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Offline Smedley Butler

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Re: SSPX Unplug Challenge
« Reply #15 on: March 08, 2018, 09:17:54 AM »
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  • "I do this because a REAL priest told me it was the way to raise my family." Same goes for me, this is what I learned coming into the SSPX years ago, but without the gimmicks, so why cannot they just go back and preach the same message in the same way - in other words, they should do it the Traditional way! The SSPX as an organization is trying to be the cool dad, a best friend dad, instead of being a mature parent.
    SSPX priests stopped preaching the traditional way years ago.
    They have neutered all their priests.


    Offline Last Tradhican

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    Re: SSPX Unplug Challenge
    « Reply #16 on: March 08, 2018, 10:29:13 AM »
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    The SSPX as an organization is trying to be the cool dad, a best friend dad, instead of being a mature parent.
    Yes, that is what it is, no different than the Novus Ordo has been doing for 50 years.

    It is also "lowest common denominator" teaching, that is, focusing teaching to the least knowledgeable, in this case as an example, it would be to focus on teaching the congregation that we must go to mass on Sundays.  

    When I came back to the faith, I knew nothing. God quickly provided to me good priests, mostly priests in old books, but also good confessors. Not one of them babied me, they gave it to me straight. I do not see this anymore in the SSPX priests. Today they are teaching the people as if they expect nothing from them. 
    The Vatican II church - Assisting Souls to Hell Since 1962

    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24


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    Re: SSPX Unplug Challenge
    « Reply #17 on: March 08, 2018, 10:34:01 AM »
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  • Here's an example of a sheet that I received in 1997 at an SSPX Retreat in Ridgefield. When was the last time anyone heard anything like this from a pulpit? It should be a common occurrence, like every other Sunday. After all, what is more important than our ETERNAL salvation?  

    THE TEACHINGS OF THE FATHERS, DOCTORS AND SAINTS OF THE CHURCH UPON THE FINAL DESTINY OF MOST PEOPLE.

    1) Notwithstanding assurances that God did not create any man for Hell, and that He wishes all men to be saved, it remains equally true that few will be saved; that only few will go to Heaven; and that the greater part of mankind will be lost forever. (St. John Neuman)

    2) It is certain that few are saved. (St. Augustine)

    3) The majority of men shall not see God. (St. Julian the Martyr)

    4) Those who are saved are in the minority. ( St. Thomas Aquinas)

    5) The greater part of men choose to be damned rather than to love almighty God. (St. Alphonsus Liguori)

    6) So vast a number of miserable souls perish, and so comparatively few are saved. (St. Philip Neri)

    7) Among adults there are few saved because of the sins of the flesh....With exception of those who die in childhood, most men will be damned. (St. Remigius of Rheims)

    8) Death bed conversions/repentance-there are hardly any:   Out of 100,000 sinners who continue in sin until death, scarcely ONE will be saved. (St. Jerome)

    9) The MAJORITY OF CATHOLICS GO TO HELL:

    a) The greater number of Christians today are damned. The destiny of those dying on one day is that very few  -  not as many as ten  -   went straight to Heaven; many remained in Purgatory; and THOSE CAST INTO HELL WERE NUMEROUS AS SNOWFLAKES in mid-winter. (Bl. Anna Maria Taigi)

    b) There are many who arrive at the faith, but few who are led to the heavenly kingdom. Behold how many are gathered here for today's Feast-Day; we fill the church from wall to wall. Yet who knows how FEW they are who shall be numbered in that chosen company of the elect? (Pope St. Gregory the Great)

    c) The Ark, which in the midst of the Flood was the symbol of the Church, was wide below and narrow above, .... It was wide where the animals were, narrow where men lived; for the Holy Church is indeed wide in number of those who are carnal minded, narrow in the number of those who are spiritual.
    ( Pope St. Gregory the Great)

    d) Shall we all be saved? Shall we go to heaven? Alas, my children we do not know at all! But I tremble when I see so many souls lost these days. See, they fall into Hell as leaves fall from the trees at the approach of winter. (St. John Vianney)

