    1) The plan for more and varied use of Scripture in the Liturgy

    A Protestant would favor such a development because in the Protestant liturgy, there is no sacrifice. There is no re-presentation of the same Sacrifice of Calvary offered through the hands of the priest, who takes the place of Christ. In the Protestant system, there is the rejection of Sacred Tradition as a source of Revelation. Their system rests on “the Bible Alone”. This is why the Protestant wants more Scripture in Liturgy. For the Catholic, however, it is by no means necessary. It is crucial to understand that the Protestant emphasis on Scripture is a weakness of the Protestant position, not a strength. The Protestant is weakened because he rejects the truth that Sacred Tradition is an older and ampler source of Divine Revelation than is Scripture (particularly the New Testament). Thus, the Catholic Church, which recognizes the truth that there are two sources of Revelation, Scripture and Tradition, does not really need more Scripture reading in Liturgy for the sake of giving God the worship that is His due. As much as we revere the Bible, we do not need more use of Scripture in the Mass that Our Lord Jesus Christ Himself established as primarily a Sacrifice.

    2) The Place of the Laity in the Worship of the Church

    Anglican Moorman correctly explains that the centrality of the Priest is based on the Sacrifice of the Mass. This centrality makes no sense in Protestant worship, as the Protestant Minister does not offer sacrifice for the living and the dead, does not change bread and wine into the Body and Blood of Our Lord as does the Catholic priest. The Protestant Minister does not have an indelible mark on his soul given through the Sacrament of Holy Orders that makes him different in essence from a layman.

    Thus the Protestant wants to make liturgy a “more corporate act” (Moorman’s words). This is why Moorman was in favor of the Dialogue Mass, of Offertory processions by laypeople, and anything that would give the laity a greater a role in the liturgy itself.
    But again, the need for introducing more active corporal involvement with the laity is a weakness in the Protestant system, not a strength. The active corporal participation of laity in Protestantism underscores the basic error of Protestant theology that there is no such thing as a sacramental priesthood. The Protestant minister is nothing more than a layman who is given certain liturgical duties. He is no different in essence from other laypeople in the congregation. Thus laypeople can have a greater part in the actions of liturgy: which translates into the various lay-ministries. This is a weakness in the Protestant system, based on its rejection of the sacramental priesthood established by Our Lord, that Catholics need not imitate.

    3) The Use of the Vernacular

    This follows from the desire of Common Worship between Catholics and Protestants. Yet even the Anglican Moorman thought that the vernacular would only be applied to the didactic parts of the Catholic Mass. He said he doubted it would be applied to the Offertory and the Canon. The all-vernacular new rite (Novus Ordo) has gone way beyond even what this Protestant envisioned.

    4) The Need for More Preaching

    Anglican Moorman wants more preaching so that, as he says, he wants you to “bear witness to your faith in a world that has largely forgotten God.”

    Again we note that the Protestant’s call for more preaching reflects the weakness in the Protestant system, not a strength. This is not to devalue Catholic preaching, which is an essential element of the priest’s duty, and part of the specific mandate he receives at ordination. Rather, we merely point out that preaching is central in the Protestant system because Protestants are deprived of the true sacrifice of Calvary re-presented on the altar, and are deprived of the Sacraments. They do not go to church to receive an increase in sanctifying grace, or to have their sins forgiven (for even the absolution after Confitier remits venial sin). Rather, Protestants go to church for “fellowship” in worship, to sing together, and to hear a long, inspiring sermon that will help them live their beliefs with conviction.

    5) Communion Under Both Kinds

    Again, without belaboring the point: the insistence of the Protestant administering both bread and wine to their congregation is a weakness in their system, not a strength. The Protestant rejects the Catholic Church’s teaching, solemnly defined by the Council of Trent, that Christ is present entirely, Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity in the consecrated Host and in the consecrated Wine. Thus receiving under one species is all that is necessary for the Catholic. (Moorman says flat-out in his article that “we Anglicans reject the Council of Trent’s theory of concomitance”).

