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SSPX Unplug Challenge
« on: March 07, 2018, 09:16:18 AM »
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    • Has anyone seen this? The SSPX is promoting an unplug from technology challenge, which in itself is great. But the method they are using ... why?? It's copying all the activist "challenges" that attempt to go viral. You have levels to the challenge, a "10 Commandments for Lent" to go with it, you sign up and get a badge, and you have to share and promote it among family and friends.

    http://sspx.org/en/challenge

    Both my husband and I had such a negative reaction to this, as we do with all these gimmicks. Why is the SSPX doing this now too?! I have a hard time believing that serious priestly minds would go along with such games. Why couldn't leadership simply send a message to all the priests to give more fire and brimstone sermons about TV and internet?? That is what is expected of priests and that is what is needed from them. Trying to make everything cool and up-to-date cheapens what is actually a very serious subject.

    The write up is also full of modern buzz words, "detox", "challenge", "inner peace", "personal relationships", "campaign of social self-improvement". Did a traditional priest write this or a PR rep? It's all very nice and focused on having manners and not being offensive to others but has little to no mention of the serious danger to souls. The closest you get to something stronger is in the article that is attached which suggests towards the end to do something radical like throw out your TV. Otherwise it's all very soft.

    They just don't get it. We can Google 1000 articles on cell phone manners. We get gimmicks and activism from everyone else around. We get soft from everyone else around. We do not want soft from them. We want hard truths and wake up calls from them.

    Our negative reaction made us wonder if we are just typical old grumps who don't understand what the kids are into these days. But that same question kind of proved the point. The SSPX is trying to cater to whatever modern fads are out there. I don't understand how in all their wisdom they don't know that this does not work. Are we not living among the very ruins of VII's attempts to modernize the Church?
     
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    Re: SSPX Unplug Challenge
    « Reply #1 on: March 07, 2018, 09:34:56 AM »
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    • "Did a traditional priest write this or a PR rep?" It was the PR Rep.

    You are correct, this is another of the latest gimmick. The same criticism can be made as was done with the previous discussion about the "news babe": the SSPX is treating the Catholic Faith as a consumer product to be sold and marketed. Imagine if the Archbishop was on TV ads promoting "Classic Mass"! The SSPX needs to go back to its roots, starting with trying to convince the Church Authorities that they need to convert back to Tradition. The SSPX also needs to peach to its people about the dangers to morals and make it clear that their are organizations (rhymes with "few") that actually conspire against us, and they do it by corrupting all aspects of society.
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    Re: SSPX Unplug Challenge
    « Reply #2 on: March 07, 2018, 09:43:09 AM »
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    • Anything to try to fill the pews and seem appealing to NO.
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    Re: SSPX Unplug Challenge
    « Reply #3 on: March 07, 2018, 12:09:52 PM »
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    • people should unplug altogether from the SSPX
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    Re: SSPX Unplug Challenge
    « Reply #4 on: March 07, 2018, 05:03:55 PM »
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    • They just want parishioners to stop talking so people will stop leaving and withholding money.

    It's all about money. 
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    Re: SSPX Unplug Challenge
    « Reply #5 on: March 07, 2018, 06:12:02 PM »
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    What are the Challenges?

    There are three challenges to choose from.  And you can choose a 3-day, 7-day, or "Until Easter" option for each.  We have faith that even the most "techy" person can succeed in reducing their dependence on technology for just 3 days.






    No TV
    Limited Computer
    Limited Smartphone


    For a real traditionalist, this "challenge" is like catechism teaching that we should have our children baptized before they are 3 months old. This is really basic stuff, is this all they expect from us? This is totally Novus Ordo milquetoast.

    I have news for you SSPX, my family watches no TV ever, our computers are used for work and knowledge, and we have one cell phone for emergency communication. Not for 3 days or 7days, or Easter, but for 20+ years now. I do this because a REAL priest told me it was the way to raise my family.