    10) MOST PRIESTS GO TO HELL:

    St. John Chrysostom, Patriarch of Constantinople, Doctor of the Church:

    I do not speak rashly, but as I feel and think., I do not think that many priests are saved but that those that perish are far more numerous. The reason is that the office requires a great soul. For there are many things to make a priest swerve from rectitude, and he requires great vigilance on every side. Do you not perceive how many qualities a bishop must have that he may be apt to teach; patient towards the wicked, firm and faithful in teaching the Word? How many difficulties herein.

    Moreover the loss of others is imputed to him. I need say no more. If but one dies without baptism, does it not entirely endanger his salvation? For the loss of one soul is so great an evil as no man can understand. If the salvation of one soul is of such importance that, for its sake, the Son of God became man and suffered so much, think of the penalty the loss of one soul will entail. (Third Homily, Acts of the Apostles)

    b) Many religious go to Hell because they do not keep their vows. (St. Vincent Ferrer)


    CATHOLICS NOT ASPIRING AND NOT LIVING AS SAINTS WILL GO TO HELL:

    a) They who are enlightened to walk in the way of perfection, and through lukewarmness wish to tread the ordinary paths, shall be abandoned. (Bl. Angela of Foligno)

    b) They who are to be saved as Saints, and wish to be saved as imperfect souls, shall not be saved. (Pope St. Gregory the Great)

    c) St. Teresa.... had she not risen from the state of lukewarmness in which she lived, she would in the end have lost the grace of God and been damned. ( St. Alphonsus Liguori)

    14) How many inhabitants of this city may perhaps be saved? What I am about to say is very terrible, yet I will not conceal it from you. Out of this thickly populated city with it's thousands of inhabitants, not 100 people will be saved. I even doubt whether there will be as many as that! ( St. John Chrysostom - the city was Antioch and its inhabitants were known to be in pursuit of comfort and the good things of life.)

    15) A multitude of souls fall into the depths of Hell. (St. Anthony Mary Claret - It has been revealed that on the day of the death of St. Bernard there also died 79,997 other people, and of this total of 80,000 who died, only St. Bernard and two other monks were saved.)

    16) In the great deluge in the days of Noah, all mankind perished, eight persons alone being saved in the Ark. In our days a deluge, not of water, but sins, continually inundates the earth, and out of this deluge very few escape. Scarcely anyone is saved. ( St. Alphonsus Liguori)

    17) Yes indeed, many will be damned; few will be saved. (St. Benedict Joseph Labro)

    18) If you only knew the women who will go to Hell because they did not bring into the world the children they should have given to it. ( St. John Vianney)

    19) He who goes to Hell, goes of his own accord. Everyone who is damned, is damned because he wills his own damnation. (St. Alphonsus Liguori)

    20) THOSE WHO HAVE HEARD NOTHING ABOUT THE FAITH CAN ALSO GO TO HELL:

    a) When such unbelievers are damned, it is on account of other sins, which cannot be taken away without the faith, but not because of their sin of unbelief. (St. Thomas Aquinas)

    b) Everyone that is of truth hears my voice. (St. John 18:37)

    c) It may be true that there are, in the remotest parts of the world, some people who have not yet seen the light of the Savior. Certainly, God's manifold and ineffable goodness has always provided, and still provides, for all mankind in such a way that not one of the reprobates can find an excuse as though he had been refused the light of truth. ( St. Prosper of Aquitaine)

    d) No one is lost without knowing it, and no one is deceived without wanting to be. (St. Teresa of Avila)

