Author Topic: SSPX UK,FR,SP. bishops dont agree the deal. UK bishop said to me. (Read 19893 times)

Lucca Back · « **on:** May 11, 2012, 03:45:42 AM »

I am a traditional catholic live in South Korea. His Excellency Bishop Williamson visited South Korea last week.

I asked his Excellency Bishop Williamson after Mass who are the three bishops don't agree in your Dramatic Stichomythia(Elleison Comments Bonus Issue). I asked "Are they Bishop Tissier, Gallareta, and Your Excellency?"
His Excellency said "Yes".

The leaked letters seems to be genuin. Actually the letter of three bishops teaches us why do we have to resist the deal. The letter is like a Elleison comments from three bishops.

We South Korean SSPX followers are so small. They are only fifty people in Sunday Mass. SSPX priests visits only six days per month.

But the sad thing is the only HL who reads the Elleison Comments from 'St. Athanatious of Dinoscopus(I personally think)' is I (Lucca Back).
Almost all of our Korean faithful don't know the grave danger of this Vatican-SSPX deal.

I resist the Vatican II doctrinal preamble. So I restart uploading Youtube videos in my channel( youtube.com/lifemovi ).

You can hear my voice when you watch my video,

Let's do something for the Defence of the Traditional Faith.

AJNC · « **Reply #1 on:** May 11, 2012, 04:45:05 AM »

Quote from: Lucca Back

I am a traditional catholic live in South Korea. His Excellency Bishop Williamson visited South Korea last week.

I asked his Excellency Bishop Williamson after Mass who are the three bishops don't agree in your Dramatic Stichomythia(Elleison Comments Bonus Issue). I asked "Are they Bishop Tissier, Gallareta, and Your Excellency?"
His Excellency said "Yes".

The leaked letters seems to be genuin. Actually the letter of three bishops teaches us why do we have to resist the deal. The letter is like a Elleison comments from three bishops.

We South Korean SSPX followers are so small. They are only fifty people in Sunday Mass. SSPX priests visits only six days per month.

But the sad thing is the only HL who reads the Elleison Comments from 'St. Athanatious of Dinoscopus(I personally think)' is I (Lucca Back).
Almost all of our Korean faithful don't know the grave danger of this Vatican-SSPX deal.

I resist the Vatican II doctrinal preamble. So I restart uploading Youtube videos in my channel( youtube.com/lifemovi ).

You can hear my voice when you watch my video,

Let's do something for the Defence of the Traditional Faith.

Hi, I'm from India and we are a very small group of Traditional Catholics too. Looks like we will have to start again from scratch even though a fair number of this small band are senior citizens. In my personal opinion, this is a great betrayal!

Lucca Back · « **Reply #2 on:** May 11, 2012, 04:59:17 AM »

I'm very sorry to hear that His Excellency Bishop Williamson canceled the visit to India.

Our chaple's faithful are senior also. Most of them are female. They know the importance of Traditinal Mass. But they don't hear the news about this grave situation. Priests didn't tell them about this crisis. Our faithful don't like me talking about His Excellency Bishop Williamson. His Exellency is in defacto Exile. But He start giving Confirmation. He gave Confirmation Secrament to the faithful who went Akita Pilgrimage.

Three bishops are with us. My family will pray Rosary.

Ethelred · « **Reply #3 on:** May 11, 2012, 05:02:47 AM »

Lucca, many thanks for sharing your videos with us. It's great to see Bishop Williamson preaching publicly again.

God is with him.

Lucca Back · « **Reply #4 on:** May 11, 2012, 05:45:13 AM »

Thank you.
Maybe next week, we can see his Youtube Appearance again.

AJNC · « **Reply #5 on:** May 11, 2012, 06:05:27 AM »

Quote from: Ethelred

Lucca, many thanks for sharing your videos with us. It's great to see Bishop Williamson preaching publicly again.

God is with him.

What's the situation in France? It seems that most of the French priests do not want a deal but most of the faithful want it. True?

Ethelred · « **Reply #6 on:** May 11, 2012, 08:20:49 AM »

Quote from: AJNC

What's the situation in France? It seems that most of the French priests do not want a deal but most of the faithful want it. True?

I hope so but can't judge the French situation. I know the situation of the German zone better which I shortly described here:
Fr. Schmidberger prepares the SSPX Sellout, Sounds more like FSSP now than SSPX

Description from priests attending Fr Schmidberger's German district meeting in Stuttgart in autumn 2011 with approx 50+ priests attending (can't remember the exact number anymore, sorry) :
At the end of Fr Pfluger's hours-long propaganda for a Newrome sellout, the elder former German district superior Fr Franz-Joseph Maeßen stood up and in about four minutes wiped away Fr Pfluger's nonsense with the help of Archbishop Lefebvre's logic. During his short speech most of the attending priests applauded him several times. Fr Pfluger couldn't reply anything. (A little later there was another Waterloo for Bp Fellay and his team at the SSPX superior meeting in Albano.)

