The SSPX loves it when they use information to spy on people, but they don't like any information exposing them for what they really are.

We know very well how these cult-like gropus disseminate private communications amongst the insiders to the detriment of those who send them.

Good point.  Certainly true in my experience.  The SSPX in various countries has behaved in a controlling way with information and exposed private information (and letters) when it has served it's ends.

Besides what if the leaker of the letters were another district superior?

Hypothetically speaking.

It's is INSANE for any REAL Catholic to go along with this.

Comments of this nature are very malicious, divisive, and not Catholic; I can't say how disgusting it is to read this sort of filth, and moreso knowing that there are some follow your vicious style blindly.

I'm sure there are many good willed Catholics who may indeed go along with this tragedy and stay on the wrong side of the split, if God wills it to happen. Don't fool yourself, I agree: the wrong side is the +Fellay side.

It would be no less than impossible for you to prove these people are any less Catholic than you are; they may be, however, not as learned as many on this board for one reason or another. It is also, therefore, not insane to think that a "REAL" Catholic would indeed go along with this.

If we can all agree that this move is from Evil himself, we can agree that there is going to be much confusion and people on both sides of this issue which are both good willed and bad willed. You think everyone is innocent who is on the non-+Fellay camp?

Its interesting, most of the vehemently anti-+Fellay commentors do not even attend the SSPX. You yourself are a supposed sede who attends an indult mass; do you not see the disparity there? Yet I see no one calling you bad willed.

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It's is INSANE for any REAL Catholic to go along with this.

Comments of this nature are very malicious, divisive, and not Catholic; I can't say how disgusting it is to read this sort of filth, and moreso knowing that there are some follow your vicious style blindly.

Archbishop Lefebvre used the same words as Telesphorus did: The Archbishop called the Vatican II "an assembly of people gone insane". Direct quote.

Don't you know? But you know what he said about Fr Bisig and his FSSP? Or about Don Gerard and the other "traditional" liberals? The good Archbishop could get angry. He was a real man and a real catholic. Love him.

I was talking very specifically about Bishop Fellay's connections with the Zionist.

How is it possible Archbishop Lefebvre's society could be under the control of someone with such connections, while the other three bishops are being shut out?  

It really is insane to go along with that.

Now a lot of Catholics don't know about what's really going on, but for those that do, it really is insane to approve of what Bishop Fellay has been doing.  

Mr. Ethelred- comparing the two and what they said as being similar, is insane, how about that?

If you can't see the insanity of a Catholic going along with Bishop Fellay's behavior - favoring the Zionist and shutting out the other three bishops, then you have a real problem.

"Going along with" has a broad meaning, but in particular, it has to do with the blind, cultish Bishop Fellay defenders who don't really seem to understand the reasons the society exists in the first place.  They are falling for the same tricks: blind obedience and hearing what they want to hear in ambiguous statements.  I'm not condemning people who go to SSPX mass, or who will continue to go.  

You have a real problem with responding to what is actually said in a post.

As concerned as I am, I was going to agree with ONE thing Aquas said, that he doesn't believe the other 3 bishops will pull their support but that post has disappeared.

I watched Bishop Williamson's sermon in S Korea and although he says flat out that he thinks it's a mistake, he also doesn't seem overly agitated.He seems a bit on the resigned side. I would not be surprised if they go along with it for now if a deal is struck and see how it pans out before taking any other action. I can't imagine the 3 bishops and half the priests walking out the very next day. There will be some waiting with bated breath for a year or two, maybe three, however long it takes to see if there's a need to separate.

As much as there is to worry about I think they will try to avoid hysteria and rash decisions not only among themselves but among the faithful as well. And as bad as things look with Bishop Fellay's PC language, we still don't really know what those docuмents contain. Perhaps it will be enough for the SSPX to be able to stick together and work uncompromised. I don't know, I can only hope. Either way, it's going to take some time to get it all figured out. No decisions will be made overnight. Which also gives us a little time to catch our breath and try figure out what we will do as well. We will still have valid sacraments in the meantime.

This wasn't literally a "leaked" letter, but it is a public, open letter from +Williamson
to Msgr. Bux, in reply to his open letter to the Bishop. He offers some principles
that are directly applicable to the negotiations of Rome with the SSPX.

Therefore, it is directly related to the leaked letters.

I was unable to find it mentioned anywhere on this forum, so I made a new thread
for it in the Crisis area:

http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/OPEN-REPLY-TO-OPEN-LETTER-OF-MGR-NICOLA-BUX-2