    Hence, Catholics should understand that there is no real need to adopt any of the five elements enunciated by the Anglican Moorman. These practices are, in fact, manifestations of weaknesses in the Protestant system, and are based upon a rejection of bedrock, infallible truths taught by the Catholic Church. None of these practices need be imitated by the Catholic. Yet the Protestant-friendly principles spotlighted by Moorman are constitutive elements in Vatican II’s Schema on the liturgy.

    It remains to be seen how many of these Conciliar principles will be incorporated in Pope Benedict’s final “common liturgy” revealed by Cardinal Koch
    .
    Pope Benedict “freed” the Tridentine Mass in 2007, yet in 2008 he had already changed a piece of it by promoting a new Good Friday prayer that is more in line with the spirit of Vatican II.

    The New Good Friday Prayer

    In Light of the World, released in late 2010, Pope Benedict explains that he purposely changed the Old Liturgy's Good Friday Prayer because Jєωs found it offensive. He also invokes the fact, as he does in his other writings,[23] that the Jєωs are destined to convert after the "Time of the Gentiles". When the interviewer asks Benedict why in February 2008 he changed the Old Good Friday prayer, he answers:

    “...in the old liturgy this point seemed to me to require a modification. The old formulation really was offensive to Jєωs and failed to express the positively overall intrinsic unity between the Old and New Testament. I believed that a modification of this passage of the old liturgy was necessary, especially, as I have already said, out of consideration for our relation with our Jєωιѕн friends. I altered the text in such a way as to express our faith that Christ is the Savior for all, that there are not two channels of salvation, so that Christ is also the redeemer of the Jєωs, and not just of the Gentiles. But the new formulation also shifts the focus from a direct petition for the conversion of the Jєωs in a missionary sense to a plea that the Lord might bring about the hour in history when we may all be united.”[24]

    Here we see the major points in Benedict's thinking:

    1) The ancient prayer of the Church for the conversion of Jєωs was not theologically correct and needed modification, as it failed to consider the "positive intrinsic unity" of the Old and New Testaments;

    2) The prayer should be changed because it is "offensive to Jєωs";

    3) The focus of the Good Friday prayer is shifted from praying for the conversion "in a missionary sense" here and now, to "hasten the day" when the time of the Gentiles will be complete, "the hour in history" for the conversion of the Jєωs "when all may be united..” But the Conciliar Church does not formally pray for their conversion today.

    4) There are not two channels of salvation, but one: Christ, who is ultimately the redeemer of Jєω and Gentile alike
    .
    This last point on the centrality of Christ should not be viewed as some sort of reestablishment of traditional teaching, since it is more in line with the new approach to interreligious dialogue that even the Modernist Father Jacques Dupuis propounded. In 2003, at the interreligious conference in Fatima that I attended, I heard Jacques Dupuis state that the purpose of interreligious dialogue is to "make a Buddhist a better Buddhist, a Hindu a better Hindu". Dupuis denounced the Council of Florence's infallible statement on "outside the Church there is no salvation" as a "horrible text".[25]

    But even Dupuis insisted that the salvation of the "others" (non-Catholics) ultimately comes through Christ and not by means of their own religion. Thus, when we look at the complete package of Benedict's teaching on the centrality of Christ regarding Jєωs (whom he never says need to convert for salvation),[26] we see it is more in line with the modernist Jacques Dupuis than with the Catholic magisterium of the centuries. Christ is their Savior, but there is no immediate need for these non-Catholics to convert to Christ's one true Church to be saved.

    Conclusion

    We thus see the following:

    1) A “Hybrid” Mass appears to be in the works that “is shaped by the mutual enrichment of the two Mass forms,” the Tridentine and the Novus Ordo.

    2) There are now reports that a new Missal will be published in 2013 that makes it optional (for now) to have Mass Facing the People, an all-vernacular liturgy up to and including the Creed; and saints and readings incorporated from the new calendar;

    3) Cardinal Koch speaks of this “common-rite” project as Benedict’s long-term plan; and Benedict himself, as Cardinal Ratzinger in 1999, said he favored a gradualism in liturgical change to last as long as ten years;

    4) The new common rite reflects Pope Benedict’s unswerving insistence over the years that there can be no turning back to a pre-Vatican II model, and that we must “search for a new balance” between the old and the new;

    5) Pope Benedict insists that we must return to the true texts of the Council. Yet the true text of The Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy is written to be open to the ecuмenical orientation, a fact that is recognized and celebrated by the Protestant John Moorman;

    6) We have already seen a change in the Tridentine Mass with the 2008 introduction of the new Good Friday Prayer that is more in line with the Vatican II approach;

    7) Benedict’s “Reform of the Reform” in liturgy goes hand-in-glove with his “Reform in Continuity” that seeks a balance between tradition and some of the most revolutionary aspects of Vatican II.