So indeed most German priests oppose a sellout to Newrome but don't dare to protest themselves, when there's no leader to lead. Because of his sickness Fr Maeßen can't physically lead anymore.

We've to consider a few points however:
*) For the sellout to Newrome Fr Schmidbeger is on alignment with Bp Fellay and his team (the father thinks he's still superior general, so often there's tensions between Stuttgart and Menzingen).
*) The depressive Fr Schmidberger rules the FRG-German and Austrian-German district with an iron fist instead of a catholic one. His Prussian sabre-rattling is so that most middle aged and younger priests fear the man. If we read Bp Fellay's leaked letter to the three bishops (14 April 2012), we see many similarities again.
*) The SSPX is hierarchical like the Church. In the end those at the top will make the course. As the saying knows: A fish rots from the head down. So we're at Archbishop's favorite topic named catholic obedience versus false obedience... The devil's coup named Vaticanum II succeeded because of the catholics' false obedience. Sadly the same wrong principle seem to happen again now inside the SSPX (despite the Archbishop's pathbreaking work. They broke with him).

When the going gets tough I'm afraid that too many German and other continental European priests will feel obligated to show a false obedience i.e. follow the superior general despite the latter's liberal delusion. So for most continental European districts I'm pessimistic. I hope I am wrong. Also it depends whether the three good bishops remain steadfast and united. I've no doubt that Bishop Williamson will, but I can't judge the other two aside their good joint letter.

Of course the Almighty will have the last word!

Wessex · « **Reply #7 on:** May 11, 2012, 09:08:15 AM »

Of course, a letter of protest is just a letter unless followed by action. As auxiliary bishops they do not occupy a central role and can be kept on the fringes of Society life with further gagging restrictions. Their continued presence will be a sign of their willingness to obey the leadership. The only post-reconciliation alternative is for the bishops to establish alternative apostolates using their national networks of contacts and a fair amount of organising zeal. Is their enough drive and support for such a new beginning .... or are most trads now happy to accommodate those reforms their parents opposed with their feet?

If there is a rebellion ending talks with Rome and replacing the leadership, then the Society will rejuvenate itself but the bureaucracy will need completely overhauling to remove that weakening 'spirit of reconciliation'.

finegan · « **Reply #8 on:** May 11, 2012, 09:41:38 AM »

Quote from: Wessex

Of course, a letter of protest is just a letter unless followed by action. As auxiliary bishops they do not occupy a central role and can be kept on the fringes of Society life with further gagging restrictions. Their continued presence will be a sign of their willingness to obey the leadership. The only post-reconciliation alternative is for the bishops to establish alternative apostolates using their national networks of contacts and a fair amount of organising zeal. Is their enough drive and support for such a new beginning .... or are most trads now happy to accommodate those reforms their parents opposed with their feet?

If there is a rebellion ending talks with Rome and replacing the leadership, then the Society will rejuvenate itself but the bureaucracy will need completely overhauling to remove that weakening 'spirit of reconciliation'.

Interesting observations. I discussed these very points with my wife last evening. Do the auxiliary bishops have the courage and energy to undertake the massive task of rebuilding the SSPX from the ground up? Who will pay for new chapel buildings, travel and living expenses, etc.? How many of the faithful will support this effort with their pocketbook and physical labor? I am not optimistic regarding the latter. Most of the parishioners at my SSPX Mass center seem content with a nice liturgy and the social aspects of chapel life. I don't hear anyone discussing the impending agreement and its implications for our parish. It's almost like there's a "don't ask, don't tell" policy among the resident priests and faithful.

This all reminds me a lot of the late 60s and early 70s... :kick-can:

Lucca Back · « **Reply #9 on:** May 11, 2012, 10:17:06 AM »

Quote from: finegan

Quote from: Wessex
Of course, a letter of protest is just a letter unless followed by action. As auxiliary bishops they do not occupy a central role and can be kept on the fringes of Society life with further gagging restrictions. Their continued presence will be a sign of their willingness to obey the leadership. The only post-reconciliation alternative is for the bishops to establish alternative apostolates using their national networks of contacts and a fair amount of organising zeal. Is their enough drive and support for such a new beginning .... or are most trads now happy to accommodate those reforms their parents opposed with their feet?

If there is a rebellion ending talks with Rome and replacing the leadership, then the Society will rejuvenate itself but the bureaucracy will need completely overhauling to remove that weakening 'spirit of reconciliation'.

