Author Topic: SSPX transfers 2015 (Read 42878 times)

Catholic Samurai · « **Reply #45 on:** June 20, 2015, 02:45:10 AM »

Quote from: Matthew

Quote from: confederate catholic
which is why i have opted for eastern rite churches until the tide finally breaks and it is safe to surface. i don't feel the need to duck the "new prior" and i don't want to duck the crazy "friends of the exorcist"

I never understood the Catholics that go "eastern" as their response to the Crisis in the Church.

There is a famous saying: "To thine own self be true." If you were born in one of those countries with a different Rite, great! There is more than one legitimate, valid Rite in the Catholic Church. There's nothing wrong with the other Rites.

There's also nothing wrong with being Greek. But I, born of German and Irish descendants, cannot lay claim to being Greek no matter what happens to the world, the Church, or the economy. To me, it's simply not an option!

So if you're a white guy born in America, forget about it. You're Roman Rite. You were born and baptized in that Rite, and that is where God placed you. And so you should stay Roman Rite.

At what time in Church history was it normal for a person to change their Rite like people change their underwear? Never before Vatican II and its aftermath. Even "parish shopping" is a modern phenomena. But at least parish shoppers stick to the same Rite!

If you ask me, it's not all that dissimilar to a famous sports figure changing his gender, or an NAACP leader changing her race.

I'll tell you one thing -- it certainly screams "identity crisis" and/or "I'm a teenager" at the very least. Especially when said white guy has some eastern script in his sig line. :)

Talk about "confused" and/or "trying to find himself".

I don't know what's more sensible, your post, or licking a cactus.

JPaul · « **Reply #46 on:** June 20, 2015, 09:01:44 AM »

Quote from: Matthew

Sorry for (what's the opposite of de-railing) this thread, but I have some pertinent information that belongs in this thread, courtesy of "The Recusant".

3. Youngest SSPX Rector? - Fr. Griego in turn is being replaced as rector of
Holy Cross Seminary in Goulbourne, Australia by Fr. Daniel “Resistance to
What?” Themann, the priest who two years ago attempted a defence of Bishop
Fellay which is staggering for its boldness no less than for its dishonesty. One
of the first batch of priests to have undergone the new “le Roux” formation at
Winona, Fr. Themann was ordained a mere six years ago, in 2009. Since he
becomes SSPX seminary rector so young, we feel compelled to ask: is the situation so desperate,
the lack of priestly ‘potential rectors material’ so dire, or is he really such a prodigy,
that his meteoric career rise is really justified? Or is there another story behind this? His
“Resistance to What?” talk contains some very basic mistakes (concerning the nature of the
immutability of truth, for example, or the meaning of the word ‘prudence’) and yet future
generations of aspiring priests will be given over to him to be formed in his image and likeness.
And then there is also the fact that, as rector of a seminary, he will have a seat and a
vote at the next General Chapter in 2018 and at any Extraordinary Chapter before then.

This is the hard truth of the Society today, which is why I say, that it can no longer be a defender of Tradition and the Faith. It now has large enough population of these "NEW" priests that there is no going back save rounding them all up and sending them back to a proper seminary for re-formation.

We are all going to experience the transfer shakeups and woe to those chapels, where a more mature and better formed priests are going to be replaced by these too young and oddly formed ordinands.

They, indoctrinated with the minds that can rationalize doctrinal aberration, through a "prudence" and obedience to a minor cleric. Knowing how he thinks, I would not consider confessing to a Father Themanns unless in dire circuмstance.

Placing your soul in such close proximity to unsound theology, and when it is most vulnerable to be influenced by a poorly formed priest can be deadly.

The SSPX, which was once, a haven for the old and spiritually mature, is now becoming a place for a younger demographic. A more malleable audience which has a more worldly technological character, and who will willingly donate and contribute to have the BMW of Tradition in the driveway of its life.