    Will the Vatican expect a “regularized” SSPX to eventually publish a new missal that includes these changes; as well as Mass readings for the June 3 Feast Day of “Blessed John XXIII,” and the October 22 Feast Day of “Blessed John Paul II”? I don’t think the SSPX will comply, but will they be under continual pressure to do so?

    Pope Saint Pius X warned in Pascendi that for the Modernist, everything in the Church is subject to change and must change. This includes both dogma and liturgy. We see this Modernist lust for change once again rearing its head in the latest proposal for a “revised” Tridentine Mass.


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    Cardinal Ratzinger said in 1985 that he must present what he called the “true Council” in order to “cut the ground” from under objections against the Council from Archbishop Lefebvre and traditional Catholics. Yet the “true Council” texts, as Archbishop Lefebvre rightly warned in 1964, “have a spirit of rupture and ѕυιcιdє.”





    Notes:

    1. Eponymous Flower Blogspot, August 16, 2012
    2. http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_commissions/ecclsdei/docuмents/rc_com_ecclsdei_doc_20110430_istr-universae-ecclesiae_en.html#_ftnref9
    3. “Pope's 'reform of the reform' in liturgy to continue, cardinal says,” Catholic News Service, May 16, 2011. (quoted by Stephen Dupuy, “The Ides of April,” The Remnant, April 10, 2012).
    4. This was also covered in “The Deviated Liturgical Movement,” John Vennari, Catholic Family News, July 2012.
    5. A. Bugnini, “President of the Consilium, Miscellna liturgica in onore di Sua Eminenza Cardinal Giacomo Larcaro, I (Tourmai: Desclée, 1966), p. 11. Quoted from Archbishop Piero Marini, A Challenging Reform: Realizing the Vision of the Liturgical Renewal, [Collegeville: Liturgical Press, 2007], pp. 15-16.
    6.As defined in Vatican I and set out in the Oath Against Modernism.
    7. Even here, the problems with Vatican II are more profound than whether a given statement conforms to traditional doctrine or not. The drafters of Vatican II employed an entirely new approach that makes the docuмents problematic in themselves. The drafters deliberately refused to employ the precision of scholastic language; they utilized ambiguity so the texts could contain two opposing interpretations; the texts were often deficient by remaining silent on key points that should have been reiterated. Part I of the Si Si No No series on “The Errors of the Council” spotlights Vatican II’s ambiguous juridical nature, the contamination of Catholic doctrine with intrinsically anti-Catholic “modern thinking,” and relevant omissions. A detailed exposition of these and other points would take us too far afield from the central discussion of this article, which is the proposal for the “revised” Tridentine Mass and how it fits Pope Benedict’s overall “reform of the reform” wherein Vatican II is the center of gravity for all things Catholic. For the Si Si No No series on the Council, go to www.cfnews.org/sisi-nono.htm
    8.Open Letter to Confused Catholics, Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, (Kansas City: Angelus Press, 1992), p. 107. [emphasis added]
    9. Thesen zum Thema Zehn Jahre Vaticanum II, Typewritten manuscript. Quoted by Vittorio Messori in The Ratzinger Report [San Francisco: Ignatius, 1985], pp. 28-29.
    10. The Ratzinger Report, Ibid., p. 29.
    11. Ibid., p. 35.
    12. Ibid., p. 30-31.
    13. Ibid., p. 33.
    14. Ibid., p. 37.
    15. The Biography of Marcel Lefebvre, Tissier de Mallarais [Kansas City: Angelus Press, 2004], p. 548.
    16. Ibid., p. 546.
    17. “Address of His Holiness Benedict XVI to the Roman Curia Offering Them His Christmas Greetings,” December 22, 2005. From Vatican webpage.
    18. “A 1999 letter by Cardinal Ratzinger on the reform of the liturgy," Rorate Caeli, September 29, 2010. (quoted by Stephen Dupuy, “The Ides of April,” The Remnant, April 10, 2012) [Emphasis added].
    19. The Ratzinger Report, p. 31.
    20. Theological Highlights of Vatican II, Father Joseph Ratzinger [New York: Paulist Press, 1966], p. 23.
    21. It should be noted that Moorman’s article was written prior to the Council officially adopted the Schema as the Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy. At the time of writing this, he is not sure how much of these “desired reforms” will be accepted by the Council. In a short amount of time, the “reform” went well beyond these measures lauded by Moorman.
    22. “An Observer Looks at the Schema on the Liturgy”, John Moorman, DD., Bishop or Ripon, (Ripon, Yorkshire, England), from the Special Issue of The Thomist (Volume XXVII complete, April, July, October, 1963) published in book form as Vatican II: The Theological Dimension, Edited by Anthony D. Lee, O.P. [Thomist Press, 1963], p. 442-443.
    23. This is demonstrated in detail in “Common Witness and Significant Silence”, J. Vennari, Catholic Family News, April 2011. On line at: www.cfnews.org/b16-significantsilence.htm
    24. Light of the World, Benedict XVI, [San Francisco: Ignatius Press, 2010] pp. 106-107.
    25. See “Fatima to Become an Interfaith Shrine: An Account from One who was There”, John Vennari, Catholic Family News, December 2003. [Reprint #890 available from CFN for $3.00 postpaid This report and a number of reports about the interfaith activity at Fatima are on line at: www.cfnews.org/Fatima.htm
    26. This is demonstrated in detail in “Common Witness and Significant Silence”. See note 23 above.


