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Offline TomGubbinsKimmage

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SSPX upcoming Bishop consecrations
« on: January 01, 2024, 05:55:46 AM »
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    • Maybe someone else mentioned this elsewhere. I can't find it anyway.

    But apparently the SSPX are consecrating Bishops. Without permission, and "preparing" the faithful for this.

    https://www.medias-presse.info/la-fsspx-annonce-des-sacres-prochains-sans-mandat-et-demande-a-ses-fideles-de-ne-pas-etre-troubles/183975/
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    Re: SSPX upcoming Bishop consecrations
    « Reply #1 on: January 01, 2024, 06:00:35 AM »
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    • Oh, don’t worry they will get permission. ;)
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    Re: SSPX upcoming Bishop consecrations
    « Reply #2 on: January 01, 2024, 08:00:41 AM »
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    Re: SSPX upcoming Bishop consecrations
    « Reply #3 on: January 01, 2024, 08:17:10 AM »
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    • The article is recent.

    The photo is obviously from a bulletin or leaflet.

    The only thing which is sketchy about it is that it does not  give context about where it is from.
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    Re: SSPX upcoming Bishop consecrations
    « Reply #4 on: January 01, 2024, 09:42:16 AM »
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    • Regardless of the timestamp on that exact article, is there any new SUBSTANCE that wasn't covered in the 10-page thread (which ran from March 2023 - June 2023) for example?

    https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/sspx-will-consecrate-three-bishops-in-june-of-this-year/

    Or Bishop Williamson's Eleison Comments, of which he devoted (2) issues to this very subject?

    Seems like the neo-SSPX is stringing us along by making much ado about nothing. Or maybe in this case it's the fault of the French blog in question, which is publishing "old news" for the sake of traffic.

    At any rate, the basic concept -- the SSPX is preparing the Faithful for episcopal consecrations -- has been discussed at length all around the world for 10+ months now. It's old news. Unless there's some update, some new information, some new twist...
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    Re: SSPX upcoming Bishop consecrations
    « Reply #5 on: January 01, 2024, 09:58:38 AM »
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    • Thank you Matthew for pointing out the duplicitous nature of the neo-SSPX.
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    Re: SSPX upcoming Bishop consecrations
    « Reply #6 on: January 01, 2024, 11:16:54 AM »
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    • Quote from: TomGubbinsKimmage on January 01, 2024, 08:17:10 AM
    The article is recent.

    The photo is obviously from a bulletin or leaflet.

    The only thing which is sketchy about it is that it does not  give context about where it is from.
    Published December 24th... 

    Well, I guess it is not a matter of "If" but "When" and "How" the SSPX will have new bishops consecrated.

    It sounds like the SSPX is trying to slowly get people used to the idea and then when it happens no one will flinch.
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    Re: SSPX upcoming Bishop consecrations
    « Reply #7 on: January 01, 2024, 12:43:51 PM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on January 01, 2024, 09:42:16 AM
    Regardless of the timestamp on that exact article, is there any new SUBSTANCE that wasn't covered in the 10-page thread (which ran from March 2023 - June 2023) for example?

    https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/sspx-will-consecrate-three-bishops-in-june-of-this-year/

    Or Bishop Williamson's Eleison Comments, of which he devoted (2) issues to this very subject?

    Seems like the neo-SSPX is stringing us along by making much ado about nothing. Or maybe in this case it's the fault of the French blog in question, which is publishing "old news" for the sake of traffic.

    At any rate, the basic concept -- the SSPX is preparing the Faithful for episcopal consecrations -- has been discussed at length all around the world for 10+ months now. It's old news. Unless there's some update, some new information, some new twist...


    Listen, the only significance is that if this leaflet IS true, and it is recent, then it's way more than a rumour. And it will be soon.

    But I do take a skeptical line like you about the SSPX, so don't worry. Not falling for it anytime soon.

    Let's see what they do in practice.
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    Re: SSPX upcoming Bishop consecrations
    « Reply #8 on: January 01, 2024, 02:42:42 PM »
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    • Quote from: TomGubbinsKimmage on January 01, 2024, 12:43:51 PM
    Listen, the only significance is that if this leaflet IS true, and it is recent, then it's way more than a rumour. And it will be soon.

    What's "true", that some SSPX somewhere may be attempting to "prepare the faithful" for some consecrations?  There's nothing concrete here and nothing that hasn't been floated many times before.
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    Re: SSPX upcoming Bishop consecrations
    « Reply #9 on: January 01, 2024, 02:49:59 PM »
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    • The text says they superior of the society has asked them to be ready.
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    Re: SSPX upcoming Bishop consecrations
    « Reply #10 on: October 08, 2024, 05:39:04 PM »
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    Re: SSPX upcoming Bishop consecrations
    « Reply #11 on: October 08, 2024, 06:26:40 PM »
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    • This is one of my biggest worries. I only have the SSPX nearby or an eastern Catholic option (the women don't wear veils from what I've seen from online photos).

    If my current traditionally ordained SSPX priests were to die or be moved elsewhere and replaced with a doubtful NO 'priest' or a 'priest' made by 'Bishops' made b Huonder (didn't he die?) then I would be in quite the situation.

    I can't exactly move locations atm due to financial tightness but hopefully my priests stay at least until in the future when I will be capable of moving.

