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Offline insidebaseball

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« on: March 03, 2014, 05:39:09 PM »
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  • The priest on Sunday announced that the Faithful only were obligated to fast and abstain on Ash Wednesday and Good Friday.  


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    « Reply #1 on: March 03, 2014, 05:42:40 PM »
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    The priest on Sunday announced that the Faithful only were obligated to fast and abstain on Ash Wednesday and Good Friday.  


    It was the issuance of the 1983 Code of Canon Law that made Archbishop LeFebrvre strongly consider sedevantism but he kept this between himself and one of the other bishops.  

    It may have actually been the issuing of this Code of Canon Law that convinced Archbishop LeFebrvre to do the consecrations.  

    The new Angelus calendar is citing the 1983 Code of Canon Law and that is the reason I decided to not purchase one.  Oh yes, and the artwork was also kinda "novus ordo-ie".


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    « Reply #2 on: March 03, 2014, 06:02:15 PM »
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    The priest on Sunday announced that the Faithful only were obligated to fast and abstain on Ash Wednesday and Good Friday.  

    My priest said the same but suggested we do more. It is like in the calendars, they say the minimum but recommend the traditional fasts.
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    « Reply #3 on: March 03, 2014, 07:21:02 PM »
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  • From the Code of Canon Law of 1917, with the modifications:
     
    Approved in 1949

    ~ (complete) abstinence only is to be observed on all the Fridays throughout the year
    ~ Fast and (complete) abstinence is to be observed on Ash Wednesday, the Fridays of Lent, Ember Fridays, the Vigils of the Assumption and Christmas, and Holy Saturday
    ~ Fast only (and partial abstinence) is to be observed on: all weekdays of Lent, Ember Wednesdays and Saturdays, and the Vigils of Pentecost and All Saints
    ~ On the days of fast, only one full meal is allowed
    ~ Two other meatless snacks, sufficient to maintain strength may be taken according to each one's needs, but together they should not equal another full meal
    ~ Meat may be taken at the principal meal on a day of fast except on the days of complete abstinence
    ~ Eating between meals is forbidden, but liquids including milk and fruit juices are allowed
    ~ On holydays of obligation, except in Lent, there is neither fast nor abstinence
    ~ The laws of abstinence binds all who have completed their seventh year of age; the law of fasting binds all persons from the completion of their twenty first year until the beginning of their sixtieth. (The completion of the seventh year means the day after the seventh birthday).

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    According to the 1983 Code of Canon Law

    ~ All Fridays through the year and the time of Lent are penitential days and times throughout the universal Church
    ~ Abstinence from eating meat . . . is to be observed on Fridays throughout the year unless they are solemnities
    ~ abstinence and fast are to be observed on Ash Wednesday and [Good] Friday
    ~ All adults who have completed their fourteenth year are bound by the law of abstinence
    ~ all adults [from age 18] are bound by the law of fast up to the beginning of their sixtieth year
    ~ The Episcopal Conference can modify these general rules
     
    ~In the United States Catholics are obliged to abstain from the eating of meat on Ash Wednesday and all Fridays during the season of Lent.
    ~ They are also obliged to fast on Ash Wednesday and on Good Friday
    ~ Self-imposed observances of fasting on all weekdays of Lent is strongly recommended
    ~ Abstinence from flesh meat on all Fridays of the year is especially recommended to individuals and to the Catholic community as a whole
     
    ~In Australia, "Abstinence from meat, and fasting, are to be observed on Ash Wednesday and Good Friday
    ~ On all other Fridays of the year the law of the common practice of penance is fulfilled by performing any of the following:
    (a) prayer, as for example Mass attendance, family prayer, . . .
    (b) self-denial, e.g. not eating meat, not eating sweets or dessert, . .
    (c) helping others, e.g. special attention to someone who is poor, sick, elderly, . . .



    Excerpted from the Catechism of Pope St. Pius X

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    « Reply #4 on: March 04, 2014, 12:32:19 PM »
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  • Are there dispensations from fasting in the 1917 code?


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    « Reply #5 on: March 04, 2014, 12:40:04 PM »
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    Are there dispensations from fasting in the 1917 code?


    IDK - good question.

    Can someone reference the 1917 code before the approved mods in 1949?

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    « Reply #6 on: March 04, 2014, 02:07:42 PM »
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    Are there dispensations from fasting in the 1917 code?