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  • Thank you  Marie Auxiliadora and stevusmagnus for your very informative posts.  What a treasure you both are, truth bearers informing all of us.  I did not know of any of this until now.
    I was recently in Rome, Italy and went to many churches and sites.  I have found, not surprisingly, much of our faith as 'watered down'.  

    This got me to thinking.  It may be wise for us to collect copies of older books.  I have been looking up books published by Benzinger Brothers and am thinking of starting a collection.

    One has to be careful with any of the newer publications on the lives of the saints or any other topic concerning our Catholic religion as much is watered down.

    Thank you again Marie A and stevusmagnus.

    By the way, is there a copy of the Roman Rite during Pope Leo the XIII?  -- By the way I visited his tomb and prayed for his intercession for our poor church.  I also visited Pope Pius X's and invoked his intercession.

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  • The reason +ABL agreed to the 1962 Missal was because it was validly promulgated by the Pope and did not compromise the faith, in his opinion.

    However, a new Missal is not necessary to merely add saints.  My 1945 Breviary and Missal have inserts that were printed for the newly canonized Saint Pius X.  So if that happens with JPII, the SSPX chapels could just misplace the new inserts.

    If the new missal contains the feasts of JPII and other dubiously voted-in saints and blesseds, I would hope that SSPX would either continue using original '62 Missal or revert to the 1945 book and Breviary.

    I suspect that the latter will not happen. If the 1962 book were reformed and the Society is not recognized by the Vatican, there is no means to demand compliance. If the Vatican and the SSPX were to negotiate a recognition, I would hope the Society does what most Bishops are allowed to do - vote on it and refuse to use it.


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  • This is the post I meant to bring up from the link above. Some of the emphasis are mine.

    Original link:
    http://www.newliturgicalmovement.org/2006/10/possible-future-of-tridentine-liturgy.html


    Friday, October 13, 2006
    The Possible Future of the Tridentine Liturgy: An Analysis

    by Shawn Tribe

    There is a great deal of speculative journalism going on with regards to the Tridentine docuмent forthcoming, which is perhaps mixing up what we presently know about this docuмent as it may stand, and what are perhaps some of the lobbying and/or debates that are behind the scenes in regard to it.

    I should like to break down the matter by looking at the possible end results that might forthcome from all this, if we base it upon what some journalists are suggesting they are hearing, and then analyze these in the light of the liturgical considerations of Benedict.