Interesting observations. I discussed these very points with my wife last evening. Do the auxiliary bishops have the courage and energy to undertake the massive task of rebuilding the SSPX from the ground up? Who will pay for new chapel buildings, travel and living expenses, etc.? How many of the faithful will support this effort with their pocketbook and physical labor? I am not optimistic regarding the latter. Most of the parishioners at my SSPX Mass center seem content with a nice liturgy and the social aspects of chapel life. I don't hear anyone discussing the impending agreement and its implications for our parish. It's almost like there's a "don't ask, don't tell" policy among the resident priests and faithful.

This all reminds me a lot of the late 60s and early 70s... :kick-can:

In South Korea, there are no chaples of FSSP, Society of Christ the King. The only way we can hear Traditional Mass is going to SSPX Seoul chaple.

Month ago, I told an old lady faithful about this grave dangerous situation, SSPX-Rome deal. She asked me "Do they permit the Tridentine Mass?". I said It will be permitted like before. She said "Then, I'll follow our parish priest. I want Mass itself"

Many of our faithful visit our chaple just because there is Tridentine Mass in that chaple. Some of them were disappointed about the deal. But they really rely on their priest and liability of getting Sacraments.
And they don't talk about His Excellency Bishop Williamson.
So, I'm afraid there will be few or one catholic family who resist the Vatican II Doctrinal Preamble in South Korea finally.

However few will hear, I'll tell God's truth to our South Korean faithful.(Doctrinal Stichomythya, Eleison Comments Bonus Issue)

The poison of Doctrinal Discussions and Preamble is already in our body. From the first place, they should have been declined, Poisonous Discussions.

s2srea · « **Reply #10 on:** May 11, 2012, 10:21:18 AM »

Quote from: finegan

Do the auxiliary bishops have the courage and energy to undertake the massive task of rebuilding the SSPX from the ground up? Who will pay for new chapel buildings, travel and living expenses, etc.? How many of the faithful will support this effort with their pocketbook and physical labor?

Well, I would imagine the Archbishop faced similar odds when he first started out, no? He also was not very young. I think this is the part where we do as he did: Truth first, do all you can, and leave it in Gods hands.

Fortunate for us we have the three who are doing what they can, I'm sure. When they make their move, as they seem to be on the side of Truth, I'm sure all they'll want is for us to be ready. We will be!

bernadette · « **Reply #11 on:** May 11, 2012, 10:34:44 AM »

Quote from: finegan

Do the auxiliary bishops have the courage and energy to undertake the massive task of rebuilding the SSPX from the ground up? Who will pay for new chapel buildings, travel and living expenses, etc.? How many of the faithful will support this effort with their pocketbook and physical labor? I am not optimistic regarding the latter. Most of the parishioners at my SSPX Mass center seem content with a nice liturgy and the social aspects of chapel life. I don't hear anyone discussing the impending agreement and its implications for our parish. It's almost like there's a "don't ask, don't tell" policy among the resident priests and faithful.

This all reminds me a lot of the late 60s and early 70s... :kick-can:

I agree based upon my own experience and ties with the sspx..definitely a 'don't ask don't tell' policy. There existed what could be described as almost a fear in the faithful in questioning or showing discontent for fear of being thrown out or alienated. And among the women particularly, a excessive obedience/fear towards the priests...that goes hand in hand with the 'woman should be seen and not heard' mentality of sspx'ers...women shouldn't be overly educated, they should stick to praying rosaries and novenas, cleaning the church, and if they don't become religious, they should marry and have families...problem is, few of them do! I think I witnessed one marriage in 7 years at my sspx chapel....

Good luck to those who have to start with garage masses again....the other three bishops know this...+Williamson has been content to remain in his position for the last three years, and it isn't so uncomfortable...In my opinion, talk of a split in the sspx could nothing more than just that...talk. Sure, there will those that leave and search for other alternatives, but I don't believe it will be anywhere near the number some are suggesting...especially with the threat of 'schismatic' hanging over their heads.... :kick-can:

John Grace · « **Reply #12 on:** May 11, 2012, 10:43:34 AM »

Quote from: Ethelred

Quote from: AJNC
What's the situation in France? It seems that most of the French priests do not want a deal but most of the faithful want it. True?

I hope so but can't judge the French situation. I know the situation of the German zone better which I shortly described here:
Fr. Schmidberger prepares the SSPX Sellout, Sounds more like FSSP now than SSPX

Description from priests attending Fr Schmidberger's German district meeting in Stuttgart in autumn 2011 with approx 50+ priests attending (can't remember the exact number anymore, sorry) :
At the end of Fr Pfluger's hours-long propaganda for a Newrome sellout, the elder former German district superior Fr Franz-Joseph Maeßen stood up and in about four minutes wiped away Fr Pfluger's nonsense with the help of Archbishop Lefebvre's logic. During his short speech most of the attending priests applauded him several times. Fr Pfluger couldn't reply anything. (A little later there was another Waterloo for Bp Fellay and his team at the SSPX superior meeting in Albano.)

