First of all, it's "Bishop Fellay" -- not just "Fellay." And two, how do you know the reconciliation won't have a chilling effect on discussions of ecuмenism, religious liberty, etc.? An agreement of any kind is only as good as the level of enforcement. You accuse members of this forum of groundless speculation, but it seems you're doing a pretty good job of it yourself!  

You are correct: in my haste I have been disrespectful.  The least I could do is type +Fellay.

I do not know that an agreement would or would not have a chilling effect because I do not know the particulars and my crystal ball is broken (it is in the shop, though).  The point is, neither do you.

At the end of the day, we all have to decide if we support the decision IF IT HAPPENS, or we do not.  Then, we each proceed according to our conscience.  

All I’m saying is: let the DAY HAPPEN before you put His Excellency's head on a pike.  He has been faithful to us for 24 years.  Can you TRY to give him the benefit of the doubt?  Just try ... a little ... for old-time's sake.

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...how do you know the reconciliation won't have a chilling effect on discussions of ecuмenism, religious liberty, etc.?

Ha, ha, ha, ...... ha, ha, ha,...

That was hilarious. Tell us another joke. A chilling effect on Judaizing modernists...

Ha, ha, ha, ...... ha, ha, ha!

Surely you realize I meant a chilling effect on the Society's discussion of these issue -- not Rome's?

You mean like all the traditional discussion on the Jєωs scrubbed from the Society's websites, sanitizing the Faith to satisfy the ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan?

These days what gets discussed is what His Officiousness and his kosher thought police allow.

The SSPX loves it when they use information to spy on people, but they don't like any information exposing them for what they really are.

We know very well how these cult-like gropus disseminate private communications amongst the insiders to the detriment of those who send them.

Those who are morally certain as to what Bishop Fellay is up to have every justification for exposing the menace his intrigues represent.  

Perfidy has no rights!

Ha, ha, ha.... Rorate-Caeli is so cultic that "New Catholic" did not appreciate the sarcasm here, so the comment survived "moderation":

Thank you, New Catholic, for censoring the criticisms. Even the two you have allowed should be removed. Even the laity must obey everything that His Lordship Fellay says. It doesn't matter what he said before. We must obey what he says now. He knows what is best for us even if it is different from what Abp. Lefebvre taught. Times change. We must change with the times. Thank you for enforcing discipline. Keep up the good work.

Patrick O'Brien

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Hauriatis,

The opposition to the course Bp. Fellay is taking is not based on wild speculation, but on his own words which manifest a determination to have a covenant with the modernists, and a willingness to apply Joseph Ratzinger's sophism of 'hermeneutics' to the novel doctrines which the Society used to reject.

Our refugees from Angelqueen want to retain that semblance of innocence and wishful-thinking in spite of the countless pieces of evidence showing Bp. Fellay's true intentions. They must come clean however and admit that they do want to see a Society at peace with conciliarism even to the extent of abandoning old doctrine and being part of Rome's exciting new religion.

It's not just religion -- that is, what goes on inside the walls of a church on Sunday sort of thing. It's every day, all around us.

I just heard a brodcast of Coast to Coast AM; their guest spoke of his "profession" of freeing customers from the influence of demonic spirits. He respects all the various methods, whether they are religious or not. Noteworthy is the only other religion he mentioned was "Catholic priest." He said he belongs to a non-earthly association of exorcists, that includes aliens, that is, people who live on other planets. Here is the description from the website for today's show (actually yesterday's show):

Demonic Spirits
Tue 05-15

Emotional clearing expert, practicing exorcist, and professional psychic Jeffrey Seelman discussed his work with negative and demonic spirits, how they manifest destructive forces as well as take residence in individuals and dwellings, and what it takes to purge them.

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Now, I know I'm preaching to the choir to a large degree, but since we have a new influx of "AQ refugees" (not my words), it might be worth noting that Novus Ordo parishoners are much more subject to believing these lies than are traditional Catholics.

It's happening in our own families. We see our children drifting away, led by the spirit of the world, and it reminds us of what we have seen happening to +Fellay and his minions, as they drift ever closer to the Modernism of Rome.

The leaked letters help us to keep our finger on the pulse of the patient, but the patient doesn't want his pulse taken because he wants to drift away without observation.

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If you think you need to thumb me down for what Fr Rostand has to say, rest assured I don't agree with his sentiments. I didn't think it likely that he'd come and post his letter himself, though.

I thumb-downed you because you are sadly falling for the oldest trick in the book of the father of lies.  Fr. Rostand is right on.  Lefebvre entrusted the future of the SSPX to the future Superior General(s).  The three other bishops are not Fellay's peers; they are his subordinates.  This crisis of authority in the conciliar Church as obviously infected the SSPX, too, but NOT by Fellay.

Rumor mongers.  Loose lips.  Gossips.  Avoid them like a plague, because they are a plague.

Relax and pray.

The problem here is that the "lies" have been coming from Bishop Fellay himself who has been saying one thing in public but, as the letters indicate, something else in "confidential" communications.

What is going on in the SSPX today is very reminiscent of the way the entire Catholic Church was changed in a short time in the 1960s.  I fear that the same, or at least something very similar, will happen in the SSPX.

The letters are not rumours or gossips.  They are hard evidence that something nefarious is going on in the upper echelons of the SSPX.

Archbishop Lefebvre didn't want a bishop to be the Superior General.  Why is that?  In fact, Father Schmidberger was the Superior General from 1982.  So did Archbishop Lefebvre defer to Father Schmidberger?  Would Father Schmidberger have dared treat Archbishop Lefebvre the way that Bishop Fellay is treating the other three bishops that Archbishop Lefebvre consecrated to ensure the future of the mission he established?

It is insufferable to have to listen to these insane excuses for Bishop Fellay's abuse of his position.  It's part of a cult mentality he's helped to foster inside the SSPX, where priests are very fearful to speak their mind lest they be kicked onto the street.

Archbishop Lefebvre chose four bishops in order to ensure that the SSPX could continue to ordain priests and perform additional consecrations.  Why four?  Why not three or two?  In fact at first it was only supposed to be three, Bishop Fellay wasn't one of them.

Bishop Fellay has been engaged in a long-term consolidation of power, and the absolutely appalling way in which his apologists are attacking the other three bishops shows how the legalistic cult mentality of unquestioning obedience to Menzingen is being used to hijack Archbishop Lefebvre's mission.