    IDK - good question.

    Can someone reference the 1917 code before the approved mods in 1949?


    Specifically dispensations for men who do physical labor?

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    « Reply #7 on: March 04, 2014, 04:45:40 PM »
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    Are there dispensations from fasting in the 1917 code?


    IDK - good question.

    Can someone reference the 1917 code before the approved mods in 1949?


    Specifically dispensations for men who do physical labor?


    Yes, there is what's called the "workingman's indult."  I'm away from home right now but I will eventually upload some scans.

    Obviously the problem with indults "nowadays" is that for most of us (dare I say all?) there's no one to give the dispensation.  IIRC, the workingman's indult may not actually require a bishop to individually grant, but that it applies kind of "blanketly."  We'll see.
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).


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    « Reply #8 on: March 05, 2014, 06:05:43 AM »
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  • Abstinence remains mandatory in the Novus Ordo on all Fridays of Lent, besides Ash Wednesday and Good Friday.

    Fasting is only mandatory on Ash Wednesday and Good Friday.

    Fast and abstinence are matters of discipline and not doctrine. The Pope is the supreme lawgiver and what he binds and loosens in discipline is up to him.

    For example, if the Pope wants to reinstate a longer Eucharistic fast, he can. Another (unfortunate) example is the vast majority of Indulgences and privileged altars for example no longer applying. Even the SSPX admits this.


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    « Reply #9 on: March 05, 2014, 11:44:04 AM »
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    The priest on Sunday announced that the Faithful only were obligated to fast and abstain on Ash Wednesday and Good Friday.  


    True Dat! What a shocker! Unless JPII was an anti-Pope rendering the 1983 Code invalid.

    It is amazing how many people are really quite clueless on the laws of their faith.

    Hopefully, he didn't suggest you only fast on those days but encouraged you to fast daily, regardless of what is mandated by law.

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    « Reply #10 on: March 05, 2014, 12:48:44 PM »
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  • Can fasting two days and giving up one small vice be considered celebrating Lent?

    It's more like something I try to get a Protestant family member to do during Lent while praying for their conversion and sharing Church teachings with them.

    I'm not trying to insult anyone or joke, I'm just saying.
    St. Joseph the Worker, pray for us!


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    « Reply #11 on: March 05, 2014, 04:53:30 PM »
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    Abstinence remains mandatory in the Novus Ordo on all Fridays of Lent, besides Ash Wednesday and Good Friday.

    Fasting is only mandatory on Ash Wednesday and Good Friday.

    Fast and abstinence are matters of discipline and not doctrine. The Pope is the supreme lawgiver and what he binds and loosens in discipline is up to him.

    For example, if the Pope wants to reinstate a longer Eucharistic fast, he can. Another (unfortunate) example is the vast majority of Indulgences and privileged altars for example no longer applying. Even the SSPX admits this.



    Needless to say... an anti-Pope has no authority to bind or loosen anything.  :wink:

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    « Reply #12 on: March 05, 2014, 04:58:40 PM »
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    The priest on Sunday announced that the Faithful only were obligated to fast and abstain on Ash Wednesday and Good Friday.  


    True Dat! What a shocker! Unless JPII was an anti-Pope rendering the 1983 Code invalid.

    It is amazing how many people are really quite clueless on the laws of their faith.

    Hopefully, he didn't suggest you only fast on those days but encouraged you to fast daily, regardless of what is mandated by law.


    If you have Positive Doubt as to whether JPII was indeed the Pope, you are obliged to treat the "1983 Code" as invalid and the 1917 Code still in force.

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    « Reply #13 on: March 05, 2014, 07:01:58 PM »
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    Abstinence remains mandatory in the Novus Ordo on all Fridays of Lent, besides Ash Wednesday and Good Friday.


    Am I correct in my understanding here that we are NOT SUPPOSED TO ABSTAIN ON GOOD FRIDAY?


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    « Reply #14 on: March 06, 2014, 01:08:49 AM »
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  • Quote from: holysoulsacademy
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    Abstinence remains mandatory in the Novus Ordo on all Fridays of Lent, besides Ash Wednesday and Good Friday.


    Am I correct in my understanding here that we are NOT SUPPOSED TO ABSTAIN ON GOOD FRIDAY?


    Good Friday is a day of fast.