So indeed most German priests oppose a sellout to Newrome but don't dare to protest themselves, when there's no leader to lead. Because of his sickness Fr Maeßen can't physically lead anymore.

We've to consider a few points however:
*) For the sellout to Newrome Fr Schmidbeger is on alignment with Bp Fellay and his team (the father thinks he's still superior general, so often there's tensions between Stuttgart and Menzingen).
*) The depressive Fr Schmidberger rules the FRG-German and Austrian-German district with an iron fist instead of a catholic one. His Prussian sabre-rattling is so that most middle aged and younger priests fear the man. If we read Bp Fellay's leaked letter to the three bishops (14 April 2012), we see many similarities again.
*) The SSPX is hierarchical like the Church. In the end those at the top will make the course. As the saying knows: A fish rots from the head down. So we're at Archbishop's favorite topic named catholic obedience versus false obedience... The devil's coup named Vaticanum II succeeded because of the catholics' false obedience. Sadly the same wrong principle seem to happen again now inside the SSPX (despite the Archbishop's pathbreaking work. They broke with him).

When the going gets tough I'm afraid that too many German and other continental European priests will feel obligated to show a false obedience i.e. follow the superior general despite the latter's liberal delusion. So for most continental European districts I'm pessimistic. I hope I am wrong. Also it depends whether the three good bishops remain steadfast and united. I've no doubt that Bishop Williamson will, but I can't judge the other two aside their good joint letter.

Of course the Almighty will have the last word!

Indeed. God will have the last word and I share the view here of Ethelred. I remember after a certain note was read out at an Irish chapel, a cleric attempted to 'muzzle' me via email by saying the 'h0Ɩ0cαųst' is not our fight.It amuses me when I hear Catholics saying it is not our fight.A tragic view to hold. I have no idea if this particular cleric believes the myth and the official 6 million story but now is a time for resistance.

LordPhan · « **Reply #13 on:** May 11, 2012, 10:43:40 AM »

Quote from: bernadette

Quote from: finegan
Do the auxiliary bishops have the courage and energy to undertake the massive task of rebuilding the SSPX from the ground up? Who will pay for new chapel buildings, travel and living expenses, etc.? How many of the faithful will support this effort with their pocketbook and physical labor? I am not optimistic regarding the latter. Most of the parishioners at my SSPX Mass center seem content with a nice liturgy and the social aspects of chapel life. I don't hear anyone discussing the impending agreement and its implications for our parish. It's almost like there's a "don't ask, don't tell" policy among the resident priests and faithful.

This all reminds me a lot of the late 60s and early 70s... :kick-can:

I agree based upon my own experience and ties with the sspx..definitely a 'don't ask don't tell' policy. There existed what could be described as almost a fear in the faithful in questioning or showing discontent for fear of being thrown out or alienated. And among the women particularly, a excessive obedience/fear towards the priests...that goes hand in hand with the 'woman should be seen and not heard' mentality of sspx'ers...women shouldn't be overly educated, they should stick to praying rosaries and novenas, cleaning the church, and if they don't become religious, they should marry and have families...problem is, few of them do! I think I witnessed one marriage in 7 years at my sspx chapel....

Good luck to those who have to start with garage masses again....the other three bishops know this...+Williamson has been content to remain in his position for the last three years, and it isn't so uncomfortable...In my opinion, talk of a split in the sspx could nothing more than just that...talk. Sure, there will those that leave and search for other alternatives, but I don't believe it will be anywhere near the number some are suggesting...especially with the threat of 'schismatic' hanging over their heads.... :kick-can:

Spoken like a modernist. Your observatations are quite telling not in of themselves but in the way you describe them. It clearly shows your worldly and modernist aswell as feminist ideas.

You obviously do not understand the role of women and are filling in the gaps in your head with the brainwashing of the masonic society and tv culture in America.

LordPhan · « **Reply #14 on:** May 11, 2012, 10:45:22 AM »

Quote from: s2srea

Quote from: finegan
Do the auxiliary bishops have the courage and energy to undertake the massive task of rebuilding the SSPX from the ground up? Who will pay for new chapel buildings, travel and living expenses, etc.? How many of the faithful will support this effort with their pocketbook and physical labor?

Well, I would imagine the Archbishop faced similar odds when he first started out, no? He also was not very young. I think this is the part where we do as he did: Truth first, do all you can, and leave it in Gods hands.

Fortunate for us we have the three who are doing what they can, I'm sure. When they make their move, as they seem to be on the side of Truth, I'm sure all they'll want is for us to be ready. We will be!

Yes my friend, perhaps God is allowing this to see which of the soft generation now have the will do what must be done, we have it far easier then those who were at the beginning.