    Let me note, this is not a prediction. It's an attempt to dissect all the stories that are out there that we might think about the issue critically and responsibly.

    Possible Liturgical Ends of the Tridentine Docuмent:

    1) The Ordinary/Normative Model:
    Total liberalization of the 1962 Missale Romanum within an ordinary model -- no restrictions at all.

    2) The Extraordinary/Normative Model:
    Near total liberalization within an "extra-ordinary" model. Normative in that sense of full allowance and full membership in the Roman rite, but not the ordinary rite. No permission is required, but with possible guidelines in terms of how much it might be used in a typical diocesan parish setting in relation to the ordinary rite.

    3) The Inversed-Indult Model:
    Permission is a granted norm, excepting at the intervention of the local Ordinary who may choose, within certain defined criterions, to not allow.

    4) The Free-upon-local-Conditions Model:
    Permission is granted, but the local Ordinary may choose to lay down the local diocesan conditions whereby that permission can be exercised in public masses -- e.g. perhaps a numerical matter of 30 or more faithful requesting, etc. -- but where, theoretically at least, if those criterion are filled, the Ordinary is not to deny.


    Benedict's Liturgical and Pastoral Thought:


    1) Leaven is needed for the reform of the reform, but it must occur in a way which is not an adminstrative tinkering with the Pauline books, as happened at the Council, and which Benedict is steadfast in resisting as an approach. He has long seen the 1962 Missale Romanum as having an answer to this. It's wider celebration, and permeation into the greater parish life of the Roman rite might thereby help kickstart the reform of the reform.

    2) Benedict was dismayed at the abolishment of this rite which had grown up through the centuries, something he saw as very damaging and unprecedented.

    3) Benedict desires to reach out to groups like the SSPX, for whom the free celebration of this rite, and its non-indult status is an important point.

    4) Aware of the crisis in the Church, liturgically, theologically, etc. and the hermeneutic of rupture, there is a need to draw traditional liturgics, theology, formation and so on very clearly in the heart and centre, and no longer be written off as somehow "fringe" that the voice of the tradition may again be more clearly heard and that a hermeneutic of continuity may be more clearly seen.

    5) Pastorally, Benedict is aware that despite the problems with the Pauline reforms, this is also a liturgy that has been around for decades and which many are now used to, or have only known. A radical shift will be harmful in his view just as it was following the Council. He will want to pastorally protect those faithful from this.

    6) He will want to respond to the concerns of the bishops and will want to somehow give them some assurance so as not to provoke new schisms, and to help secure their tacit cooperation in the matter so that points 1 and 3 might also be accomplished still.

    7) He will want to make clear that this is not a rejection of the Council or the principle of the Conciliar liturgical reform, while balancing this with point 1 and the need for a reform of the reform.

    Analysis of these Possible Ends in the light of these Benedictine Considerations:

    Model #1: (the ordinary/normative model that sees absolutely no restrictions) seems unlikely as there would be too much opposition from members of the episcopate and parts of the Curia. While it might work out fine, many would critique this, rightly or wrongly, as a rejection of the Council. Benedict, I think, cannot afford the docuмent to be too utterly controversial as it could then backfire and not have the effects desired for the reform of the reform, for groups like the SSPX, etc. As well, he will want to protect consideration #5 in regard to the faithful accustomed to the Pauline rite.

    Model #3: (the inversed indult; whereby permission is granted unless explicitly denied by the bishop) seems possible but a little less likely in regards to the SSPX issue on the one hand, and secondarily, perhaps, in Benedict's awareness that there have been trials in applying the existing indult of 1988. The SSPX will likely see this as not being a real shift, since ultimately an arbitrary judgement on the part of the Ordinary could still occur. Moreover, it also has the greater potential to not allow the same leavening effect for the reform of the reform. After model #2, this model does seem to be a very strong contender as a possibiilty with the caveat that it depends upon the nature and conditions of the Bishop's authority to disallow, which could thus also lessen the SSPX's concern about arbitrary disallowance.

    Model #4: faces very similiar issues as #3, but seems even less likely than #3.