In short it is good business practice to cultivate and market to this segment.
Profits will be up, and anxiety within the flock will be reduced and managable.
The young will relate to their own, and find things such as "prudential truths" (aka situational morals and ethics), fit quite nicely into modern life.

Now, making such a one a rector over the formation of others spells out clearly enough, what the future holds for the corporation, and its customers.

One might pause to remember what our Lord had said,

"Let them alone: they are blind, and leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both will fall into the pit."

Matthew · « **Reply #47 on:** June 21, 2015, 01:28:39 PM »

Update: according to my source, St. Joseph's in San Antonio will be getting a priest from Arizona.

So it's either:

Fr. Frank Riccomini: Prior and Headmaster

Fr. Daniel Chavarria: Assistant

I'll let you know when I confirm who it is.

confederate catholic · « **Reply #48 on:** June 21, 2015, 08:53:03 PM »

st michaels long island

fr doran out
fr gardner in

i did not change rites, though church permits it west to east not west to east.

my studies were in eastern rites and theology

the tagling pere is from the hymn to Our Lady on Good Friday used by antiochean rites

confederate catholic · « **Reply #49 on:** June 21, 2015, 09:01:55 PM »

Headline News Rome:

underwear changing Popes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The fifteenth centenary of one of the great Eastern doctors, St. John Chrysostom (A.D. 407-1907), was the occasion for a solemn pontifical Mass in the Byzantine rite, which took place at the Vatican on February 12, 1908, under the presidency of Pope Pius X. In his letter promulgating this celebration the Sovereign Pontiff wrote on July 22, 1907: "May the Easterns separated from Us see and understand in what great and profound regard We hold all the rites alike."

Pope Benedict XV asserted in the encyclical, Dei providentis, May 11, 1917: "The Church of Jesus Christ is neither Latin nor Greek nor Slav, but Catholic; accordingly she makes no difference between her children and Greeks, Latins, Slavs and members of all other nations are equal in the eyes of the Apostolic See."

Pope Pius XI, November 12, 1923, in his encyclical Ecclesiam Dei, published on the occasion of the third centenary of St. Josephat, glorious martyr for Catholic unity, says: "Then we shall see all peoples, brought together in this manner, in possession of the same rights, whatever may be their race, language or liturgy. The Roman Church has always scrupulously respected and maintained the various rites, and has at all times insisted on their preservation."

Pope Pius XI, called the Pope of the Orient, in his encyclical Rerum orientalium issued on September 8, 1928, requested Bishops and Religious superiors to give every facility in all colleges and seminaries for the study of Eastern questions, and in particular of Eastern rites. Here are his words:

By turning the minds and hearts of the students towards doctrines and rites not a little profit is to be expected for the Church—profit not only to the advantage of the Orientals but also for the Western clergy themselves. The latter will, in fact, obtain a more adequate knowledge of Catholic theology and of Latin theological disciplines, while conceiving a more ardent love for the true Bride of Christ, whose enchanting comeliness, and unity in the diversity of the various rites, will shine forth more clearly in their eyes.

Pope Pius XII took a keen and abiding interest in the Ruthenian people. On May 21, 1939, at his direction, a solemn Triduum begun in Rome was concluded in the Vatican Basilica with services according to their own rite. This was in celebration of the 950th anniversary of the baptism of St. Vladimir, the great Ruthenian ruler.

Each and every nation of Oriental rite must have its own rightful freedom in all that is bound up with its own history and its own genius and character, saving always the truth and integrity of the doctrine of Jesus Christ. ... They will never be forced to abandon their own legitimate rites or to exchange their own venerable or traditional customs for Latin rites and customs. All these are to be held in equal esteem and honour, for they adorn the common Mother Church with a royal garment of many colors. Indeed this variety of rites and customs, preserving inviolate what is most ancient and most valuable in each, presents no obstacle to a true and genuine unity. Orientalis ecclesiae— April 9,1944.