    21) OUTSIDE OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, THERE IS NO SALVATION:

    a) No matter how praiseworthy his actions might seem, he who is separated from the Catholic Church will never enjoy eternal life (Pope Gregory XVI)

    b) O ye atheists who do not believe in God, what fools you are ! But if you do believe there is a God, you must also believe there is a true religion. And if not the Roman Catholic, which is it? Perhaps that of the pagans who admit many gods, thus they deny them all. Perhaps that of Mohammed, a religion invented by an impostor and framed for beasts rather than humans. Perhaps that of the Jєωs who had the true faith at one time but, because they rejected their redeemer, lost their faith, their country, their everything. Perhaps that of the heretics who, separating themselves from our Church, have confused all revealed dogmas in such a way that the belief of one heretic is contrary to that of his neighbor. O holy faith! Enlighten all those poor blind creatures who run to eternal perdition! (St. Alphonsus Liguori)
    The Vatican II church - Assisting Souls to Hell Since 1962

    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24

    Offline Fanny

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    Re: SSPX Unplug Challenge
    « Reply #18 on: March 08, 2018, 10:41:43 AM »
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  • SSPX priests stopped preaching the traditional way years ago.
    They have neutered all their priests.
    Excellent, simple, concise, easy way to put it SM.  I will be borrowing it.

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    Gold Badge?/Re: SSPX Unplug Challenge
    « Reply #19 on: March 11, 2018, 01:33:55 PM »
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  • [....] I think this serves the SSPX politically because how do people find out about Bishop Fellay's treachery?  By using that smartphone or computer and heading to <www.CathInfo.com>.  Remember in the early days of the Resistance, when the US priests, especially Fr. Rostand, tried to promote everyone staying off the Internet (or was it mostly Forums) for Lent? Their motivation was obvious.

    That would be sooo milquetoast in a year that's as crucial to the future of SSPX as 2018!  Menzingen should award grander official badges for longer unplugging.  Bronze, silver, and gold badges, anyone?  Promotions from lesser badges to grander badges could be announced from pulpits, and printed in weekly bulletins.

    If the Minions of Menzingen could extend the unplugging of their uncritically obedient sheeple as far beyond Easter as the Feast of the Assumption, the latter would've missed all the 2018 General Chapter news (by how long, 2 months(?)), including analysis and debate over what by then would be done deals requiring more uncritical obedience, but earning a gold badge.  Even if SSPX could extend participation as far beyond Easter as Trinity Sunday (especially for the U.S.A., where that day receives repeated attention as the deadline for Easter Duty), the sheeple in SSPX would miss almost all the prelude to the Chapter, including early leaks that would, of course, be vehemently denied by Menzingen, while the still-unplugged sheeple would advance to a silver badge.  Those leaks could be expected to be revealed later as completely true; the level of Menzingen's vehement response to each leak would turn out to be directly proportional to the certainty of its accuracy & truth.

    But as I've confessed in various topics in CathInfo, I'm an outsider, and not an adherent of SSPX, but wish the Resistance success for the practical reason that it's too important to traditional Catholicism to fail.


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    Re: SSPX Unplug Challenge
    « Reply #20 on: March 11, 2018, 10:55:39 PM »
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  • They call it the "detox" challenge, and they go on to promote getting intoxicated.  Shameful.  This is exactly the spirit that rules the catholic lent, and the spirit that I abhor.  We excessively fast only to excessively feast on sunday to make up the loss in turn committing gluttony.  And, here it is again.  The end of lenten penance is to grow closer to God and amend our ways.  Fellowship at the alchohol bar is not the lenten end.  Communing with fellow catholics at the altar of God in the eucharist is the desired end.  