    Model #2: would seem to meet all the considerations of Benedict the best. The denotation of ordinary vs. extraordinary, and any numerical stipulation about what may or may not happen in non-personal parishes protects the status of the FSSP, etc. while also addressing the pastoral concerns of the typical diocesan parish, and potentially can assauge the concerns of those bishops who simply are concerned with the matter from a pastoral perspective, rather than an ideological opposition to the 1962 Missal. Such a denotation and "caveat" also protects the idea that this is not a rejection of the Council, while allowing for the greatest overall freedom (which the SSPX will want to see) for the 1962 Missal. This in turns bodes the best for it kickstarting a reform of the reform.

    Further considerations that could influence the model chosen:

    The wildcard in all these considerations comes down to the bishops and the level of their opposition. How will Benedict manage this? Will he be able to do so without compromising his own liturgical vision to date? This is a key question that we cannot answer.

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    An international conference to study, promote and renew the appreciation of liturgical formation and celebration and its foundation for the mission of the Church, particularly in the light of the teaching and example of His Holiness, Pope Benedict XVI, falling within the Year of Faith called for by the Holy Father to commemorate 50 years since the start of the Second Vatican Council, in accordance with the pastoral recommendations for the Year of Faith issued by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.

    Toulon, France, 2nd October 2012
    : The Bishop of Fréjus-Toulon, France, Monsignor Dominique Rey, has announced a major international conference on the Sacred Liturgy to take place in Rome from June 25-28, 2013.

    The conference brings together a wide range of renowned international speakers including Cardinals Ranjith and Burke, Archbishop Di Noia, Bishop Mark Aillet and Monsignors Guido Marini and Andrew Burnham.

    “The Sacred Liturgy is at the centre of the new evangelisation,” Bishop Rey said. “The liturgy is the source and summit of the life and the mission of the Church,” he emphasised, “which is why, for the Year of Faith, we are following up on the success of our conference on Eucharistic Adoration (Adoratio 2011) with a conference specifically focussing on the liturgy and liturgical formation as the point of departure for the new evangelisation. In this we are following the example of the Holy Father, whose teaching and example continue to underline the fundamental and unique role of the Sacred Liturgy in all aspects of the life of the Church and its mission.”

    Sacra Liturgia 2013 will take place at the central Roman location of the Pontifical University of Santa Croce and will include more than sixteen conferences as well as the solemn celebration of Mass in the ordinary and extraordinary forms of the Roman rite. It will open and close with the solemn celebration of Vespers. Approximately 300 participants are expected.

    Registrations for the whole conference will open in January and part-time registrations will be possible from Easter. Simultaneous translation of the presentations will be provided in English, French, German, Italian and Spanish.
    Bishop Rey thanked the sponsors, Ignatius Press, the Knights of Columbus, CIEL UK and Human Life International: “Their generous and ready support of this initiative has enabled the conference planning to proceed on a sound financial footing. Further support is needed, especially with a view to subsidising the participation of students in this important event.”

    Conference participants plan to join with Pope Benedict in his celebration of the Solemnity of Saints Peter and Paul at the Vatican Basilica on the morning of Saturday, June 29th.

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    SO, Who are Monsignor Dominique Rey and Bishop Mark Aillet?


    Bishop Mark Aillet is the bishop for the "reform of the reform" community of St. Martin, France  http://www.newliturgicalmovement.org/2010/03/reform-of-reform-communities-communaute.html  and former vicar General of Msgr. Dominique Rey, bishop of Frejus- Toulon. He begun as a priest in the Community of St. Martin and promoted for to bishop in a few years for his R.R work.

    Bishop Mark Aillet wrote the book  "The Old Mass and the New": Explaining the Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificuм of Pope Benedict XVI.  http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1586173626/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=1586173626&linkCode=as2&tag=httpwwwchanco-20  forwarded by Msgr. Dominique Rey who claims the hybrid "reform of the reform" missal coming  is  'the renewal desired by St. Pius X,  initiated by Pius XII...'

    This conference June 25-28, 2013 will end with the joining "with Pope Benedict in his celebration of the Solemnity of Saints Peter and Paul at the Vatican Basilica on the morning of Saturday, June 29th" no doubt to celebrate the NEW HYBRID which has already been announced for next summer.  STAY TUNED!

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