    This also becomes an issue for courtship. Because if the girls are unwilling to move because of the doubtful orders then I obviously can't marry them lest I risk my soul.. and if there are willing to move but stay in the meanwhile then I will always have to check if the confirmation oils are valid assuming I have children of that age. 

    So my options would be
    1. if not financially stable
     a- go to eastern rite if priests are doubtful at SSPX (if I didn't go to an eastern rite would I be failing to keep the Sunday Obligation)
    2. If financially stable
     - court girls in local chapel and see if they are willing to move if priests are doubtful 
     a- worry about confirmation oils for children due to unclear SSPX validity 
     b- just straight up move to a resistance chapel and court girls there
     c- look online for a partner and then move to then or a resistance chapel with them

    Or course I have no guarantee that God wills for me to be married so option 2b might be the best choice, but if I did meet a girl online I would may have to move locations a 2nd time assuming the girl doesn't move to me.

    This is quite a pain, why can't the SSPX just be clear with sacraments.. by allowing the NO rites they are effectively implying that Archbishop Lefebvre was wrong to make traditional Bishops. After all if the NO rites are valid then why make traditional rite clergy? :fryingpan:
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    Re: SSPX upcoming Bishop consecrations
    « Reply #12 on: October 09, 2024, 05:44:08 AM »
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    • Quote from: AnthonyPadua on October 08, 2024, 06:26:40 PM
    So my options would be
    1. if not financially stable
     a- go to eastern rite if priests are doubtful at SSPX (if I didn't go to an eastern rite would I be failing to keep the Sunday Obligation)
    2. If financially stable
     - court girls in local chapel and see if they are willing to move if priests are doubtful
     a- worry about confirmation oils for children due to unclear SSPX validity
     b- just straight up move to a resistance chapel and court girls there
     c- look online for a partner and then move to then or a resistance chapel with them

    1. I know this is supposedly a thread about SSPX bishops, but this topic here has nothing to do with +de Mallerais, SSPX bishops, or the possibility/impossibility of future SSPX bishops. So I'm diving in.

    I don't think God expects anyone to LARP as a Russian, Middle Eastern, Eastern Orthodox, or any other completely foreign culture to attend Mass.

    I am 100% western Roman Catholic. My ancestors are from Germany, Ireland, with a bit of other European mixed in (French, Prussian). Notice there is no Eastern anything. I have ZERO cultural connection with any Eastern Rite. Their culture is as foreign to me as China, Africa, or any other exotic culture. WHY would I pretend to be part of their culture every Sunday for Mass?

    And of course the Novus Ordo is dangerous to one's very Faith, as PROVEN by 5 1/2 decades of apostasy after 1970. Not even open for debate any more.

    So there you have it. If you don't have a Traditional chapel near you, you really don't have much choice. I would add, however, that if you prioritize the Faith (over, say, having the best, highest-paying job market) you can probably arrange it so that you can get to Mass once a month or more. Trad chapels aren't THAT rare, at least not yet.
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    Re: SSPX upcoming Bishop consecrations
    « Reply #13 on: October 09, 2024, 05:49:51 AM »
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    • P.S. If I had been attached to my hometown -- stubbornly -- with the attitude "if there's no one to marry, perhaps it's God's will for me to be single." I might very well still be single to this day.

    I ended up meeting my wife on Catholic Match, but she was in Texas and I was in northern Illinois. That's 21 hours of driving with no breaks. (I didn't say no brakes!)

    If I had lacked all spirit of adventure, I could very well still be a single man today. Fortunately I was more rational and pragmatic than that. Turns out I made the right decision, in every way. Besides the obvious fact I love my wife and children, meanwhile my hometown is rapidly becoming Detroit II. It was famous for tool & die, manufacturing. We all know what happened to manufacturing in America. Even in the 80's my hometown had countless abandoned buildings that used to be booming factories. My great-uncle used to give me tours and tell me all about it.
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    Re: SSPX upcoming Bishop consecrations
    « Reply #14 on: October 09, 2024, 06:26:32 AM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on October 09, 2024, 05:44:08 AM
    1. I know this is supposedly a thread about SSPX bishops, but this topic here has nothing to do with +de Mallerais, SSPX bishops, or the possibility/impossibility of future SSPX bishops. So I'm diving in.

    I don't think God expects anyone to LARP as a Russian, Middle Eastern, Eastern Orthodox, or any other completely foreign culture to attend Mass.

    I am 100% western Roman Catholic. My ancestors are from Germany, Ireland, with a bit of other European mixed in (French, Prussian). Notice there is no Eastern anything. I have ZERO cultural connection with any Eastern Rite. Their culture is as foreign to me as China, Africa, or any other exotic culture. WHY would I pretend to be part of their culture every Sunday for Mass?

    And of course the Novus Ordo is dangerous to one's very Faith, as PROVEN by 5 1/2 decades of apostasy after 1970. Not even open for debate any more.

    So there you have it. If you don't have a Traditional chapel near you, you really don't have much choice. I would add, however, that if you prioritize the Faith (over, say, having the best, highest-paying job market) you can probably arrange it so that you can get to Mass once a month or more. Trad chapels aren't THAT rare, at least not yet.
    There is only 1 chapel in my state (SSPX), I would not have move across the country to get to a resistance chapel, which is not possible for me atm due to financial concerns.
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