    "A secure mind is like a continual feast" - Proverbs xv: 15

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    Re: SSPX Unplug Challenge
    « Reply #21 on: March 12, 2018, 02:14:11 PM »
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  • And did you notice that it was inspired by Pope Francis remarks in 2015 where he told people to limit there use of tech devises.
    They always have to get a plug in for the "good Pope Francis"   :facepalm:  :-[

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    Re: SSPX Unplug Challenge
    « Reply #22 on: March 12, 2018, 02:41:31 PM »
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  • And did you notice that it was inspired by Pope Francis remarks in 2015 where he told people to limit there use of tech devises.
    They always have to get a plug in for the "good Pope Francis"   :facepalm:  :-[
    They've turned into brownosers.
    The Vatican II church - Assisting Souls to Hell Since 1962

    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24


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    Re: SSPX Unplug Challenge
    « Reply #23 on: March 12, 2018, 03:14:49 PM »
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  • And did you notice that it was inspired by Pope Francis remarks in 2015 where he told people to limit there use of tech devises.
    They always have to get a plug in for the "good Pope Francis"   :facepalm:  :-[
    Technically, we should not complain when the pope actually says the right things.  However, pope francis does not practice what he preaches.  And, that is where I object.  Francis puts out youtube videos, blesses football games/ the superbowl via tech devices, and probably all sorts of other hypocritical tech device endeavors.  I think francis even uses twitter.  
    I remember the media made a big deal out of the fact that benedict xvi used email.  Francis is above and beyond.  

    If francis does not like electronics used during mass, he needs to start with himself.  The entire NO church seemingly cannot pray without an electronic microphone and all these other high tech gadgets that are not at all needed, and I would argue detrimental.  The liturgy is supposed to be solemn.  A liturgy through a boom box speaker is not solemn.  
    "A secure mind is like a continual feast" - Proverbs xv: 15

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    Re: SSPX Unplug Challenge
    « Reply #24 on: March 12, 2018, 03:46:41 PM »
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  • Technically, we should not complain when the pope actually says the right things.  
    We can say the same about all false religions  "we should not complain when they actually say the right things".

    To me, the Vatican II popes are usurpers, so I do not pay attention to anything they say, good or bad, same as any other false religion 
    The Vatican II church - Assisting Souls to Hell Since 1962

    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24

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    Nothing except "Challenge", please!/Re: SSPX Unplug Challenge
    « Reply #25 on: March 19, 2018, 09:17:50 AM »
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  • Here's an example of a sheet that I received in 1997 at an SSPX Retreat in Ridgefield.

    1997 is 10 years before the arrival of the 1st of more than 1 billion iPhones (2007), which arguably belong front-&-center on any poster for any campaign exhorting people to unplug.  The 1st real version of the Netscape Web browser (i.e., not beta), which enabled popular "Web surfing",  wasn't released until 2 weeks before New Year's Day 1995 (altho' the long-lived versions 3.03 & 3.04 were released in the summer & fall of 1997).

    1997 is also 9 years before Matthew, who had the tech-news advantage of being a computerist by profession, founded CathInfo (2006).  Would the Minions of Menzingen have even been aware of the Internet in 1997?  Or to them, e.g., would "DNS" have been meaningful only as an alternative abbreviation for Latin "Dominus"?

    Quote from: Last Tradhican link=topic=48209.msg598360#msg598360

    When was the last time anyone heard anything like this from a pulpit?  It should be a common occurrence, like every other Sunday.  After all, what is more important than our ETERNAL salvation? 

    Thank you for asking: On an Internet forum (neé message-board), staying on topic is more important.  It's simple: If you haven't got anything to post that's on-topic, then don't post anything at all.


    THE TEACHINGS OF THE FATHERS, DOCTORS AND SAINTS OF THE CHURCH UPON THE FINAL DESTINY OF MOST PEOPLE.

    There's not a single word, in that docuмent's 4 screens-full of text as displayed on a wide-screen desk-top monitor, that's relevant to the topic SSPX "Unplug Challenge".  It doesn't gain any relevance on CathInfo from being posted in obnoxiously enlarged and needlessly underlined type.

    A CathInfo member who's made more than 1800 postings ought to be able to find some topic somewhere on this traditional-Catholic Web site where his posting really belongs.  But this topic ain't the place.

    In the meantime, the SSPX "Unplug Challenge" remains a worthwhile topic as originally posted.  Could this "Challenge" really be holding back the "drip, drip, drip" of leaks leading up to the 2018 General Chapter?