    Man up SSPX! Why don't you tell your male parishioner (parents!) that it is a mortal sin to look at pornography on the internet, or to lust after scantily clad women and Dallas Cowboy cheerleaders on the TV/ internet? Why don't you tell your provocatively dressed young girls (some are parents now!) that it is a sin to dress like they are in the streets with their short shorts, and spandex underwear on the outside and bikinis and such? I'm saddened to say it, but you (SSPX) have become no different than the Novus Ordo milquetoast religion.
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    Re: SSPX Unplug Challenge
    « Reply #6 on: March 07, 2018, 06:16:59 PM »
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    • They who are enlightened to walk in the way of perfection, and through lukewarmness wish to tread the ordinary paths, shall be abandoned. (Bl. Angela of Foligno)

    They who are to be saved as Saints, and wish to be saved as imperfect souls, shall not be saved. (Pope St. Gregory the Great)
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    Re: SSPX Unplug Challenge
    « Reply #7 on: March 07, 2018, 06:18:39 PM »
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    • St. John Chrysostom, Patriarch of Constantinople, Doctor of the Church:

     
    I do not speak rashly, but as I feel and think., I do not think that many priests are saved but that those that perish are far more numerous. The reason is that the office requires a great soul. For there are many things to make a priest swerve from rectitude, and he requires great vigilance on every side. Do you not perceive how many qualities a bishop must have that he may be apt to teach; patient towards the wicked, firm and faithful in teaching the Word? How many difficulties herein.

     Moreover the loss of others is imputed to him. I need say no more. If but one dies without baptism, does it not entirely endanger his salvation? For the loss of one soul is so great an evil as no man can understand. If the salvation of one soul is of such importance that, for its sake, the Son of God became man and suffered so much, think of the penalty the loss of one soul will entail. (Third Homily, Acts of the Apostles)
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    Re: SSPX Unplug Challenge
    « Reply #8 on: March 07, 2018, 09:39:32 PM »
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    • My first thought -- it's deja vu, what I experienced watching TAN Books after they were bought out (when the founder Thomas A. Nelson lost the business, and a "conservative" Novus Ordo company bought it) All these same things happened -- flashy videos, modern media techniques, worldly slant, removing many controversial books, etc.

    Second, I think this serves the SSPX politically because how do people find out about Bishop Fellay's treachery? By using that smartphone or computer and heading to www.CathInfo.com

    Remember in the early days of the Resistance, when the US priests, especially Fr. Rostand, tried to promote everyone staying off the Internet (or was it mostly Forums) for Lent? Their motivation was obvious. They got Ignis Ardens to shut down for a couple days...but when they saw that CathInfo wasn't going anywhere, they quickly opened back up again. :laugh1:

    Seriously though, this is more evidence of the SSPX's decline and downfall.
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    Re: SSPX Unplug Challenge
    « Reply #9 on: March 08, 2018, 04:05:32 AM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on March 07, 2018, 09:39:32 PM
    Seriously though, this is more evidence of the SSPX's decline and downfall.
    This.
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    Re: SSPX Unplug Challenge
    « Reply #10 on: March 08, 2018, 08:08:18 AM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on March 07, 2018, 06:12:02 PM
    For a real traditionalist, this "challenge" is like catechism teaching that we should have our children baptized before they are 3 months old. This is really basic stuff, is this all they expect from us? This is totally Novus Ordo milquetoast.

    I have news for you SSPX, my family watches no TV ever, our computers are used for work and knowledge, and we have one cell phone for emergency communication. Not for 3 days or 7days, or Easter, but for 20+ years now. I do this because a REAL priest told me it was the way to raise my family.

    Man up SSPX! Why don't you tell your male parishioner (parents!) that it is a mortal sin to look at pornography on the internet, or to lust after scantily clad women and Dallas Cowboy cheerleaders on the TV/ internet? Why don't you tell your provocatively dressed young girls (some are parents now!) that it is a sin to dress like they are in the streets with their short shorts, and spandex underwear on the outside and bikinis and such? I'm saddened to say it, but you (SSPX) have become no different than the Novus Ordo milquetoast religion.
    "I do this because a REAL priest told me it was the way to raise my family." Same goes for me, this is what I learned coming into the SSPX years ago, but without the gimmicks, so why cannot they just go back and preach the same message in the same way - in other words, they should do it the Traditional way! The SSPX as an organization is trying to be the cool dad, a best friend dad, instead of being a mature parent.
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    Re: SSPX Unplug Challenge
    « Reply #11 on: March 08, 2018, 08:18:09 AM »
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    • Quote from: Mr G on March 07, 2018, 09:34:56 AM
    the SSPX is treating the Catholic Faith as a consumer product to be sold and marketed.

    Yes this is what gets me. We were struggling because if this gets one person offline for a while to rediscover the real world, it would be a good thing right? But at the same time, the ends don't justify the means. I appreciate a good marketing strategy for business. But Faith and morals are not a business and so obviously applying the same marketing techniques to aspects of Faith and morals is just grimy.
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    Re: SSPX Unplug Challenge
    « Reply #12 on: March 08, 2018, 08:29:41 AM »
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    • Quote from: wallflower on March 08, 2018, 08:18:09 AM
    Yes this is what gets me. We were struggling because if this gets one person offline for a while to rediscover the real world, it would be a good thing right? But at the same time, the ends don't justify the means. I appreciate a good marketing strategy for business. But Faith and morals are not a business and so obviously applying the same marketing techniques to aspects of Faith and morals is just grimy.

    Plus it just doesn't work. There's a reason why the saints didn't resort to Madison Avenue marketing glitz to sell the Faith.

    It cheapens the Faith. If a group of people (say, Millennials) can ONLY be reached with flashy videos, then they are lost. It's that simple.

    There's a reason why the devil is attacking nature itself (he's already got supernature beat with protestantism, atheism, other false religions) -- it's like blowing up the foundation itself. Because then there's no way to erect a building (supernature) over it. Grace builds on nature. About the only way to fix things up is to put all those men in hellish conditions like trench warfare, open persecution (like in the first 3 centuries AD), or some other Chastisement.

    "Faith comes by hearing" -- not by seeing. Reading counts as hearing, since it goes into your head (you can almost hear the words) in an intimate manner.
    Video media is totally different. It doesn't have the same intimate effect on your mind as reading or listening to a speaker.
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    Re: SSPX Unplug Challenge
    « Reply #13 on: March 08, 2018, 08:43:46 AM »
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    • Quote from: Mr G on March 08, 2018, 08:08:18 AM
    "I do this because a REAL priest told me it was the way to raise my family." Same goes for me, this is what I learned coming into the SSPX years ago, but without the gimmicks, so why cannot they just go back and preach the same message in the same way - in other words, they should do it the Traditional way! The SSPX as an organization is trying to be the cool dad, a best friend dad, instead of being a mature parent.

    Both my husband and I were raised this way. More and more we realize exactly what that sheltered upbringing did for us. Not that we've ever resented it or been ungrateful. We've always been very grateful and we've always understood. But we've not entirely held up the same standards in our own home. The change in the SSPX has woken us up on a deeper level and I guess you could say it has forced us to seriously pick a side. We have been purging our home and that may be why the softness of this challenge struck us. We know we could have used a good old fashioned throw-out-your-TV sermon (or blogpost) many times in the past few years. Not that we can blame them for our failings, there is more to our circuмstances anyway, but there is something to be said for rousing leadership. I am sure there are many others on the fence who could use the push too.
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    Re: SSPX Unplug Challenge
    « Reply #14 on: March 08, 2018, 09:03:21 AM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on March 08, 2018, 08:29:41 AM

    It cheapens the Faith. If a group of people (say, Millennials) can ONLY be reached with flashy videos, then they are lost. It's that simple.


    That is a really good point. It isn't that people don't know Christianity and we have to teach them. They know and they are rejecting it. With that you have to know when to walk away if someone is rejecting you over and over again. Compromising yourself to get in their good graces makes thing worse. If they have a change of heart down the road, they know where you are and how to find you.

    We have experienced this even within our family. Family members who mocked my parents 25-30 years ago, now getting older and having changes of heart. Guess who some are coming to with questions? It's a joyful and humbling thing.

    It must be very similar for the priests. If someone is rejecting what they are teaching they have to let it be, respect free will, and not compromise themselves or the Faith trying to run after them. People will know where to go when they finally want to get serious.  
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